Protests as Hong Kong marks 20 years since handover

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And Blackie, when Britain turned over HK to the Chinese, they LOST any influences into HK's society and people and how to deal with them. By honoring the treaty, they turned their back on their colony.

So Britain should stand back and do nothing as China reneges on an Anglo-Chinese treaty?

Yeah, alight then.
It's not Britain's business anymore

It is our business when the last part of the British Empire is being treated badly by the country that now rules it, reneging on an Anglo-Chinese treaty.
 

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There are calls for the British Government to offer British citizenship to any people of Hong Kong who want it. See what happens.
 

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So Britain should stand back and do nothing as China reneges on an Anglo-Chinese treaty?
Yeah, alight then.
It is our business when the last part of the British Empire is being treated badly by the country that now rules it, reneging on an Anglo-Chinese treaty.
Gonna send the navy to show 'em who's boss?
 

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The British would quite happily go to war with the Chinese. We're a warrior race, happy to take on anyone.

I'm not too sure about the Americans, though.
 

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So Britain should stand back and do nothing as China reneges on an Anglo-Chinese treaty?

Yeah, alight then.


It is our business when the last part of the British Empire is being treated badly by the country that now rules it, reneging on an Anglo-Chinese treaty.


So what part of the Anglo-Chinese treaty would China be breaking right now, because... Hong Kong is their territory now, not yours.
 

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The British would quite happily go to war with the Chinese. We're a warrior race, happy to take on anyone.

I'm not too sure about the Americans, though.


LOLOL - I'm sure the rest of the British people would NOT be happy to go to war with China.


Why the hell do you always act like you speak for every British person in Britain?
 

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So what part of the Anglo-Chinese treaty would China be breaking right now, because... Hong Kong is their territory now, not yours.

So, because Hong Kong belongs to China, China has every right to break the promise it made when co-signing the handover treaty with Britain to respect Hong Kong freedom of speech and democracy?

Do freedom, democracy and international treaties mean nothing to you?
 

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The British demanded that the Chinese respect the democracy and rights and freedom of speech and wealth that the wonderful British Empire bestowed upon the then blessed Hong Kong people when they hand Hong Kong back to the Chinese in 1997.

The Chinese agreed, and the two countries signed a treaty to honour that agreement.

The Chinese, not renowned for their great human rights record and have a lot to learn when it comes to democracy, have now gone back on that deal - hence why the people of Hong Kong are protesting.

And yet here you are making it out that the British are the bad guys in all this and that it has nothing to do with us!
 

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So, because Hong Kong belongs to China, China has every right to break the promise it made when co-signing the handover treaty with Britain to respect Hong Kong freedom of speech and democracy?

Do freedom, democracy and international treaties mean nothing to you?


They do.


China is a country that needs to be watched, heavily.


The people of Hong Kong deserve to be their own nation, and not under the rule of the Chinese.


Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen because there are some people in Hong Kong that still want to be part of China.

IMO, China has been breaking the 'assurances' it made to Britain from day one, but what, really, can be done about it? Nothing.

Because the British signed over all control to China. Despite what it 'said', the actual 'treaty' doesn't exist anymore.

Hong Kong belongs to China.



All Britain can do now is be a voice among dozens of countries telling China to smarten the hell up and treat people with the dignity and respect they deserve.

Which isn't going to happen.
 

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They do.

China is a country that needs to be watched, heavily.

The people of Hong Kong deserve to be their own nation, and not under the rule of the Chinese.

Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen because there are some people in Hong Kong that still want to be part of China.
IMO, China has been breaking the 'assurances' it made to Britain from day one, but what, really, can be done about it? Nothing.

Because the British signed over all control to China. Despite what it 'said', the actual 'treaty' doesn't exist anymore.

Hong Kong belongs to China.

All Britain can do now is be a voice among dozens of countries telling China to smarten the hell up and treat people with the dignity and respect they deserve.

Which isn't going to happen.

The British didn't merely hand over all control to China. They demanded the Chinese respect their freedom, democracy and wealth and all the other good things that the British Empire bestowed on its peoples. But the Chinese have gone back on their word. Britain would be right to take action.

As for saying "the treaty doesn't exist anymore" - can you explain to me why Britain and China would sign a deal relating to the post-handover life of Hong Kong that becomes null and void once Britain hands Hong Kong back to China?
 
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The Chinese, not renowned for their great human rights record and have a lot to learn when it comes to democracy, have now gone back on that deal - hence why the people of Hong Kong are protesting.


