Post-Seconday Education

[tibear]

RB,

Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.

So this program doesn't prevent people from moving but there is a penalty.

 

[tibear]

RB,

Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.

So this program doesn't prevent people from moving but there is a penalty.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Post-Seconday Educati

We already, even though our present system is subsidized, have students graduating with massive debt loads that keep them from fully participating in the economy for years after they graduate.

In the cases of lower-paid professions they may not get out from under the debt-load for decades. In the meantime they cannot build savings for retirement etc. That leads to a staff shortage in lower paid professions yet we don't want to pay people more.

An educated population is to Canada's benefit. The first degree should be free.

We already, even though our present system is subsidized, have students graduating with massive debt loads that keep them from fully participating in the economy for years after they graduate.

I have big debt loads too. Feel like writing me a cheque so I may fully participate in the economy? If students don't like debt, there's always the move out of your parents home, get a job and pay taxes scenario.....

In the cases of lower-paid professions they may not get out from under the debt-load for decades. In the meantime they cannot build savings for retirement etc.

Once again they could simply choose a different way of life if they don't like to pay for the alternative. In the mean time they would rather tax me to death so I cannot build for my retirement, (maybe even retire early) or maybe instead of funding their winy ass’s education I could take those tax dollars and put it towards my children’s private education. But the radical left doesn't actually believe my hard earned dollars are mine, or in other terms, the labour I sell is mine, or in better term, I am mine to sell my labour.

Its funny students never reflect on the future, only the present. They never say" I will have a 30 to 40 thousand dollar debt, and that will get a job that pays me that in one year, how lucky can I be"? That would be considerate, and that would be thanking the ppl who pay their way through life, and that would be beneath them. I don't hear thanks, I hear “I need more, I need more; nothing is ever good enough."

An educated population is to Canada's benefit. The first degree should be free

I agree an educated Canada is a better Canada, but feeding students socialism only makes for winy students who expect a free ride through this life as they are taught by our socialist systems, and of coarse our socialists.


For that matter, food and housing are more important. All food should be free and my house should be free too.

But that won't work, as we would all be eating goulash and living in town (crappie) houses.

Also free food and housing aren’t big political motivators, because then the radical left can't attach their strings to it and shove their agendas down our throats as they can in a university setting.

My wife is a teacher. I work for a company that sells computers to a University (mostly). I cannot think of a place where there are more wasted funds then in the educational system in Ontario, and now they want more money……

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/02/07/rae-education050207.html

Go figure....they send a well known socialist to fix the system, and it’s a broken socialist system, and the best he can do.....throw more money at it.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Post-Seconday Educati

We already, even though our present system is subsidized, have students graduating with massive debt loads that keep them from fully participating in the economy for years after they graduate.

In the cases of lower-paid professions they may not get out from under the debt-load for decades. In the meantime they cannot build savings for retirement etc. That leads to a staff shortage in lower paid professions yet we don't want to pay people more.

An educated population is to Canada's benefit. The first degree should be free.

We already, even though our present system is subsidized, have students graduating with massive debt loads that keep them from fully participating in the economy for years after they graduate.

I have big debt loads too. Feel like writing me a cheque so I may fully participate in the economy? If students don't like debt, there's always the move out of your parents home, get a job and pay taxes scenario.....

In the cases of lower-paid professions they may not get out from under the debt-load for decades. In the meantime they cannot build savings for retirement etc.

Once again they could simply choose a different way of life if they don't like to pay for the alternative. In the mean time they would rather tax me to death so I cannot build for my retirement, (maybe even retire early) or maybe instead of funding their winy ass’s education I could take those tax dollars and put it towards my children’s private education. But the radical left doesn't actually believe my hard earned dollars are mine, or in other terms, the labour I sell is mine, or in better term, I am mine to sell my labour.

Its funny students never reflect on the future, only the present. They never say" I will have a 30 to 40 thousand dollar debt, and that will get a job that pays me that in one year, how lucky can I be"? That would be considerate, and that would be thanking the ppl who pay their way through life, and that would be beneath them. I don't hear thanks, I hear “I need more, I need more; nothing is ever good enough."

An educated population is to Canada's benefit. The first degree should be free

I agree an educated Canada is a better Canada, but feeding students socialism only makes for winy students who expect a free ride through this life as they are taught by our socialist systems, and of coarse our socialists.


