Professor Urges Canadians Not to Recognize Gay ‘Marriage’

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MONTREAL, June 28, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A McGill professor is encouraging Canadians to reject the new same-sex “marriage” legislation.

Douglas Farrow, associate professor of Christian thought at McGill University in Montreal, proposes that Bill C-38 is “illicit legislation, the binding nature of which must be contested.”

The change to the legal definition of marriage assumes a “positivist view” of law – one that “admits few givens, and no firm limits, for political or juridical authority.” The positivist view contrasts with the classical tradition, which, like the preamble to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, links belief in the rule of law to belief in the supremacy of God.

Contrary to popular wisdom, says Farrow, it is the positivist rather than the classical view that has tyrannical tendencies. The new legislation, he claims, extends these tendencies by marginalizing families and faith communities, which are the proper “home” of natural rights and freedoms.

After indicating the threat to natural rights and freedoms posed by the legislation, Farrow offers several practical suggestions for opposing it, including advice for clergy, parents and professionals. He adds that “there is an urgent need for participation in the political and legal processes by which this land is governed.”

Farrow calls for “vigilance against the growing statism that, under the cover of a perverted ‘rights’ discourse, now threatens us with a new and dangerous Leviathan.”

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05062806.html

My question - will this turn out to be a good thing or a bad thing?
I am not anti-gay, nor gay; rather I am wondering what impact it will have on the Canadian people in the future.

Bull Dog
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: Professor Urges Canadians Not to Recognize Gay ‘Marriage

bulldog said:
MONTREAL, June 28, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A McGill professor is encouraging Canadians to reject the new same-sex “marriage” legislation.

Douglas Farrow, associate professor of Christian thought at McGill University in Montreal, proposes that Bill C-38 is “illicit legislation, the binding nature of which must be contested.”

The change to the legal definition of marriage assumes a “positivist view” of law – one that “admits few givens, and no firm limits, for political or juridical authority.” The positivist view contrasts with the classical tradition, which, like the preamble to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, links belief in the rule of law to belief in the supremacy of God.

Contrary to popular wisdom, says Farrow, it is the positivist rather than the classical view that has tyrannical tendencies. The new legislation, he claims, extends these tendencies by marginalizing families and faith communities, which are the proper “home” of natural rights and freedoms.

After indicating the threat to natural rights and freedoms posed by the legislation, Farrow offers several practical suggestions for opposing it, including advice for clergy, parents and professionals. He adds that “there is an urgent need for participation in the political and legal processes by which this land is governed.”

Farrow calls for “vigilance against the growing statism that, under the cover of a perverted ‘rights’ discourse, now threatens us with a new and dangerous Leviathan.”

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/05062806.html

My question - will this turn out to be a good thing or a bad thing?
I am not anti-gay, nor gay; rather I am wondering what impact it will have on the Canadian people in the future.

Bull Dog


ho hum. There is always someone that is resistant to change...no matter what the change is. That is part of the human equation. Some just have a higher RC factor than others ....

Don't think the "impact" will be all that significant except that it will gradually become accepted as the "norm" and people (unless they are prejudiced, biased) will get used to it.

Of all the things society has to be concerned about......this one is a mere ripple. Would rather there was the same debate/discussion about climate change that is affecting people as of now. ---and here the implications are SERIOUS.
 

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Why are these people bitching now anyways. Christ it has been legal in BC, Ont, Que for quite awhile and most other provinces since. So why did they not bitch then? If parliement never passed it the SCOC would of.

These guys are nutjobs. and should crawl back into the woodwork where they belong.

Whats it to him anyways? Does not affect him. To me hetrosexual marriage with the huge divorce rate 50%+, all the unhappy marriages and seperations out there, these quacks should work on fixing that first.

I just hope a ssm couple(s) nails some of those relic pricks with hate crime charges.
 

Ocean Breeze

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no1important said:
Why are these people bitching now anyways. Christ it has been legal in BC, Ont, Que for quite awhile and most other provinces since. So why did they not bitch then? If parliement never passed it the SCOC would of.

These guys are nutjobs. and should crawl back into the woodwork where they belong.

Whats it to him anyways? Does not affect him. To me hetrosexual marriage with the huge divorce rate 50%+, all the unhappy marriages and seperations out there, these quacks should work on fixing that first.

I just hope a ssm couple(s) nails some of those relic pricks with hate crime charges.


absolutely agree. ( but according to "statistics" :wink: : there is an asshole born every minute. :roll:
 

bluealberta

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no1important said:
Why are these people bitching now anyways. Christ it has been legal in BC, Ont, Que for quite awhile and most other provinces since. So why did they not bitch then? If parliement never passed it the SCOC would of.

These guys are nutjobs. and should crawl back into the woodwork where they belong.

Whats it to him anyways? Does not affect him. To me hetrosexual marriage with the huge divorce rate 50%+, all the unhappy marriages and seperations out there, these quacks should work on fixing that first.

I just hope a ssm couple(s) nails some of those relic pricks with hate crime charges.

See, that is the typical radical reaction that really gets anyone on the other side of this issue upset, Quit already with the hate crime stuff about people who disagree with it. Surely this country will not allow dissenting opinions on this and other issues without some ridiculous hate crime crap. Save it for the real hate crimes, not dissenting opinions for crying out loud.
 

bluealberta

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no1important said:
Quit already with the hate crime stuff about people who disagree with it

Why?

