Postal workers refuse to deliver 'anti-gay' mail

[northstar]

I agree that the pride parades are offensive.

I remember the first parade was on the news and a man was totally naked and bending over with his butt pressed against the glass window of a second floor fitness club. This is just wrong, when the public has to see it and my children where exposed before l could change the channel.

It is really a disgusting image to send to the public for a group that is demanding to be taken seriously.

The gay parade is something l think is wrong, but only because it has been used to be vulgar and obscene. No Group should be allowed to flagrantly be obscene or exposing themselves to children in such a way, it is basically saying, 'l am gay and l can be as disgusting as l want to.'

rather than what the message that it was supposed to hold as 'l am gay, and l am proud of it, and l am normal and should be able to marry and adopt children.'

 

[ottawabill]

bang on!!!

Years ago i had a gay friend who invited me to and his boyfriend out for a drink. I maybe conservative but I have always been a "for each his own" type of guy..so I went. Ya I was hit on, so what I was a single guy in a bar (now I now what women feel like) but what bothered me was a vhs movie playing on the screen near the bar. It was complete porn (this was not a club this was a public bar) there was rape, masterbation, and bondage. If this was a straight bar they would have been closed down that night...

I couldn't care less if you want to do it with Guys, girls or Donkeys, but their are normal decent rules to our society are there not??

So why is it ok for that stuff to be shown while someone else wants to deliver a message that gay life is wrong

 

[Sassylassie]

The politically correct crowd hate free speech, they want Canada to be controled by government and we will have Nannies to make sure we behave as the Politically Correct expects us to behave. First it's free speech, then it's control of the media. Yep this issue is a slippery slope, if Free Speech is impeded what's next?

 

[Gonzo]

We dont allow anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-black mail. So why do we allow anti gay mail?

 

[CDNBear]

Twice in one day i've had to say this. Free speach. I can not even comprehend the mind that comes up with this swill. But they have the right to print it, and these people are paid by us to deliver it. Nothing more, nothing less. If you don't want to deliver them, no prob Bob, you're fired.

Does the context offend me? On so many levels, but do they have the right to print it and spread it? Yes, thank 'whom ever you want to paste here'. We also have the right to point them out and cast our thoughts about them.

 

[Gonzo]

It's a slippery slop. If you allow it, you have to allow it all. We shouldn't say that it's okay to print anti-gay mail but not anti-anything else. I dont want to get that kind of mail, but i throw it out. No skin off my back. But some people are dumb enough to believe it. Thats why we should have laws against hate mail.
Anyway, if we allow one kind of hate mail, we have to allow it all. It's all or none.

 

[CDNBear]

It's a slippery slop. If you allow it, you have to allow it all. We shouldn't say that it's okay to print anti-gay mail but not anti-anything else. I dont want to get that kind of mail, but i throw it out. No skin off my back. But some people are dumb enough to believe it. Thats why we should have laws against hate mail.
Anyway, if we allow one kind of hate mail, we have to allow it all. It's all or none.

I personally think, it is a slippery slope too. If that means allowing all, so that those that have real insight can spread a positive messege as well, then the trade off is well worth it.

You are very right, some people will swallow it. I prefer to have a more positive image of my fellow man, and hope all that recieve it will ignore it, and those that believe it are to damn lazy to do anything about it or with it.

Hey, it still bugs me, that when some guy gets hired to research the holocoust for a Jewish group, comes back with "The numbers were inflated", all of a sudden he's an anti semite? Then he is chastised into oblivion. Now that's censorship at its very best.

It's not a level playing field, and that's not right.

 

[Hotshot]

I believe anti-gay mail is hate mail. Would everyone be okay if they were to deliver anit-jewish mail? Of course not, because it's hate mail. I'm not gay, but I don’t want anti-anything delivered to me.

It would help to know exactly what the material was...

 

[Tonington]

Free speach is a great gift we have. Other people in the world would be so lucky. But, I don't think you have the right to use your free speach to send your opinion out to an anonymous bunch of people unsolicited. You want to voice your opinion, start a newsletter or something. It's too bad we couldn't have spam filters for regular postage mail.

 

[CDNBear]

Free speach is a great gift we have. Other people in the world would be so lucky. But, I don't think you have the right to use your free speach to send your opinion out to an anonymous bunch of people unsolicited. You want to voice your opinion, start a newsletter or something. It's too bad we couldn't have spam filters for regular postage mail.

I find some of the lit passed around to be absolutely dispicable. It is so beneath contempt, it hardly ranks a first glance, let alone a second thought. I also do not believe that when the ideals of free speach were created, that they were created to ensure the spreading of hatred. But if we stifle the haters, do we not fall in to the trap.

Free speach should be about promoting positive change, against governments, groups and organizations, but oops, isn' t that what they're doing?

It's a tough tough question, is there a perfect answer?

 

[LittleRunningGag]

What are you saying Coldpee, that you think hate mongers should have liberties that allow them to discriminate???

Yes. Bigoted, hateful, pricks should have every right to spread their disgusting beliefs around. That is what freedom is all about. It doesn't mean that you have the freedom to force everyone else to live by your value set. It means that you can say and do what you want, so long as you are not interfering with my attempt to live my life the way I'd like.

If that means you get offended sometimes, that's what it means. Too bad. Grow up and stop looking to an authority to solve your problems for you. People, working together, can work out way more than we give ourselves credit for.