For that matter, food and housing are more important. All food should be free and my house should be free too.

But that won't work, as we would all be eating goulash and living in town (crappie) houses.

Also free food and housing aren’t big political motivators, because then the radical left can't attach their strings to it and shove their agendas down our throats as they can in a university setting.

My wife is a teacher. I work for a company that sells computers to a University (mostly). I cannot think of a place where there are more wasted funds then in the educational system in Ontario, and now they want more money……

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/02/07/rae-education050207.html

Go figure....they send a well known socialist to fix the system, and it’s a broken socialist system, and the best he can do.....throw more money at it.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Post-Seconday Educati

We already, even though our present system is subsidized, have students graduating with massive debt loads that keep them from fully participating in the economy for years after they graduate.

In the cases of lower-paid professions they may not get out from under the debt-load for decades. In the meantime they cannot build savings for retirement etc. That leads to a staff shortage in lower paid professions yet we don't want to pay people more.

An educated population is to Canada's benefit. The first degree should be free.

We already, even though our present system is subsidized, have students graduating with massive debt loads that keep them from fully participating in the economy for years after they graduate.

I have big debt loads too. Feel like writing me a cheque so I may fully participate in the economy? If students don't like debt, there's always the move out of your parents home, get a job and pay taxes scenario.....

In the cases of lower-paid professions they may not get out from under the debt-load for decades. In the meantime they cannot build savings for retirement etc.

Once again they could simply choose a different way of life if they don't like to pay for the alternative. In the mean time they would rather tax me to death so I cannot build for my retirement, (maybe even retire early) or maybe instead of funding their winy ass’s education I could take those tax dollars and put it towards my children’s private education. But the radical left doesn't actually believe my hard earned dollars are mine, or in other terms, the labour I sell is mine, or in better term, I am mine to sell my labour.

Its funny students never reflect on the future, only the present. They never say" I will have a 30 to 40 thousand dollar debt, and that will get a job that pays me that in one year, how lucky can I be"? That would be considerate, and that would be thanking the ppl who pay their way through life, and that would be beneath them. I don't hear thanks, I hear “I need more, I need more; nothing is ever good enough."

An educated population is to Canada's benefit. The first degree should be free

I agree an educated Canada is a better Canada, but feeding students socialism only makes for winy students who expect a free ride through this life as they are taught by our socialist systems, and of coarse our socialists.


For that matter, food and housing are more important. All food should be free and my house should be free too.

But that won't work, as we would all be eating goulash and living in town (crappie) houses.

Also free food and housing aren’t big political motivators, because then the radical left can't attach their strings to it and shove their agendas down our throats as they can in a university setting.

My wife is a teacher. I work for a company that sells computers to a University (mostly). I cannot think of a place where there are more wasted funds then in the educational system in Ontario, and now they want more money……

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/02/07/rae-education050207.html

Go figure....they send a well known socialist to fix the system, and it’s a broken socialist system, and the best he can do.....throw more money at it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.

I think it's important that when I open up a national newpaper or magazine, or turn on the national news, that I am hearing voices from all across the country. Our media is too Toronto-centric as it is. The same could be said for many other fields.

I have big debt loads too. Feel like writing me a cheque so I may fully participate in the economy?

There is a difference between your self-imposed consumer debt and debt incurred getting an education.

If students don't like debt, there's always the move out of your parents home, get a job and pay taxes scenario.....

Then they don't get an education.

Once again they could simply choose a different way of life if they don't like to pay for the alternative.

So we don't need teachers, child care workers, social workers, and so on? Sure we do.

In the mean time they would rather tax me to death so I cannot build for my retirement, (maybe even retire early) or maybe instead of funding their winy ass’s education I could take those tax dollars and put it towards my children’s private education.

Ah personal greed instead of responsibility for the overall society.

But the radical left doesn't actually believe my hard earned dollars are mine, or in other terms, the labour I sell is mine, or in better term, I am mine to sell my labour.

The radical right is always talking about responsibility but refuse to take any on.

I agree an educated Canada is a better Canada, but feeding students socialism only makes for winy students who expect a free ride through this life as they are taught by our socialist systems, and of coarse our socialists.

Giving people the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing so many of the problems the radical right complains about constantly. Instead of supplying the tools, they try to take them away though.

Go figure....they send a well known socialist to fix the system, and it’s a broken socialist system, and the best he can do.....throw more money at it.

Should they have sent Mike Harris' former Minister of Education? You know, the guy who never even finished high school and chopped everything having to do with people actually learning. He created a lot of the mess that Rae is trying to address, after all. Maybe he should be forced to clean up after himself. Of course that would entail a member of the radical right actually taking responsibility for his actions. We know that's not going to happen.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.

I think it's important that when I open up a national newpaper or magazine, or turn on the national news, that I am hearing voices from all across the country. Our media is too Toronto-centric as it is. The same could be said for many other fields.

I have big debt loads too. Feel like writing me a cheque so I may fully participate in the economy?

There is a difference between your self-imposed consumer debt and debt incurred getting an education.

If students don't like debt, there's always the move out of your parents home, get a job and pay taxes scenario.....

Then they don't get an education.

Once again they could simply choose a different way of life if they don't like to pay for the alternative.

So we don't need teachers, child care workers, social workers, and so on? Sure we do.

In the mean time they would rather tax me to death so I cannot build for my retirement, (maybe even retire early) or maybe instead of funding their winy ass’s education I could take those tax dollars and put it towards my children’s private education.

Ah personal greed instead of responsibility for the overall society.

But the radical left doesn't actually believe my hard earned dollars are mine, or in other terms, the labour I sell is mine, or in better term, I am mine to sell my labour.

The radical right is always talking about responsibility but refuse to take any on.

I agree an educated Canada is a better Canada, but feeding students socialism only makes for winy students who expect a free ride through this life as they are taught by our socialist systems, and of coarse our socialists.

Giving people the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing so many of the problems the radical right complains about constantly. Instead of supplying the tools, they try to take them away though.

Go figure....they send a well known socialist to fix the system, and it’s a broken socialist system, and the best he can do.....throw more money at it.

Should they have sent Mike Harris' former Minister of Education? You know, the guy who never even finished high school and chopped everything having to do with people actually learning. He created a lot of the mess that Rae is trying to address, after all. Maybe he should be forced to clean up after himself. Of course that would entail a member of the radical right actually taking responsibility for his actions. We know that's not going to happen.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.

I think it's important that when I open up a national newpaper or magazine, or turn on the national news, that I am hearing voices from all across the country. Our media is too Toronto-centric as it is. The same could be said for many other fields.

I have big debt loads too. Feel like writing me a cheque so I may fully participate in the economy?

There is a difference between your self-imposed consumer debt and debt incurred getting an education.

If students don't like debt, there's always the move out of your parents home, get a job and pay taxes scenario.....

Then they don't get an education.

Once again they could simply choose a different way of life if they don't like to pay for the alternative.

So we don't need teachers, child care workers, social workers, and so on? Sure we do.

In the mean time they would rather tax me to death so I cannot build for my retirement, (maybe even retire early) or maybe instead of funding their winy ass’s education I could take those tax dollars and put it towards my children’s private education.

Ah personal greed instead of responsibility for the overall society.

But the radical left doesn't actually believe my hard earned dollars are mine, or in other terms, the labour I sell is mine, or in better term, I am mine to sell my labour.

The radical right is always talking about responsibility but refuse to take any on.

I agree an educated Canada is a better Canada, but feeding students socialism only makes for winy students who expect a free ride through this life as they are taught by our socialist systems, and of coarse our socialists.

Giving people the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing so many of the problems the radical right complains about constantly. Instead of supplying the tools, they try to take them away though.

Go figure....they send a well known socialist to fix the system, and it’s a broken socialist system, and the best he can do.....throw more money at it.

Should they have sent Mike Harris' former Minister of Education? You know, the guy who never even finished high school and chopped everything having to do with people actually learning. He created a lot of the mess that Rae is trying to address, after all. Maybe he should be forced to clean up after himself. Of course that would entail a member of the radical right actually taking responsibility for his actions. We know that's not going to happen.

 

[tibear]

Quote:
Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.



I think it's important that when I open up a national newpaper or magazine, or turn on the national news, that I am hearing voices from all across the country. Our media is too Toronto-centric as it is. The same could be said for many other fields.

The problem is not where the writers are from but rather where the media is centred.

As stated earlier, people would be free to move as they want. However with some penalties.

Perhaps the rules could change in that Canadians would be free to move to other provinces but pay part of their income tax back to their "home" province for a set period of time. However, if they move out of the country they would be required to pay full cost of university.

 

[tibear]

Quote:
Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.



I think it's important that when I open up a national newpaper or magazine, or turn on the national news, that I am hearing voices from all across the country. Our media is too Toronto-centric as it is. The same could be said for many other fields.

The problem is not where the writers are from but rather where the media is centred.

As stated earlier, people would be free to move as they want. However with some penalties.

Perhaps the rules could change in that Canadians would be free to move to other provinces but pay part of their income tax back to their "home" province for a set period of time. However, if they move out of the country they would be required to pay full cost of university.

 

[tibear]

Quote:
Then those people would have a choice, either go to university in a province where there were jobs in their desired fields, get a degree where there is a good possibility of getting employment after graduation in their university province OR they could move out of province and pay the full cost of their education.



I think it's important that when I open up a national newpaper or magazine, or turn on the national news, that I am hearing voices from all across the country. Our media is too Toronto-centric as it is. The same could be said for many other fields.

The problem is not where the writers are from but rather where the media is centred.

As stated earlier, people would be free to move as they want. However with some penalties.

Perhaps the rules could change in that Canadians would be free to move to other provinces but pay part of their income tax back to their "home" province for a set period of time. However, if they move out of the country they would be required to pay full cost of university.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The problem is not where the writers are from but rather where the media is centred.

Journalists are just one example though, tibear. The Canadian media is centred in Toronto because that's where the people are. The same can be said of business, manufacturing, etc.

It isn't that I don't like your idea, I just think it needs to take more things into account. I know a guy who is studying archaeology at the U of W for instance. He'd love to stay in Manitoba when he graduates, but he'll likely have to move to another province. He will come back though and even if he's working in BC or Ontario he will spread knowledge about what he knows of archaeological finds in Manitoba.

There's value for the province in that.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The problem is not where the writers are from but rather where the media is centred.

Journalists are just one example though, tibear. The Canadian media is centred in Toronto because that's where the people are. The same can be said of business, manufacturing, etc.

It isn't that I don't like your idea, I just think it needs to take more things into account. I know a guy who is studying archaeology at the U of W for instance. He'd love to stay in Manitoba when he graduates, but he'll likely have to move to another province. He will come back though and even if he's working in BC or Ontario he will spread knowledge about what he knows of archaeological finds in Manitoba.

There's value for the province in that.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The problem is not where the writers are from but rather where the media is centred.

Journalists are just one example though, tibear. The Canadian media is centred in Toronto because that's where the people are. The same can be said of business, manufacturing, etc.

It isn't that I don't like your idea, I just think it needs to take more things into account. I know a guy who is studying archaeology at the U of W for instance. He'd love to stay in Manitoba when he graduates, but he'll likely have to move to another province. He will come back though and even if he's working in BC or Ontario he will spread knowledge about what he knows of archaeological finds in Manitoba.

There's value for the province in that.

 

[Jay]

RB says: "There is a difference between your self-imposed consumer debt and debt incurred getting an education."

Both are choices ppl make both are self imposed. It’s simple.

RB says: "Then they don't get an education."

They can get an education, they can just stop wining about it while they do it, and pay for it themselves to boot.

RB says: "So we don't need teachers, child care workers, social workers, and so on? Sure we do."

Of coarse we need these ppl, and I doubt under any system they would just disappear. We just don't need to have the system the way it is.

RB says: "Ah personal greed instead of responsibility for the overall society."

This is my favorite line from socialists. They have no problem taxing the death out of me, but if I complain they call me greedy. How about the socialist is the greedy one because they slobber all over my wallet and fleece me dry, and in reality it is theft. So I'm not the greedy one for not wanting to be taxed to death, the socialist is the greedy one for stealing my money. It is a sad time we live in when the radical left has convinced everyone that paying over 55% of your income to taxes (if your in a low tax bracket) is OK, and if you complain about it your greedy. I don't fall for it. Soon ppl like me will be considered insane because we just don't understand the cause of the common good. Sound familiar? Think Germany.

"The radical right is always talking about responsibility but refuse to take any on.”

You may be right here, but I'm willing to take on responsibility. I expect I will have to. Sort of like saying “in a democracy we all have to be politicians."

RB says: "Giving people the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing so many of the problems the radical right complains about constantly. Instead of supplying the tools, they try to take them away though."

I suppose you really mean “stealing away from ppl the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing the problems we radical left types have with freedom and self determination."

"Should they have sent Mike Harris' former Minister of Education?"

No they should send in an auditor. The waste in the Ed system in Ontario is beyond belief.

 

[Jay]

RB says: "There is a difference between your self-imposed consumer debt and debt incurred getting an education."

Both are choices ppl make both are self imposed. It’s simple.

RB says: "Then they don't get an education."

They can get an education, they can just stop wining about it while they do it, and pay for it themselves to boot.

RB says: "So we don't need teachers, child care workers, social workers, and so on? Sure we do."

Of coarse we need these ppl, and I doubt under any system they would just disappear. We just don't need to have the system the way it is.

RB says: "Ah personal greed instead of responsibility for the overall society."

This is my favorite line from socialists. They have no problem taxing the death out of me, but if I complain they call me greedy. How about the socialist is the greedy one because they slobber all over my wallet and fleece me dry, and in reality it is theft. So I'm not the greedy one for not wanting to be taxed to death, the socialist is the greedy one for stealing my money. It is a sad time we live in when the radical left has convinced everyone that paying over 55% of your income to taxes (if your in a low tax bracket) is OK, and if you complain about it your greedy. I don't fall for it. Soon ppl like me will be considered insane because we just don't understand the cause of the common good. Sound familiar? Think Germany.

"The radical right is always talking about responsibility but refuse to take any on.”

You may be right here, but I'm willing to take on responsibility. I expect I will have to. Sort of like saying “in a democracy we all have to be politicians."

RB says: "Giving people the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing so many of the problems the radical right complains about constantly. Instead of supplying the tools, they try to take them away though."

I suppose you really mean “stealing away from ppl the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing the problems we radical left types have with freedom and self determination."

"Should they have sent Mike Harris' former Minister of Education?"

No they should send in an auditor. The waste in the Ed system in Ontario is beyond belief.

 

[Jay]

RB says: "There is a difference between your self-imposed consumer debt and debt incurred getting an education."

Both are choices ppl make both are self imposed. It’s simple.

RB says: "Then they don't get an education."

They can get an education, they can just stop wining about it while they do it, and pay for it themselves to boot.

RB says: "So we don't need teachers, child care workers, social workers, and so on? Sure we do."

Of coarse we need these ppl, and I doubt under any system they would just disappear. We just don't need to have the system the way it is.

RB says: "Ah personal greed instead of responsibility for the overall society."

This is my favorite line from socialists. They have no problem taxing the death out of me, but if I complain they call me greedy. How about the socialist is the greedy one because they slobber all over my wallet and fleece me dry, and in reality it is theft. So I'm not the greedy one for not wanting to be taxed to death, the socialist is the greedy one for stealing my money. It is a sad time we live in when the radical left has convinced everyone that paying over 55% of your income to taxes (if your in a low tax bracket) is OK, and if you complain about it your greedy. I don't fall for it. Soon ppl like me will be considered insane because we just don't understand the cause of the common good. Sound familiar? Think Germany.

"The radical right is always talking about responsibility but refuse to take any on.”

You may be right here, but I'm willing to take on responsibility. I expect I will have to. Sort of like saying “in a democracy we all have to be politicians."

RB says: "Giving people the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing so many of the problems the radical right complains about constantly. Instead of supplying the tools, they try to take them away though."

I suppose you really mean “stealing away from ppl the tools they need to succeed in life would go so far to curing the problems we radical left types have with freedom and self determination."

"Should they have sent Mike Harris' former Minister of Education?"

No they should send in an auditor. The waste in the Ed system in Ontario is beyond belief.

 

[tibear]

RB,

I'm certainly open to modifications but I'm sure you aware of the number of university grads in medicine, nursing and others that immediately leave the province upon graduation. I feel strongly that we need to do something to try to keep these young people here and help repay this province for the education that we all have paid for them.

 

[tibear]

RB,

I'm certainly open to modifications but I'm sure you aware of the number of university grads in medicine, nursing and others that immediately leave the province upon graduation. I feel strongly that we need to do something to try to keep these young people here and help repay this province for the education that we all have paid for them.

 

[tibear]

RB,

I'm certainly open to modifications but I'm sure you aware of the number of university grads in medicine, nursing and others that immediately leave the province upon graduation. I feel strongly that we need to do something to try to keep these young people here and help repay this province for the education that we all have paid for them.