" "You are not allowed to dress like that because I don't like to see it," " - You didn't get that from me, Einstein- get some reading tutoring.
Private Schools vs. Public Schools
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You have the short term memory of a pigeon. Let's lay out the continuity for you:
1. talloola expresses that showing ones butt crack in school should not be allowed (as a desirable consequence of uniforms).
2. You approve of doing away with the fashion statements mentioned by talloola.
3. You clarify that you are only talking about butt cracks and point out that your reasons are for its uncouthness/unsavoryness.
4. You deny that you ever indirectly showed support for banning certain fashion statements or that your reasons were for the uncouthness.
The subject is uniforms, 'IN THE SCHOOL', what people want to do
outside of the school is their choice, and I couldn't care less what they wear,
but inside the school, in the school room, is not the place to make your
bodily statements, just wear the uniform, wash it once in awhile, and learn
something.
So, lets not spread this subject around the world, and I'm not criticizing
cleavage, or butts or whatever people do, outside of the school, that is
their choice, and hopefully with some input from their parents.
What about hair? We'll have to set rules on hair lengths and styles, too.
Can't allow anyone to use hair styles to make a statement.
... or colors? How about shoes? Pens? Pencils? Calculators? Notebooks? Locks on lockers? Perhaps ze color of tissues to vipe noses should be uniform, too. Und maybe you zink marching in ze hallss shouldt be the way to get from klass to klass. Und efferyvun eats exaktly the same foodts the exakt same vay in ze kaffeteria. Und so on und so forth.
That's your choice, if you are concerned about hair styles, go for it.
I'm only in favour of uniforms for students, it's pretty simple, has nothing
to do with hair.
Hooo that was fun.
Starting to seem like the 'soup natzi' in seinfeld.:smile:
Don't make a wrong move, or you don't get your soup.;-)
lol Now you're making me think that there really was something funny about the show once in a blue moon.
Geez- you are THICK. I agreed in principle with Talloola that fashion statements were out of place in schools. YES
NO WHERE did I say anything should be banned BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
ANOTHER THING EINSTEIN- I can agree with anyones point of view I want, BUT that doesn't make it my point of view necessarily.
The soup nazi thing was hillarious, someones brilliant idea, and that fellow
did it perfect, and of course the regular cast played it just right.
That money will make a difference in choices of dress is a fact of life that children should not be shielded from at school age. As I said, they need to learn social skills in a real social environment, even emotional skills such as being able to accept their own financial situation. Are you implying that they should not be learning social skills in school? In fact uniforms exacerbate the issue, as then money makes the difference in accessories, which is certainly frivolous enough that only the well off will be able to afford the best of.
I didn't "take [your] statements and spread them to society as a whole." What I said was that their expression through fashion needs to be made inside the class room as opposed to outside of it. This is what I said you don't understand, and you are confirming it by missing the point. Here it is again, for emphasis, "You don't really understand the point some of these people are trying to make if you think that they can do it outside of school."
Uniforms do nothing to stop some student's lack of focus on studies associated with preening their self. I think that liking how a uniform looks is a terrible reason to take away freedom of expression. I do not see what is wrong with showing cleavage (of the breast or buttocks variety) in school other than your discomfort that would endorse uniforms . In fact, I think your discomfort is the perfect reason to allow such state of dress, as per my comments above equating such reasoning with "I do not like what you are saying so I will forbid it."
Freedom of expression is a very fundamental right and you are forwarding some very shallow reasons to take it away.
Whatever. Say that it is acceptable to show cleavage and butt crack in school then. Your statements clearly imply that you do not believe this statement to be true.
What you want to say is that accepting someone's point of view is not the same as agreeing with it. Agreeing with something does make it your point of view. If I say, "Showing cleavage should be banned in schools," and you say, "I agree," then that means you agree that showing cleavage should be banned in school. If I say, "I think that showing cleavage should be banned in schools," and you say, "Okay," then that means nothing. Of course even with acceptance, many people will just assume (due to the context) that you agreed with them.
You just fail at logic, JLM. That or you just do not understand what words mean.
Here are some definitions for you, so you can learn:
agree: to concur in (as an opinion) : admit, concede <agrees that he is right> b: to consent to as a course of action <agreed to sell him the house>
accept: : to endure without protest or reaction <accept poor living conditions>
um hmm, the school has the right to set rules, inmates shouldn't be running
the institution. (boy won't you have quite an answer for that statement) this
is getting to be fun.
Who are ('some of these people'). I am talking about students who are trying to
grow up, and need the guidence of shool and parents, and on many occasions
'my opinion' is that some students don't make very good choices, and need
that guidence.
What you give me are your opinions, not what is necessarily right, and my
opinion differs with yours on many points, so kind of a dead end to keep
throwing it back and forth.
I haven't missed any points, I just haven't agreed with yours, that's just the way
it is.
There's (and I said it before) lots of social skills in school other than 'what
one wears'.
Uniforms are not worn with accessories, other than 'perhaps' earings, that are
not big and gaudy. The uniform comes with a dress code, and would take in
students trying to make a 'costume out of them'. As I said before, there are
many many ways of expressing oneself, and making 'what one wears to school'
the utmost important way of doing that is silly, and putting all the students
in the same uniform doesn't take away from the character and personality of
the individual, it just brings the group together, like a team, it's cool.
Of course uniforms don't make anyone smarter or study harder, I wouldn't think
that has to be explained, it just takes the focus off of each students outfit,
as something to chat about in a negative or positive way.
Students can accept or not accept their own financial situation in whatever
way, the seem to have to do, but it doesn't have to happen in school, in
school they shouldn't have to think about it at all.
OK, I'm off now, have to change into my supper uniform, just an apron, but
definitely makes a statement. (I know how to cook)