Pope asks: have we Christians become too silent?
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LOL now THATS coming from a christin fundie!!! You make me smile
thank you for making my point Love.
Noone on these boards should question anyone's rights or reasons for posting an opinion.
Any "title" on these boards is inviting any poster, and a christian thread is no different.
Intelligent people are interested in many subjects and issues, and I invite "all" to take part.
I am a "non believer", but I am a true believer in enjoying everyone's input, and I have great
respect for "what makes" others tick, it is fascinating and informative.
And also helps each of us, I think, to refine and understand where we are on the same issues.
Though one point Mary makes is somewhat accurate, if Christian themed articles "bother" you, one wonders why you would read them?
Yeah. People complain about my farts. I tell em to quit breathing.
Heh heh heh. Like the non-smokers who whine if a cigarette is lit. My inclination is to invite them to go somewhere else.
So in one breath you tell taloola she's right and its good to hear others opinions. In the next you say go elswhere if you dont like what I say. I call that two faced.....simple. Did you read my posts at all about why I end up in a few of your 100's of threads?
It's one thing to engage in dialogue, it's quite another to run in and attack.I did not say go elsewhere if you do not like what I write.I wrote that if these sort of posts do not interest you at all, why bother to post in them or read them for that matter? If you dislike posts of a Christian flavour, don't read them. And out of the threads, or articles, I put out here, most of them are not under Christian Discussions.
Where else would I give an opposite opinion to being a "believer" but on a religious forum. That is
a strange thing for you to say, as you seem "game" for opposing opinions. And, lets make this very
clear, I am not bothered, I like to give my opposing view, thought that was one of the points of
an open discussion. Maybe the "bothered" should be slung back over the net to the believers, as I
see it rubs many of you the wong way that there is actually many many people who "don't believe",
and that is healthy and expected.
These arent christian theyre catholic........YOUR Friar whatever, Its NOT a christian flavor I have a distaste for its your out right hatred I have a distaste for.
I like christco threads because eventually you are rewarded with reformation and rift, invariably it leads to bloodshed where god sanctions both sides and the blood runs in the land, and that's what god really wants in the end, your soul faster he gets it the happier he is.:wave:
Can the Church have effective dialogue if the matter contradicts Scripture or our Tradition? That is where I see the issue, the Church sure as heck is not going to contradict its doctrines to appease people.
So many! How about this one, the doctrine the male priesthood. Obviously, as the former Pope stated, we cannot change this to suit society.
The ordination of women is an issue.
From NewAdvent.org /Woman, an excerpt of the Church's stance on it. Complete explaination at the site, the links are to various topics at the site itself.
.....priestess, deaconess, but they were so denominated because their husbands had been called to the ministry of the altar. There was, it is true, an order of deaconesses, but these women were never members of the sacred hierarchy nor considered such. St. Paul (1 Corinthians 14:34) declares: "Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. But if they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church". The Apostle also says that in the church "ought the woman to have a covering over head, because of the angels" (1 Corinthians 11:10). It is not allowed to women, however learned and holy, to teach in monasteries (cap. Mulier, 20 de consec.). Ministering at the altar, even in a subordinate capacity, is likewise forbidden. A decree says: "It is prohibited to any woman to presume to approach the altar or minister to the priest" (cap. Inhibendum, 1 de cohab.); for if a woman should keep silence in church, much more should she abstain from the ministry of the altar, conclude the canonists.
III. Although women are not capable of receiving the power of sacred orders, yet they are capable of some power of jurisdiction. If a female, therefore, succeeds to some office or dignity..........
Catechism:
1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination." The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.
1542 At the ordination of priests, the Church prays: Lord, holy Father, . . .
when you had appointed high priests to rule your people,
you chose other men next to them in rank and dignity
to be with them and to help them in their task. . . . you extended the spirit of Moses to seventy wise men. . . .
You shared among the sons of Aaron
the fullness of their father's power.
From: Catholic-forum.com, various lively discussions from links found in my search "ordination of women" that you may find interesting.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/forums/search.php?searchid=521466
AndyF
That was in Corinth where Greek pagan temples had been dominated by priestesses. Now look at the Book of Romans and you will see an entire roster of female ministers and church leaders.
Women were still allowed to preach with the proviso that when she 'prophesies' she must keep her head covered as per I Corinthians 11:5.
Women were still allowed to preach with the proviso that when she 'prophesies' she must keep her head covered as per I Corinthians 11:5.