They are more than dissenting opinions though, Blue. A hate crime is a hate crime.

So if you shoot me because you don't like my opinions, is that a hate crime? Or if you are a radical member of the gay community and shoot me, is it a hate crime? Equality works both ways. The more we throw around phrases like hate crimes, bigotry, etc. the less they actually mean. Save it for the real crimes driven by hate, but when you think about it, that could mean just about every crime.
 

Vanni Fucci

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bluealberta said:
So if you shoot me because you don't like my opinions, is that a hate crime? Or if you are a radical member of the gay community and shoot me, is it a hate crime? Equality works both ways. The more we throw around phrases like hate crimes, bigotry, etc. the less they actually mean. Save it for the real crimes driven by hate, but when you think about it, that could mean just about every crime.

No...just the ones that would incite hatred toward a minority...and the right wing whack jobs fall squarely into that group...

Defend the traditional definition of marriage, my ass...

Bigotry is no less so for its subtlety...
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Professor Urges Canad

Wasn't it you predicting a backlash against gays and lesbians< Blue? Sure it was. If somebody is attacked because of their sexual preference, that is a hate crime. So is advocating that somebody be harmed for their sexual preference.
 

bluealberta

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Vanni Fucci said:
bluealberta said:
So if you shoot me because you don't like my opinions, is that a hate crime? Or if you are a radical member of the gay community and shoot me, is it a hate crime? Equality works both ways. The more we throw around phrases like hate crimes, bigotry, etc. the less they actually mean. Save it for the real crimes driven by hate, but when you think about it, that could mean just about every crime.

No...just the ones that would incite hatred toward a minority...and the right wing whack jobs fall squarely into that group...

Defend the traditional definition of marriage, my ass...


So you hate right wingers and are bigotted against them. For shame, you inclusive hypocrite.Bigotry is no less so for its subtlety...
 

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Hey bulldog, that lifesite.com site you keep using to post your stuff, is nothing but crap. In fact its well known for its "so called journalism" hehehehhehe...no...that site is so bias...there is only one thing that can describe it...bwhahahhahahahahahha


Catholic Magazine Calls on Archbishop to Refuse Prime Minister ...
Lifesite, Canada (Anti-gay source of news)

"Catholic Insight magazine, a prominent Canadian Catholic magazine, is asking Archbishop Marcel Gervais of Ottawa to deny Prime Minister Paul Martin the status of "faithful parishioner" and to deny him access to Holy Communion. Father Alphonse de Valk, editor of the national magazine, states in his forthcoming July editorial that bishops cannot remain silent about Catholic politicians who publicly favour replacing marriage between man and woman for a union between any two persons."

See the Catholic Insight editorial online: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jun/">http://www.catholicinsight.com

To express concerns to Archbishop Gervais:Most Rev. Marcel A.J. GervaisArchbishop of Ottawa1247, place KilbornOttawa, OntarioK1H 6K9Tel:(613) 738-5025Fax:(613) 738-0130gouellette@ecclesia-ottawa.org

Man can you believe these people 8O 8O And they think they are some kind of example for the rest of us to follow 8O 8O

Pitbull
 

Vanni Fucci

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bluealberta said:
No...just the ones that would incite hatred toward a minority...and the right wing whack jobs fall squarely into that group...

Defend the traditional definition of marriage, my ass...


So you hate right wingers and are bigotted against them. For shame, you inclusive hypocrite.Bigotry is no less so for its subtlety...

Whereas it's true, that right-wingers are a minority in this country, and thankfully always will be, I did not say, nor imply anything that could be construed as hatred...

Do I think they're all bigots? Not necessarily, but you and Harper sure as hell are.
Will I tolerate your bigotry for any reason the spin doctors may dream up? Not a f*cking chance.

Learn to live with that though blue, because you're the worst right-wing whack job I've come across in awhile...and none of your bullshit will go unchallenged...
 

Cosmo

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RE: Professor Urges Canad

Pea ... I checked out that site. It is a religious site, so naturally there's an underlying element of gay hating. Goes to show you ... don't trust everything you read on the net! ;)
 

Jay

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RE: Professor Urges Canadians Not to Recognize Gay ‘Marriage

Naturally....
 

missile

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RE: Professor Urges Canadians Not to Recognize Gay ‘Marriage

Hardly anyone listens to those people anymore..so what if one of their rags has some discrimatory comments in it?
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Professor Urges Canad

They are trying to influence the government and have the official opposition party onside, Missile. Nobody worried too much about the religious right in the US either...until they took over.
 

Jay

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RE: Professor Urges Canadians Not to Recognize Gay ‘Marriage

There are all sorts of groups trying to influence the government and voters.
 

missile

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RE: Professor Urges Canadians Not to Recognize Gay ‘Marriage

I have to agree with that,the Quebec Bloc would be influenced by the Church[curses,foiled again!]
 

Reverend Blair

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Re: Professor Urges Canadians Not to Recognize Gay ‘Marriage

There are all sorts of groups trying to influence the government and voters.

Most special interests aren't threatening people with eternal damnation, Jay.