Pope Francis gets irritating

[Curious Cdn]

I am someone who left the church a long time ago with no real place to go.
We had a long line of hard line orthodox Popes who preached all was fine
even as many of he flock were leaving faster than new folks were coming
in. The world has changed and education has proved the infallible stuff is
nonsense. The world is round not flat, the earth revolves around the sun
not the other way around. These were simple things many more more
serious flaws are available.
I think this Pope is a breath of fresh air and we need not have an old line
guy from the nineteenth century in charge of the Vatican. No the Cardinals
got it right and progress can be gained by going out into the world and
actually connecting with others. The church much change or lose it
relevance period

Go Anglican. You can still be a Catholic (+-) without having a Pope.

 

[Machjo]

If I understand correctly, Catholics believe the Pope's words to be infallible only when he pronounces the ex cathedra.

My question though: how do we know when he says it's ex cathedra that it's not the fallible pope saying it.

The great outflow of parishioners from the Church happened after, not before, Vatican II and especially with the imposition of the vapid vernacular mass (Novus Ordo) in place of the majestic Tridentine Latin Mass (along with the other sacraments).

There was certainly a great secularization of all Western culture in that period which contributed to the decline, but the attempts to capitulate and conform to something quite alien to its mission (in Western secular humanism) has not served the RCC well.. and it has not worked.

If I understood correctly, the Church had no choice but to turn from the Latin to the vernacular to stop the bleeding to the Protestant Churches and other religions.

Go Anglican. You can still be a Catholic (+-) without having a Pope.

If I were to profess the Christian Faith and attend English mass, I would have gone Quaker. I think they too use the King James Bible, the Church of England's greatest gift to the English-speaking world.

 

[damngrumpy]

I have come to realize religions are all just labels for the same message with
a personal vent by who is delivering the message or there is no message
just a collection plate. The reason I like this Pope is he deals with real issues
and he doesn't just repeat the same old dogma as the reason for saying a
rehearsed message that is two thousand years old.
If Jesus if was around would have updated some things as well. I don't think
he would come to town saying slaves obey your masters now do you?

 

[Curious Cdn]

If I understand correctly, Catholics believe the Pope's words to be infallible only when he pronounces the ex cathedra.

My question though: how do we know when he says it's ex cathedra that it's not the fallible pope saying it.



If I understood correctly, the Church had no choice but to turn from the Latin to the vernacular to stop the bleeding to the Protestant Churches and other religions.



If I were to profess the Christian Faith and attend English mass, I would have gone Quaker. I think they too use the King James Bible, the Church of England's greatest gift to the English-speaking world.

My Great Aunt was a very activist Quaker. She got into a bit of controversy with just about everyone when she raised a pile of money for a hospital in Hanoi at the night of the Vietnam war. Whether you agreed with her or not, she was a true believer and a force to be reckoned with.

 

[coldstream]

If I understand correctly, Catholics believe the Pope's words to be infallible only when he pronounces the ex cathedra.

My question though: how do we know when he says it's ex cathedra that it's not the fallible pope saying it.



If I understood correctly, the Church had no choice but to turn from the Latin to the vernacular to stop the bleeding to the Protestant Churches and other religions.

The Pope is only infallible when he speaks Ex Cathedra (from the Chair). It is generally only used to settle arcane debates on doctrine, that have gone on for centuries. I believe the last time it was used was to promulgate the Dogma of the Assumption of Mary by Pius XII in the early 50s.

The device of Infallibility is relatively new, put in by Pius IX in the middle 1800s to promulgate the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception.. and many orthodox Catholic view it as a misappropriation of the prerogative of Councils of the Church to establish important new doctrine.

And Latin in the Universal Language of the RCC. It is embedded in the traditions and liturgy of the Church, and quite frankly it is far more dignified, reverent and beautiful than the vernacular. There were other changes to the focus and structure of the Mass that were surreptitiously slipped into the Novus Ordo, that radically changed the experience of the Mass.

Many, myself included, described this as a Protestantization of the liturgy. I'm not sure going back to the traditional will call back people who are deliberately moving to other denominations or belief systems. But i think it could bring back people who are bored to tears by the new Mass and have simply stopped going to church.

 

[personal touch]

for what ever reason i have found this to be true on many occassions,this being the Vatican,Pope,Church is always quite late, that being tardy on addressing events of the world,
strange but true,years behind.