Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate countries
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Summer, I wish you would back-up your statements and explain your point of view. What have I failed to see here in Ontario where I've lived for fourty years that you apparently see from all the way in Ohio.
Summer, I wish you would back-up your statements and explain your point of view. What have I failed to see here in Ontario where I've lived for fourty years that you apparently see from all the way in Ohio.
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Simple: that cultural homogeneity is NOT a requirement for being a nation, and that slight cultural differences between provinces is NOT by itself a valid reason for dismantling a nation. ANY nation.
I'm really surprised that you needed that spelled out for you.
iamcanadian said:
Simple: that cultural homogeneity is NOT a requirement for being a nation, and that slight cultural differences between provinces is NOT by itself a valid reason for dismantling a nation. ANY nation.
I'm really surprised that you needed that spelled out for you.
RE: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
I think it is you who should look around. In Ontario people are from someplace first and Canadian second.
It is different here than USA, Quebec or Maritimes.
Very few countries can stay together with distinct cultural differences or do not suffer because of them. What I am saying is that Canada can be stronger identifying these differences and reinforcing them, than trying to have everyone compromise something for the others as we have been doing and suffering from for years.
I think it is you who should look around. In Ontario people are from someplace first and Canadian second.
It is different here than USA, Quebec or Maritimes.
Very few countries can stay together with distinct cultural differences or do not suffer because of them. What I am saying is that Canada can be stronger identifying these differences and reinforcing them, than trying to have everyone compromise something for the others as we have been doing and suffering from for years.
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ROFL! You haven't a clue, have you? Try visiting a major U.S. city sometime. You'll run into TONS of hyphenated "this-American" and "that-American" folks. I've been to Ontario more times than I can count, and I've not run into any more of those people there than I have right here in Cleveland, or in Cincinnati, Detroit, Buffalo, Atlanta, L.A. or anywhere else.iamcanadian said:
Better get busy with the list of large nations that have been forced by cultural differences to disband into a collection of smaller nations, because none are coming readily to mind here.
Disband Canada, and it won't be stronger, because it won't EXIST. Duh......
RE: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
I have lived in Ontario 40 years and have never met anyone who said they are Canadian period. Even fifth generations said they where Irish-Canadians as an example. My friends from Newfoundland will say they are Newfie; Qubecouis, From Outwest, etc., but no one calls themselves Canadians in Ontario at least.
I have been to the USA and most everyone I met said they are American and proudly, even if it was said in broken English.
I have lived in Ontario 40 years and have never met anyone who said they are Canadian period. Even fifth generations said they where Irish-Canadians as an example. My friends from Newfoundland will say they are Newfie; Qubecouis, From Outwest, etc., but no one calls themselves Canadians in Ontario at least.
I have been to the USA and most everyone I met said they are American and proudly, even if it was said in broken English.
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Frankly, I think you're just making stuff up from thin air again. And where's that list of all those big nations that have been forced to break up due to regional cultural variations?
You must move in very limited circles on both sides of the border, then. I have been to Canada repeatedly and have rarely met anyone who doesn't consider themselves Canadian when they are, while on this side of the border I have met innumerable people who consider themselves "something-Americans" even when their families for three generations were born in the U.S. People I know in Ontario say they are Canadian as surely as people in any other province, at least in my experience. Meanwhile, you must have missed the fact that a huge majority of people in the U.S. will walk around saying, "I'm from Ohio/I'm from Michigan/I'm a New Yorker/Californian/ etc."iamcanadian said:
Frankly, I think you're just making stuff up from thin air again. And where's that list of all those big nations that have been forced to break up due to regional cultural variations?
RE: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
to both Summer and IAC:
in my experience, the majority of people from both the US and Canada refer to themselves by their city, province/region, or cultural homeland first, and as a canadian or american second (if at all).
to both Summer and IAC:
in my experience, the majority of people from both the US and Canada refer to themselves by their city, province/region, or cultural homeland first, and as a canadian or american second (if at all).
Re: RE: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate c
Which countries don't have problems from trying to hold divided cultures within their borders?
Most countries don't have major cultural differences within them. They are usually more homogenious than Canada is.
Summer said:
Which countries don't have problems from trying to hold divided cultures within their borders?
Most countries don't have major cultural differences within them. They are usually more homogenious than Canada is.
Re: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
exactimondo.... but ya know.......there is always some asshole(S) malcontents , miscontents, that want to do the shit disturb............as if things aren't dicey as it is. They live in some dream land and have lost any sense of reality or grounding......while pursuing fantasies that make not logical /reational sense. In other nations.....it is this type of malcontents that evolve into gangs, which evolve into terroristm if taken to the extreme. Misery just loves company. :x
the resolution to this is very simple. Ya don;t like it here.....LEAVE.......and don't slam the door behind you. Wanna make trouble.........go where the environment is condusive for same.... or heck ,join an outlaw gang of some kind. (in another nation) ...and let the rest of us try to work with what we have and IMPROVE ON IT.
