Private Schools vs. Public Schools

[TenPenny]

That's your choice, if you are concerned about hair styles, go for it.
I'm only in favour of uniforms for students, it's pretty simple, has nothing
to do with hair.

So, you're saying that individuality and fashion are to be avoided, except for anything other than clothes? In other words, you have zero justification for school uniforms, because you've just disclaimed the one justification you gave. Otherwise, you wouldn't stop at clothes, because hair styles is every bit as much a statement of individuality and fashion and even membership in a club/gang/platoon/team as clothes.

 

[Niflmir]

There's (and I said it before) lots of social skills in school other than 'what
one wears'.

Uniforms are not worn with accessories, other than 'perhaps' earings, that are
not big and gaudy. The uniform comes with a dress code, and would take in
students trying to make a 'costume out of them'. As I said before, there are
many many ways of expressing oneself, and making 'what one wears to school'
the utmost important way of doing that is silly, and putting all the students
in the same uniform doesn't take away from the character and personality of
the individual, it just brings the group together, like a team, it's cool.

Students can accept or not accept their own financial situation in whatever
way, the seem to have to do, but it doesn't have to happen in school, in
school they shouldn't have to think about it at all.

Of course, to be honest, I am only really talking about a public school with all this you might be talking about private schools. If a person chooses (or it is chosen for them and they do not rebel) to go to a school with a uniform, they chose to wear the uniform in my opinion. If you are talking about private schools, just disregard my rejection of uniforms.

Sure there are other skills to be learned, but after you kill this one, another one will follow and another one after that, all to the trumpet of "There are other skills they need to learn." One needs to learn the social politics of dress, that is a fact that cannot be ignored.

When I say accessories, think also of things like cell phones, accessories are not necessarily things which are worn. All I am saying is, you cannot hide social classes with a uniform.

I am certainly not saying dress is the utmost of importance, but you, in condoning uniform dress, in subverting freedom of expression for this mode of expression, are certainly saying it is leastmost in importance. All the while you give no good reason why one should subvert this mode of expression. There will be some people who feel the need to express themself with clothing and a uniform certainly takes away from their personality.

 

[JLM]

Whatever. Say that it is acceptable to show cleavage and butt crack in school then. Your statements clearly imply that you do not believe this statement to be true.

What you want to say is that accepting someone's point of view is not the same as agreeing with it. Agreeing with something does make it your point of view. If I say, "Showing cleavage should be banned in schools," and you say, "I agree," then that means you agree that showing cleavage should be banned in school. If I say, "I think that showing cleavage should be banned in schools," and you say, "Okay," then that means nothing. Of course even with acceptance, many people will just assume (due to the context) that you agreed with them.

You just fail at logic, JLM. That or you just do not understand what words mean.

Here are some definitions for you, so you can learn:
agree: to concur in (as an opinion) : admit, concede <agrees that he is right> b: to consent to as a course of action <agreed to sell him the house>
accept: : to endure without protest or reaction <accept poor living conditions>

NO I don't fail at logic. Just go back and read Post #39 that you wrote and then find the quote that you attributed to me. (I'll give you a hint, if it's mine it will be between #1 and #38.)

 

[talloola]

Of course, to be honest, I am only really talking about a public school with all this you might be talking about private schools. If a person chooses (or it is chosen for them and they do not rebel) to go to a school with a uniform, they chose to wear the uniform in my opinion. If you are talking about private schools, just disregard my rejection of uniforms.

Sure there are other skills to be learned, but after you kill this one, another one will follow and another one after that, all to the trumpet of "There are other skills they need to learn." One needs to learn the social politics of dress, that is a fact that cannot be ignored.

When I say accessories, think also of things like cell phones, accessories are not necessarily things which are worn. All I am saying is, you cannot hide social classes with a uniform.

I am certainly not saying dress is the utmost of importance, but you, in condoning uniform dress, in subverting freedom of expression for this mode of expression, are certainly saying it is leastmost in importance. All the while you give no good reason why one should subvert this mode of expression. There will be some people who feel the need to express themself with clothing and a uniform certainly takes away from their personality.

We've exhausted this, we don't agree, and I don't feel like nit picking it, so
I'll agree to disagree with you.

 

[talloola]

So, you're saying that individuality and fashion are to be avoided, except for anything other than clothes? In other words, you have zero justification for school uniforms, because you've just disclaimed the one justification you gave. Otherwise, you wouldn't stop at clothes, because hair styles is every bit as much a statement of individuality and fashion and even membership in a club/gang/platoon/team as clothes.

In a school that has a dress code (uniforms), they don't go into hair styles,
as far as I know. I don't care what they do with their hair. Maybe bald,
would be kind of wierd, but maybe they got it shaved to raise money for
a good cause, so 'whatever'.
Fashion in the schools is whatever the school does. If they have uniforms, then
uniforms are their fashion statement, if not then 'whatever' is worn is the
fashion statement of the individual.
I like uniforms in the school, individual fashion statements can be made all
of the rest of the day when school is out, and before school, with what ever
kind of pajamas are worn, or not.
Only tell me what 'you' say, not what I say, you will read what I say, and it
will be quite clear, and whatever you add to my statements, are your statements.
I didn't say individuality should be avoided, only that I like school uniforms.
You are the one who bought up hair styles, it doesn't concern me, only you.

It would be impossible to introduce any sort of uniform into a public school
system, too much time has gone by since the public school system has had
any power at all, and no one would dare try to get through all the
protesting that would happen.

The private schools still have their rules and respect and enough authority
to demand some sort of law and order, and some of the antics that kids get
away with in public schools would not be tolerated.
I like that.

 

[Ariadne]

How did this become all about "how we look"? Fashion regulations in a school are probably about decency. Teenagers today have all sorts of interesting outfit experiments, from hitching their pants at the top of their thighs and letting their butts hang, to torn fishnets, flared hair, and black lipliner. Sounds like a breeding ground for spiders, not learning.

Dress code regulations exist in both public and private schools. Not all private school regulations include a costume or uniform. Some private schools stipulate that grubby jeans and t-shirts are not allowed. Some public schools stipulate that chains, tattoos, bra straps, underwear as clothing are not allowed.

Everyone's gotta have their standards, eh.

 

[talloola]

How did this become all about "how we look"? Fashion regulations in a school are probably about decency. Teenagers today have all sorts of interesting outfit experiments, from hitching their pants at the top of their thighs and letting their butts hang, to torn fishnets, flared hair, and black lipliner. Sounds like a breeding ground for spiders, not learning.

Dress code regulations exist in both public and private schools. Not all private school regulations include a costume or uniform. Some private schools stipulate that grubby jeans and t-shirts are not allowed. Some public schools stipulate that chains, tattoos, bra straps, underwear as clothing are not allowed.

Everyone's gotta have their standards, eh.

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