Poll: Undecided will go Liberal

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http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2005/12/04/1376187-cp.html

Uncommitted voters outside Quebec, who could determine the outcome of the close-fought federal election, were more likely to ultimately support the Liberals than the Conservatives, a new poll suggests.

The Decima Research online voter-tracking study found uncommitted voters in English Canada were less preoccupied than average with scandal and less likely to want change - all of which augurs well for Prime Minister Paul Martin's party.

Decima is conducting a separate survey of undecided voters in Quebec, the results of which are not yet available.

The results, made exclusively available to The Canadian Press, suggest Conservative Leader Stephen Harper "has a very tricky line to walk" if he is to win over uncommitted voters in English Canada, said Decima CEO Bruce Anderson.

With only two weeks to go to the Jan. 23 vote, the Conservatives have opened up a narrow lead over the Liberals, according to most surveys. However, opinion polls ordinarily report only the party preferences of decided voters. That includes those who are leaning toward, but not firmly committed to, one of the parties.

To sharpen the focus on the uncommitted voters who will likely determine the outcome of the election, Decima broke out the truly undecided and leaning voters from a survey of 4,804 voters outside Quebec, conducted Dec. 29-31.

From that larger survey, which has a margin of error of 1.4 percentage points 19 times out of 20, Decima found 20 per cent were committed to voting Liberal, 20 per cent for the Conservatives and 10 per cent for the New Democratic Party.

It found 47 per cent were uncommitted, including 14.2 per cent who were truly undecided and another 32.4 per cent who said they may yet change their vote, although they were leaning to one of the parties.

In analyzing that 47 per cent, Decima, which is working with Carleton University's School of Journalism and Communications, found two distinct groups: 12 per cent who were torn between the Conservatives and Liberals and 14 per cent who were torn between the Liberals and the NDP.

"They are actively considering both options and they will probably be the groups that most determine the outcome," Anderson said.

The margin of error for the two groups is 4.3 percentage points for the Conservative-Liberal segment and 3.9 percentage points for the Liberal-NDP segment.

Both groups share a below-average preoccupation with the sponsorship scandal, a weaker desire for change and the conviction that the eight-week campaign didn't really start until the new year.

The latter point could prove damaging for Harper, who unveiled most of his party's major platform planks prior to the Christmas holidays. Martin has saved his major announcements for the new year, although so far they have been overshadowed by renewed focus on alleged government ethical lapses.

Anderson cautioned that both groups are volatile and that their views are more prone to change than average as the campaign progresses.

Nevertheless, the study provides an interesting snapshot of the two crucial groups as the parties headed into the new year.

Those torn between the Liberals and NDP were more likely to be female, aged 35-54 and members of a visible minority. They tended to think the Liberals were the best choice to govern and that Martin was the best choice for prime minister. However, they also tended to think the NDP had the best approach to issues they care about most.

At the time of the survey, they were leaning 52 to 36 per cent toward the Liberals.

They were three times more likely to be motivated by fear of a Conservative government than a desire for change. Fully 86 per cent agreed there were good reasons to keep the Liberals in government despite the sponsorship scandal and 78 per cent (30 points above average) said their vote would turn on social issues.

By contrast, only 13 per cent said their vote would hinge on economic issues (11 points below average) and nine per cent on issues of integrity (18 points below average).

As for the specific issues that would be critical in determining their final choice, voters in this group were more likely to say health care, the environment, Harper's personality, same-sex marriage, national unity and a desire to avoid a right-wing government.

Voters torn between the Liberals and Conservatives tended to be female, under 35 or over 55 years of age, and more likely to be on the right of the political spectrum. At the time of the survey, they were leaning equally towards the two parties.

Nevertheless, this group tended to think the Liberals were best to govern and Martin the best choice for prime minister. However, the Conservatives had a slight edge as the party thought to have the best approach on the issues these voters care about most (48 per cent for the Tories versus 42 per cent for the Liberals).

Still, 60 per cent agreed there were good reasons for keeping the Liberals in office despite the sponsorship scandal.

The economy was the primary motivating factor for this group. Thirty-eight per cent said economic issues would drive their vote (15 points above average). By contrast, 35 per cent cited social issues (13 points below average) and 26 per cent cited integrity (one point below average).

Harper is attempting to capitalize on the mood for change in the general populace.

But Anderson said the analysis of uncommitted voters suggests he has to be careful not to advocate anything that is deemed too radical a change on the economic front, for fear of alienating those torn between the Liberals and Conservatives, or on the social front, for fear of alienating those torn between the Liberals and NDP.

"If he appears to be advocating too radical a change agenda, he's going to make them anxious."