Seriously, next time you feel the need to tell on someone, try approaching them and sorting things out one on one. You have to step outside your comfort zone a little, but it feels so much better to work together towards a solution instead of crying foul to mommy and daddy authority all the time.

 

[sanctus]

Good for the Postal Workers.

I think it is disgusting that Canadian Post has accepted the job.

Again this is one of these issues that require clearer laws that spell out that hate mail will not be tolerate.
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I think you are missing an important point here. Does Canada Post wish to set itself up as a censorship board? Does freedom of speech and expression mean that we must apply ourselves to standards set by our postal service? Their job is to deliver the mail, not to determine what is and is not appropriate to deliver. I believe it sets a dangerous precedent if allowed to continue.

 

[sanctus]

The politically correct crowd hate free speech, they want Canada to be controled by government and we will have Nannies to make sure we behave as the Politically Correct expects us to behave. First it's free speech, then it's control of the media. Yep this issue is a slippery slope, if Free Speech is impeded what's next?

I agree. The so-called enlightened people who live by the almighty PC rules detest freedom. they wish to have everyone speak as they insist we must speak, think as they would have us think and behave as they would have us behave. If you disagree, they foist names at you, homophobe, hate crimes,etc.etc.

The bottom line here, in my opinion, is back to what is the job of Canada Post? To distribute mail. I repeat that it sets a dangerous precendent if our postal service is allowed to act as censor over what material they will or will not deliver.

 

[northstar]

As I said earlier, several posters obviously can't read, I agree with the Canadian Post not censoring, and with the workers not censoring, and with those people who recieve it and don't like it to do something about it ie. complain to MP, write to the paper, send it back to the sender, back a gay rights activist association so they can fight it.

The apologists who insist on making these issues personal are reflecting that they have nothing to contribute, how about just stating your opinion and have some self-confidence in what you believe in?

And Col-pee you have this pattern of insulting people and then not answering questions or contributing, showing a deep-set insecurity. Why don't you gather confidence about what you think and state it clearly without resorting to the childish nonsense of rudeness? You might have something worth saying, and you might be listened to.

I have been influenced by the input of these threads, and l suggest you keep your mind open and without being afraid to state your inital take on a situation, you might learn and also teach others....

 

[CDNBear]

As I said earlier, several posters obviously can't read, I agree with the Canadian Post not censoring, and with the workers not censoring, and with those people who recieve it and don't like it to do something about it ie. complain to MP, write to the paper, send it back to the sender, back a gay rights activist association so they can fight it.

The apologists who insist on making these issues personal are reflecting that they have nothing to contribute, how about just stating your opinion and have some self-confidence in what you believe in?

And Col-pee you have this pattern of insulting people and then not answering questions or contributing, showing a deep-set insecurity. Why don't you gather confidence about what you think and state it clearly without resorting to the childish nonsense of rudeness? You might have something worth saying, and you might be listened to.

I have been influenced by the input of these threads, and l suggest you keep your mind open and without being afraid to state your inital take on a situation, you might learn and also teach others....

What do you expect the out come of complaining to your MP, to be. A ban on the printing and distribution of said material?

If so, that is censorship and it does not matter where it starts. It's where it ends that scares me.

 

[northstar]

Bear, facing what we are facing in the World War Three-dom of today, this really isn't terribly important to me, but freedom of speech is.

When we give up our right to act on what we believe in we cease to engage in the shape of our country.

There comes a time, when we each have to decide what kind of country we want to live in.

This is a small example, but if people feel strongly about it then they need to dust off there butts, get off of the couch and DO SOMETHING.

Country's like ours are worth being involved in, not just taking, taking, taking. I always encourage people to step-up and answer...

That is my point.

 

[sanctus]

If so, that is censorship and it does not matter where it starts. It's where it ends that scares me.

Me too/ The very idea of any government group of Ministry, be it Canada Post or whatever, dictating what is and is not acceptable for the general population scares the hell out of me. How Orwellian is this sort of situation!

 

[CDNBear]

Me too/ The very idea of any government group of Ministry, be it Canada Post or whatever, dictating what is and is not acceptable for the general population scares the hell out of me. How Orwellian is this sort of situation!

That was the name that was on the tip of my tongue. Thanx.

It is so true, the only truth, justice or thought would have to be filtered by the ministry of freedom or truth, if we let this practice infect government.

 

[CDNBear]

Bear, facing what we are facing in the World War Three-dom of today, this really isn't terribly important to me, but freedom of speech is.

When we give up our right to act on what we believe in we cease to engage in the shape of our country.

There comes a time, when we each have to decide what kind of country we want to live in.

This is a small example, but if people feel strongly about it then they need to dust off there butts, get off of the couch and DO SOMETHING.

Country's like ours are worth being involved in, not just taking, taking, taking. I always encourage people to step-up and answer...

That is my point.

Then the best course of action is to counter the hate or bigotry, with ample information and formulative rebuttles. Not the stifling of their rights.

As ignorant as this group is, they have every right to print and peddle it. We in turn have every right to counter attack it and expose the hate and bigotry for what it is, ignorance and intolerance.

 

[wallyj]

If the pride parade offends you,don't watch it.If the junk mail offends you,throw it away. I have not seen the flyer in question but I doubt it is actually hate mail.Most likely it is only offensive to the oh so tolerant gay activists who do not want anyone to interfere with thier agenda.BLOODY HYPOCRITES.