Prince Harry and the Lapdancers.

Blackleaf

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From a pro-monarchy New Zealand website -

MONARCHIES ARE GENERALLY BETTER OFF THAN REPUBLICS

An OECD survey has established that monarchies are on average wealthier, and more stable, than republics. Futhermore, the disruption caused by a change from a monarchy to a republic could cause adverse effects on trade, currency values, and overseas investment. The indirect cost to New Zealand of a republic could be enormous.
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Other reasons why the Monarchy is good for New Zealand and everyone else -


MONARCHY NURTURES DEMOCRACY

A constitutional monarchy is not inconsistent with democracy. In fact it was the monarchy that created and sustained our democracy. With Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom we have the most democratic system of government in the world, largely due to the moderating influence of the shared monarchy.


PROTECTS THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST THE ABUSES OF POLITICIANS

The monarchy strengthens the democratic process by denying absolute power to politicians. Although neither the Quenn nor the Governor-General exercises political power, they do have a significant role in the constitution. The strength of their position derives from the power they deny to others, rather than the power they exercise directly. The lesson of most republics is that an executive president would be more likely to be a cause of abuse than a safeguard against abuse by others.


A MILITARY COUP IS MUCH MORE LIKELY IN A REPUBLIC THAN A MONARCHY

A military coup or social revolution is less likely in a monarchy where the military swear allegiance to the Crown, than in a republic where they swear allegiance to either the state or the governing party. There are many instances of military forces or political factions in republics seizing power on the pretence of acting to defend the "Constitution", or the "State", or to protect the "People". No such false claim to legitimacy can ever be raised in New Zealand. The Crown provides the constitutional continuity and authority. This is lacking in most republics.



REPUBLIC IS MORE EXPENSIVE

A republic is likely to be much more expensive to operate than the monarchy. If a president was directly elected by the people the cost could be huge. The costs of advertising alone in the 2004 American elections amounted to a billion dollars. The process of creating a republic would be very costly.


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gopher

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Monarchies preferable to or more prosperous than democracy or republics?

I guess it must be all that plunder that Queen Elizabeth stole from China or the Indian sub-continent. Or perhaps it was King Leopold stealing and killing in Congo. Or Ferdinand and Isabella doing the same in the Americas??

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Zzarchov

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The problem with republics is, romantacism aside..

They have a very, very nasty habit (with majority odds) of becoming dictatorships. Constitutional Monarchies? Not so much. They very fact that no one takes the head of state seriously in a monarchy is its strongest feature.

My point is, when I hear people talk about monarchy and romanticism and the need for a republic, I am reminded of the pot calling the kettle black.

You keep your republican romantacism (anyone can be president! Ya right, anyone COULD be made king too), I'll keep my pragmatism.
 

Zzarchov

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Monarchies preferable to or more prosperous than democracy or republics?

I guess it must be all that plunder that Queen Elizabeth stole from China or the Indian sub-continent. Or perhaps it was King Leopold stealing and killing in Congo. Or Ferdinand and Isabella doing the same in the Americas??

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And what do you think Republics do? Like , Ida know..how about the First republic Rome? How was its rule? Peaceful or full of conquest and looting?

What about the French republics? No..they were all horrid. And lets not forget early 20th century American imperialism in the Phillipenes and Cuba (or its earlier exploits stealing from Natives)

Don't blame human nature on one minor group of people.