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I think not

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Conservatives surge ahead of Liberals in new poll

 

Triple_R

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I think not - That poll is very interesting. I think that the debates will be the key. If Harper matchs/out-debates Martin, the Conservatives will almost certainly win the federal election. Otherwise, this momentum may fade away.
 

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Just Remember no matter what the pop vote is. FPTP can make alot of surprises. If the CPC get 37% it could bring them even a magority, or not. Totally depends on the luck of the ridings

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If you ask me this election is an election against the liberals not for the conservatives.
 

FiveParadox

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FPTP Volatility

As Finder quite well said, the basis of our electoral system, First-Past-the-Post, can produce some strange results; no party in Canada can count their chickens before they've hatched.

If the Liberal Party of Canada managed 38 % in every riding, by way of example, the Conservatives pick up 37 % in every riding, and the New Democratic Party 20 %, then all 308 seats in the House go to the Liberals. See? Strange things are possible.
 

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The Tory breakthrough in Quebec is huge, I saw one poll saying that they were only 2 percent behind the Liberals. I think this is a sign, that things could be turning in the Conservatives favor. I also say a poll saying that for the first time the Torys were ahead of the Liberals in Ontario. This is a huge blow to the Liberals, as even Quebec is willing to give the Conservatives a look and Ontario is slowly turning for the better. I believe it all comes down to the debate tomorrow night, and if the Torys "win" or even slightly come out ahead of the Liberals in the debate, we will see a fresh new government in Ottawa on the 24th.
 

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I think the quebec numbers are a show by the federalists that they are pissed off at the Liberals. But when they vote they will vote liberal. Besides, the conservative party hasn't had a strong history in quebec since ww1 because of conscription.

I don't see the CPC picking up too many seats.

For some reason I see the CPC in the east, pretty much repeating the PC loses in there election. they had a high pop vote but it didn't translate into seats.

If the CPC makes it past actually win's more then a handful of seats in Quebec it will be there wildist dreams ever. Besides the Bloc will soon throw some punches at the CPC and there polls will drop again. Remember the bloc hasn't attacked the CPC hard yet. Also the NDP may also switch tactics and focus on harper too.

Like the Liberals when attacked on three fronts can haper survive? I don't see him keeping this lead.
 

Hank C

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I think the quebec numbers are a show by the federalists that they are pissed off at the Liberals. But when they vote they will vote liberal.

....what do you base this on...that when they vote they will vote liberal?

For some reason I see the CPC in the east, pretty much repeating the PC loses in there election. they had a high pop vote but it didn't translate into seats.

..again what do you base this on?

If the CPC makes it past actually win's more then a handful of seats in Quebec it will be there wildist dreams ever.

..yea I dont think they will win too many seats in Quebec either....2 to 6 is a number I heard thrown around on the news.

Besides the Bloc will soon throw some punches at the CPC and there polls will drop again. Remember the bloc hasn't attacked the CPC hard yet.

I dont think they will....what do they have to attack the Tories with? I would be willing to bet that the Bloc will be spending their negative energy on the Liberals.

Also the NDP may also switch tactics and focus on harper too.

..if he does than he will probably see a rush of NDP voters to the Liberals to keep the Tories out......and thus once again the NDP will be squeezed out..........Layton will probably have a few more attacks for Harper....but I think he too will be saving the worst for the Liberals.
 

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Re: RE: Poll: Undecided will go Liberal

Triple_R said:
I think not - That poll is very interesting. I think that the debates will be the key. If Harper matchs/out-debates Martin, the Conservatives will almost certainly win the federal election. Otherwise, this momentum may fade away.

It is interesting since the Globe & Mail took part in it, so I guess you can say it wasn't entirely bias. I'm a bit excited this side of the border. It's fun to watch elections from afar. :D
 

Triple_R

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Finder said:
Just Remember no matter what the pop vote is. FPTP can make alot of surprises. If the CPC get 37% it could bring them even a magority, or not. Totally depends on the luck of the ridings

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If you ask me this election is an election against the liberals not for the conservatives.

I agree with all of that. I'd love to see some riding polls, but haven't managed to locate any. :(

I heard somewhere that there are 3 seats in Quebec where the Conservatives feel they have a real shot. I think that they'll take at least two of them, but they won't get any serious breakthrough in Quebec.

The thing is, though, the Conservatives have to now be on Duceppe's radar screen. I don't think him and Harper are going to be playing nicey-nicey with one another any more. I expect the French debate, in particular, to be very heated, with a three-way war of words between Martin/Duceppe/Harper. It'll be interesting to see what Layton chooses to do given that likely scenario.

In any event, if Duceppe and Harper go at it during the debates, that helps Harper even if he loses the fight, because it makes him seem less cosy with Duceppe.