Political Correctness?

Kreskin

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Corporations are also at the will of their legal departments re how things are worded - to avoid future litigation of claims they make which may be unrealistic....

It's a big old lottery out there....lawsuits against companies, the government, the police... etc.

You bet. Compliance departments are growing at light speed.
 

Curiosity

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Kreskin

I was just thinking about all the new pharmaceuticals being advertised on television where they are by law required to publish the side effects....I wonder if anyone actually goes ahead and tries all these wonderful new things guaranteed to cure warts, but the side effects may disable you for life....you will die wartless!
 

Kreskin

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Also, ever company has a diversity program, training people how to be politically correct with different groups. I don't see it as bad. But the push is really from the corporate sector out, and it's primarily to protect market share. If those groups didn't like it they wouldn't be spending their hard earned money with those companies.
 

Curiosity

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My problem with political or any other kind of "correctness" - is that unless it comes from good manners, genuine caring and honesty .... what's the point?

Nobody likes to be conned and if someone is saying all the right things and thinking all the wrong things...
wouldn't you rather hear their truth so you can either adjust or not?

How can we know who are our real friends and who is voicing canned Muzak?
 

Kreskin

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Curio. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it does seem PC is often perceived as a "leftist" concoction when in it is more accurately a capitalist corporate outcome.
 

RomSpaceKnight

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Sometimes and some places "Merry Christmas" is exclusionary. I am pagan and truly believe that the Christ Mass is a usurping of the old winter solstice Yule celebrations. In metro T.O. WASPs are a minority. What gives us the right to impose our views on others? Just because we are more numerous we are right? Does someone of non-christian beliefs have the right to raise their children in their own beliefs? What of their child who is bombarded with Christ Mass advertisements and feels left out at school by all the other kids waiting on Saint Nicklaus. Can you imagine a small child crying because he/she is left out of others games? I can and find the image very saddening. Is it so wrong to celebrate the mid-winter season as one of family values and world peace without bringing in religion? PC means to be non-exclusionary and open to the differences in us all without imposing our own views on others.
 

Curiosity

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Good point - I have never thought of PC as someone's wet dream - I have thought of PC as replacing honesty in our society - being polite when one does not feel it.

I guess sometimes one has to say something appropriate however, but I don't want to fall linto a habit
of mouthing expressions when I don't mean them or because some new societal ethic dictates it....

Generally when I say Good Morning, or How Are You?, I mean it and really want to hear an answer good or bad.... if I don't have that gut feeling I smile or nod and say nothing....

I think there are good intentions behind PC but it has gone way beyond sincere which is a crack in our direct communications with people.

Then of course there are those who are going to find fault with anything one says or does.... but I mentally flip a bird and move on... leave them to their crankiness. Life does not spin on their axis.
 

ottawabill

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Curio. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it does seem PC is often perceived as a "leftist" concoction when in it is more accurately a capitalist corporate outcome.

I think you have it upside down..I agree that it has become a corporate protection tool but it started with Agnostic Leftists demanding that any form of religion be striped from society...however it was mainly Christianity that they were concerned with since it was the bastion of White Europeans...

First came removing prayer from school, then Christian symbols from Government, and if it didn't happen a suit would follow. Corporations got concerned then followed by dropping "Christmas" Followed soon after by new suits of non-responsibility.... "The play structure caused my injury".."How did I know the coffee was hot"

Now we live in a society that is not so much politically correct as it is afraid to say or do anything.... and they say we should stop Bullying....We've created a whole culture around it!!!

Oh yeah...and Merry Christmas to you and yours.....Unless you celebrate Seasonal Festivis :)
 

Kreskin

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Did you hear the news abour Pfizer yesterday? They cancelled their cholesterol drug trial because of an "imbalance of mortality". This is commonly known as "too many people dying".
 

thecdn

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Also, ever company has a diversity program, training people how to be politically correct with different groups. I don't see it as bad. But the push is really from the corporate sector out, and it's primarily to protect market share.