Maybe these malcontents should spend some time in a less civilized nation.......(like about 2 yrs) and find out what things could REALLY be like.
Jersay said:
exactimondo.... but ya know.......there is always some asshole(S) malcontents , miscontents, that want to do the shit disturb............as if things aren't dicey as it is. They live in some dream land and have lost any sense of reality or grounding......while pursuing fantasies that make not logical /reational sense. In other nations.....it is this type of malcontents that evolve into gangs, which evolve into terroristm if taken to the extreme. Misery just loves company. :x
the resolution to this is very simple. Ya don;t like it here.....LEAVE.......and don't slam the door behind you. Wanna make trouble.........go where the environment is condusive for same.... or heck ,join an outlaw gang of some kind. (in another nation) ...and let the rest of us try to work with what we have and IMPROVE ON IT.
Maybe these malcontents should spend some time in a less civilized nation.......(like about 2 yrs) and find out what things could REALLY be like.
RE: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
IAC, the benefits of scale are immense.
a broader economy means that one sector suffering a recession does not damage the entire economy, for example.
trade is another benefit. canada as a whole has a lot more bargaining power with other countries than any individual province would ever have.
IAC, the benefits of scale are immense.
a broader economy means that one sector suffering a recession does not damage the entire economy, for example.
trade is another benefit. canada as a whole has a lot more bargaining power with other countries than any individual province would ever have.
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Listen IAMCanadian, most ethnic people in Canada and aboriginal and French people and Western people and Maritime people and others do not want independence for their areas. It is only a few areas.
If you say that different cultures can't work together then most European countries will have to disband because of all its cultures. America would break into a million nations.
Your idea is not fesible. It is against multi-culturalism and it is not helpful in this multi-cultural society.
Bringing up the issue of people not thinking they were Canadian, I was in Quebec this past summer on a military exercise and there were black, chinese, Philipean people and French people who were in my squad. As well as everyone from across this great country. And we all considered ourselves Canadians!
Listen IAMCanadian, most ethnic people in Canada and aboriginal and French people and Western people and Maritime people and others do not want independence for their areas. It is only a few areas.
If you say that different cultures can't work together then most European countries will have to disband because of all its cultures. America would break into a million nations.
Your idea is not fesible. It is against multi-culturalism and it is not helpful in this multi-cultural society.
Bringing up the issue of people not thinking they were Canadian, I was in Quebec this past summer on a military exercise and there were black, chinese, Philipean people and French people who were in my squad. As well as everyone from across this great country. And we all considered ourselves Canadians!
Re: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
We all consider ourselves different kinds of Canadians. Each new country can still be called Canadians, much like each European Country is European, but each allowed to preserve what's best about theirs, without everything becoming Ontario.
Canada should not become all like Ontario.
Jersay said:
We all consider ourselves different kinds of Canadians. Each new country can still be called Canadians, much like each European Country is European, but each allowed to preserve what's best about theirs, without everything becoming Ontario.
Canada should not become all like Ontario.
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Um, the European Union is moving in the opisit direction of what you are saying. First of all we can see what European Nationalism, and regionalism has done for Europe too.
Hundred years war, Napoleonic wars, wars of succession, ww1, ww2, cold war, Baltic wars and this is just to name a few. Yeah.
This concept you have isn't even devaulation of power, or de-centrializtion of government. But the end of Canada all together. The EU is a governmnet made up of completely seperate republics which can leave the EU if they chose to. The EU is more like Nafta or the UN then a true nation currently.
iamcanadian said:
Um, the European Union is moving in the opisit direction of what you are saying. First of all we can see what European Nationalism, and regionalism has done for Europe too.
Hundred years war, Napoleonic wars, wars of succession, ww1, ww2, cold war, Baltic wars and this is just to name a few. Yeah.
This concept you have isn't even devaulation of power, or de-centrializtion of government. But the end of Canada all together. The EU is a governmnet made up of completely seperate republics which can leave the EU if they chose to. The EU is more like Nafta or the UN then a true nation currently.
RE: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
That is exactly what Canada needs to stop its current run to putrification.
That is exactly what Canada needs to stop its current run to putrification.
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Bloody wars? I'm not following you
iamcanadian said:
Bloody wars? I'm not following you
Re: Pros and Cons on Splitting up Canada into separate count
ya know...... one is hard pressed to buy into redesigning a big country like Canada just to suit a few people (malcontents??) when all this small group has to do is leave for greener pastures.
why on earth would Canada want to become like Ontario?? Gosh forbid. 8)
iamcanadian said:
ya know...... one is hard pressed to buy into redesigning a big country like Canada just to suit a few people (malcontents??) when all this small group has to do is leave for greener pastures.
why on earth would Canada want to become like Ontario?? Gosh forbid. 8)
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Canada is being "putrified"??? How so?? ( short answer please :wink:
iamcanadian said:
Canada is being "putrified"??? How so?? ( short answer please :wink: