Pope kicks "progressives" in the teeth.

Blackleaf

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As a non-Catholic, the Pope doesn't speak for me.

I listen to the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Monarch.
 

Spade

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I don't know, Walter; he sounds progressive to me.

From Eric Lyman's National Catholic Reporter's article on Mafia threats agains Francis; quote-

"'For many years, the Mafia has laundered money and made investments with the complicity of the church,' Gratteri said. 'But now the pope is dismantling the poles of economic power in the Vatican, and that is dangerous.'

"Gratteri said the pope's efforts to confront corruption and to modernize the scandal-scarred Vatican bank have attracted the mob's ire. The Vatican bank, which is going through reforms as part of a wider set of changes at the Institute for the Works of Religion, recently published its first report and has closed accounts and made its books more transparent. In addition, the Vatican bank published its first report on money laundering -- a major mob activity -- in May."

As a non-Catholic, the Pope doesn't speak for me.

I listen to the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Monarch.

You listen to the Queen and her successors (aka, Prince Chuck et al.) for moral and religious guidance?
 

petros

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"'For many years, the Mafia has laundered money and made investments with the
complicity of the church,' Gratteri said. 'But now the pope is dismantling the
poles of economic power in the Vatican, and that is dangerous.'
Back off Frankie.

What the Knights of Columbus does with their bingo earnings is the business of the KofC not the Pope.

The Vatican bank is making a killing from PAyPAL.

Keep buying your Chinese made Christmas gifts off eBay please.
 

coldstream

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I've mentioned before that those hoping for a massive reconciliation between the Church and modern and post-modern culture.. including affirmation and legitimization of homosexuality.. acceptance of secular norms on contraception, abortion, divorce, extra marital sex.. admission of married or female priests.. are going to be soundly disappointed. Francis' theogical principles are orthodox and consistent with his last two predecessors. The difference is in priorities and style.. not in substance.
 

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1,000,000,000 is still a big number.

Thats how many Catholics are on the books. How many of them actually pay attention or care about what the Pope says? Most of the 'Catholics' I know are more or less lapsed, only go to church on holidays or practice on the surface but not follow the churches or the Pope's words at all. Come to think of it I dont personally know any Catholics who care. My grandmother might have but she's still pissed about Vatican II.
 

karrie

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I don't know, Walter; he sounds progressive to me.


The way I read his statement, is that its not a blanket statement about moving forward, it's about moving forward in a childish manner.


Not to beat dead horse, but, gay rights would be a perfect example.


Homosexuals should have rights. They should speak about their sexual orientation, and advocate for their family unit, and demand equality in the eyes of government. Where you cross the line from progressive into adolescent, is when you don your fetish gear and flounce down the street, shoving your sexual activity, rather than your sexual orientation, in people's faces. The church, and most conservative minded people, will never tolerate the adolescent level of lashing out at the status quo through shocking behaviour. And they shouldn't, in my opinion. I'm sure I could drag up a plethora of such examples where the idea may have merit, but the extents it's taken to, make it flawed by its execution.