It's an exercise in cover your ass. I was a SHARP (Sexual Harassment and Racism Prevention) instructor in the military and had to take almost a full day to cover what could be summed up with, "Use common sense and know your audience."

I always said I know I can't change attitudes, just inform people of what is acceptable/not acceptable. By mandating that everyone take such courses, when someone screws up, the organization can say, "See, we had the training, it's not our fault!!", and therefore avoid any legal repercussions.
 

CDNBear

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Who else believes like I do. You cannot go through life without offending someone at somepoint. It is not possible. Anyone who disagrees with me has just offended me.:munky2:
You are very right, so beit. I'm an asshole, proctologists offend me. So does that old Pollock joke. I'm fat to, so all fat jokes offend me. I'm Native so the fact that it takes a room full of Squaws, to come up with a full set of teeth offends me.

NOT
Life is life, look at yourself in the mirror. We all have our faliblities, get over it. Humour is humour, truth is truth and once we all take some form of self accountablity, we all might be able to get past this PC BS ASAP.
 

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Curio. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it does seem PC is often perceived as a "leftist" concoction when in it is more accurately a capitalist corporate outcome.

PC is a leftist concoction by leaps and bounds. It's the left that uses buzz words like tolerance, bigotry, homophobia, multiculturalism at a drop of the hat. And you don't have to go far, read a few posts around here.
 

MikeyDB

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I think Not

Those things that you mentioned..tolerance, bigotry, homophobia, multiculturalism, don't really exist. Why anyone would mention these mythic qualities characteristics and perspectives is open for debate of course....

I agree it would be much simpler to not name and not mention any of these dynamics and then they'd all just go away.... er...wait now if they don't exist....
 

Dalreg

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It's an exercise in cover your ass. I was a SHARP (Sexual Harassment and Racism Prevention) instructor in the military and had to take almost a full day to cover what could be summed up with, "Use common sense and know your audience."

I always said I know I can't change attitudes, just inform people of what is acceptable/not acceptable. By mandating that everyone take such courses, when someone screws up, the organization can say, "See, we had the training, it's not our fault!!", and therefore avoid any legal repercussions.

That is a very sad day when you have to spend a day talking about good old common sense.

I have come to the point when I really don't give a dam personally anymore about anyone else other than myself. I use my common sense and if I don't see a big problem with it and the other person doesn't have a problem with it then all is good.. If someone two doors down over heres something and has a problem with it, then but out it isn't directed at them so they have no reason to be involved.

That is the problem today everyone loves to stick their nose into other peoples business.
 

Sassylassie

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PC correctness in the work place can be a scary thing, my little sister works for the Feds and she goes to conventions with titles such as "Diversity in the work force" great idea their gov but 20 white women sitting in a posh convention hall isn't exactly diversity in the work force is it. I love this one: Sensitivity Training again 20 women in a posh convention room discussing this issue. Only the tinyest of minds can really believe this nonsense is good for society, does a male or female really need Sexual Harrassment training? NO, common sense should be enough. I once had a contractor pinch my bum, I wrapped the garbage can around his head. He didn't do it again, not sure if his vision ever cleared up thou and I dealt with the issue like an adult sort of.
 

CDNBear

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It's an exercise in cover your ass. I was a SHARP (Sexual Harassment and Racism Prevention) instructor in the military and had to take almost a full day to cover what could be summed up with, "Use common sense and know your audience."

I always said I know I can't change attitudes, just inform people of what is acceptable/not acceptable. By mandating that everyone take such courses, when someone screws up, the organization can say, "See, we had the training, it's not our fault!!", and therefore avoid any legal repercussions.
You people bored me to sleep, lol.

But some of it sunk in, go figure.

Might I add, my experiences with women in the Army, some were worse then the guys. Gotta love those lasses in BDU's, hard core, hard as nails.
 

ottawabill

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Sexual Harrassment training???

I didn't know you required a course before you harrassed someone??

Yes, half this crap is for the white men and women to feel good..pat themselves on the back for being so sensitive, while drinking wine at the Chateau Laurier then pass by a poor black man on the street and say..gee what a pitty