Wrong, see my above post to what they're protesting about.


And yet here you are making it out that the British are the bad guys in all this and that it has nothing to do with us!


It DOESN'T have anything to do with you. It's between Hong Kong and China. Britain is out of the equation.



Do you know why?

Because China, at the FIRST CHANCE IT GOT, null and VOIDED the agreement between China and Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration

For your Government to have thought China would respect it for the full fifty years was stupid on your part.

Hong Kong now belongs to China.

You lost any control over it you thought you had.

China does not CARE about the international opinion, or the record of the agreement at the UN.

As for the British being the 'bad guys', get off your cross, Blackie, someone else needs the wood. I haven't said a damn word about whether Britain is good OR bad in this situation. I just have said you have no say anymore.
 

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The British didn't merely hand over all control to China. They demanded the Chinese respect their freedom, democracy and wealth and all the other good things that the British Empire bestowed on its peoples. But the Chinese have gone back on their word. Britain would be right to take action.


Null and void, according to China


As for saying "the treaty doesn't exist anymore" - can you explain to me why Britain and China would sign a deal relating to the post-handover life of Hong Kong that becomes null and void once Britain hands Hong Kong back to China?


Because they fooled Britain into thinking they gave a shit about appearances and the people of Hong Kong, and sadly Britain thought China was actually getting better at being a decent country, when they should have known it would never change.

Again, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration


If Britain wanted to truly take action, they should have done so in 14 when China stated the agreement was void. Instead, it's waned until now.


Your country was duped, Blackie. Made fools of for believing China.

Now the people of Hong Kong continue to pay for that foolish belief.

Personallly I hope the protests actually do somehow work, that change keeps happening, but there are too many factors now for a good outcome, like China getting their military on the border nearest the island for one. And sadly, there are people in HK who WANT Chinese rule...
 

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LOLOL - I'm sure the rest of the British people would NOT be happy to go to war with China.
Why the hell do you always act like you speak for every British person in Britain?

You mean like you've just done?
 

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It DOESN'T have anything to do with you.

It's got got nothing to do with Britain that the Chinese have broken the pledge they made when they signed the treaty along with Britain?

I would say that it has more to do with Britain than any other country that a bunch of Third World commie dog-munchers are bullying the last remaining member of the British Empire when it promised Britain that it would respect the democracy and freedoms that the British bestowed upon Hong Kong.

It has everything to do with us.

Because China, at the FIRST CHANCE IT GOT, null and VOIDED the agreement between China and Britain.

Oh, well, that's alright then. The Chinese decided to scrap the treaty they signed with the British and the promise they made to the British and Hong Kongians.

What the **** are the British complaining about?

How dare the British get angry that the Chinese have decided not to honour their promise to uphold democracy and free speech in Hong Kong?

Who do those British think they are? A shocking state of affairs!

Anyone with half a brain knows that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the British that the Chinese have reneged on an Anglo-Chinese treaty!
 

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It's got got nothing to do with Britain that the Chinese have broken the pledge they made when they signed the treaty along with Britain?

I would say that it has more to do with Britain than any other country that a bunch of Third World commie dog-munchers are bullying the last remaining member of the British Empire when it promised Britain that it would respect the democracy and freedoms that the British bestowed upon Hong Kong.

It has everything to do with us.


Nope, because you did SFA in 14 when it was declared void by the Chinese.




Oh, well, that's alright then. The Chinese decided to scrap the treaty they signed with the British and the promise they made to the British and Hong Kongians.

What the **** are the British complaining about?


Sadly, true. The British can complain all they want, but China has decided since the agreement was broken, they don't need to listen.



How dare the British get angry that the Chinese have decided not to honour their promise to uphold democracy and free speech in Hong Kong?

Who do those British think they are? A shocking state of affairs!


Where was the anger 5 years ago? Why didn't the British step up and do something big THEN? Why do they have to wait until now?



Anyone with half a brain knows that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the British that the Chinese have reneged on an Anglo-Chinese treaty!


Well DUH! Way to state the obvious.

That's not my point.

My point is BECAUSE of China's negating the agreement in 14, the voice of Britain has no more weight to happenings in Hong Kong than any other nation in the world.

It sucks, it's not right, but that's the reality of the situation.


You being stupid about it and saying Britain would go to war with the Chinese is just typical arrogant ignorance we can expect from you. Meanwhile, people who actually know more about reality than you realize that this entire issue, while it IS bullshit, isn't something the British can really get involved outside of that one voice among many.