Philosophically speaking, religion is a hoax

[westmanguy]

Is sancut fighting the good fight? I know marygaspe is a Christian.. See I know that lieexper, is an atheist. Can some knowledgable person, make a little list of regular members here and their belief affiliations. This would make it easier for me when reading posts..

 

[marygaspe]

Is sancut fighting the good fight? I know marygaspe is a Christian.. See I know that lieexper, is an atheist. Can some knowledgable person, make a little list of regular members here and their belief affiliations. This would make it easier for me when reading posts..

Is he fighting the good fight? I would hope so, he's a priest

 

[westmanguy]

Your ignoring my points! And your trying to convert people to atheism on this thread, so I am defending Christianity, and will try to convert others, since you are trying to do the same.

I have a feeling this thread is going to be moved to the Wreck Beach. Would you like to make a thread their lieexper and continue our chat, with no bars held. If you make the thread, I will come in and respond, and not censor myself.

A priest, wow, I would really like his opinions, as he probably is a lot more grounded and calm. See, I admit, I am VERY PASSIONATE, and get VERY EMOTIONAL on this subject, so for that I usually am not the greatest defender of Christianity.

I get to wrapped up in it, and get very involved.

 

[marygaspe]

Is sancut fighting the good fight? I know marygaspe is a Christian.. See I know that lieexper, is an atheist. Can some knowledgable person, make a little list of regular members here and their belief affiliations. This would make it easier for me when reading posts..

I'm Roman Catholic

 

[westmanguy]

Ok, I am Christian, and believe all believers of the Bible go to Heaven.. I don't go into denominations.. that gets tricky. And I would hope Catholics and other denominations, believe that other denominations and believers in the Bible go to Heaven too.

 

[lieexpsr]

I very much doubt you've caused Sanctus to "cop-out" or avoid arguing with you.That's your own arrogance. If you were a clever as you believe yourself to be, you'd realize today is Sunday. That being so,Sanctus is usually not on-line most of Sunday for obvious reasons. I am very confidant he'll tackle your silly arguments when he comes online;-)

I'm sure you have much faith in your sanctus. That mainly being because you trust him with an ability to argue the issues which clearly you have chosen not to do on your own. I suspect that is because yo don't have the equal knowledge and capabiities which sanctus has. However mary, your attempts at proving me wrong in that respect would delight me. I would however mary, respectfully suggest that a discussion of this sort is not the appropriate one for you to take part in at this time. And I also respectfully submit that I feel great compassion for you and towards you.

 

[Alexander]

In case there is anyone who wants to talk about it. I offer the following as my proof. All 15 hours of it to provide a basis of an understanding of my position to all those who believe in celestial teapots, flying spaghetti monsters, God, Santa Claus, and other assorted sky fairies. Religious people are welcome here too on my new thread. In fact they are challenged to present something to prove that there is anything of substance which causes them to hold to their silly faiths. Those such as myself who believe in absolutely sound and reasonable scientific explantions have no ned to censor others. Nothing you say will be objected to in an attempt to stop you from expressing yourself. Anything objectionable will be entirely the business of the moderators to correct.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,333,Beyond-Belief-2006-Videos,beyondbelief2006org

Science: Disprove our truths and we will honour you with our highest award.

Religion: Disprove our wild imaginings and we will attempt to censor you and we will tell you that you will burn in hell.

well, we cant prove the existance of god but science cant prove the absence of souls.. nor can they prove the big bang.. its a theory, but it could be wrong.. in earlier days we thought the planet was flat and the sun revolved around us... perhaps we are just another stupid society?

when you can explain how the first element, the first living thing (unless you think we evolved from rocks...) and the first space, even emptyness is a thing.. how did time and space come to be? oh, well maybe god created it >.>

 

[lieexpsr]

Your ignoring my points! And your trying to convert people to atheism on this thread, so I am defending Christianity, and will try to convert others, since you are trying to do the same.

I have a feeling this thread is going to be moved to the Wreck Beach. Would you like to make a thread their lieexper and continue our chat, with no bars held. If you make the thread, I will come in and respond, and not censor myself.

A priest, wow, I would really like his opinions, as he probably is a lot more grounded and calm. See, I admit, I am VERY PASSIONATE, and get VERY EMOTIONAL on this subject, so for that I usually am not the greatest defender of Christianity.

I get to wrapped up in it, and get very involved.

The CHRISTIAN TACTIC: Move threads which are uncomfortable for them to the sidelines. No, I have no interest in going to the sidelines to disucss a perfectly reasonable and decent question on religion and whether or not it is a hoax. Civility and manners appropriae to this forum are called for on this thread and I sincerely hope the Christians will not attempt to have it sidelined by using other inappropriate tactics.

 

[lieexpsr]

well, we cant prove the existance of god but science cant prove the absence of souls.. nor can they prove the big bang.. its a theory, but it could be wrong.. in earlier days we thought the planet was flat and the sun revolved around us... perhaps we are just another stupid society?

when you can explain how the first element, the first living thing (unless you think we evolved from rocks...) and the first space, even emptyness is a thing.. how did time and space come to be? oh, well maybe god created it >.>

Don't make unwise and unfounded assertions here unless you are prepared to stick around and back them up. Yes, we are a relatively stupid society, simply because we are mortal humans with brains which are incapable of understanding the universe. Science is working on the problem. Religion already has all the answers. Just ask one!

 

[westmanguy]

I will wait for sanctus to take you on.

I know my faith in God, and me, being passionate and emotional about it, always ends up harming my debate.

The origin of universe, the fate after death, and the existence of souls, CANNOT EVER be answered by Science.

Thats why religion will stay. And I do have faith and a relationship with God. If I didn't I wouldn't be so sure of my convictions and belief.

 

[Alexander]

Don't make unwise and unfounded assertions here unless you are prepared to stick around and back them up. Yes, we are a relatively stupid society, simply because we are mortal humans with brains which are incapable of understanding the universe. Science is working on the problem. Religion already has all the answers. Just ask one!

What kind of reply was that? Can you possibly elaborate more? Or are you afraid you can't answer these questions? Atheists seem to be so narrow minded. Another scientific 'law' that exists is the law of conservation of mass, because you are oh so smart I'm sure you know what it is. So can you tell me, did time begin with everything being in its own place? Or did we evolve from rocks? How did everything we know, the possibly unlimited universe included, come to be?

In a religious discussion there are no winners because there are no answers. Facts get shot down by other facts and so on, you act like you know everything but you don't.

 

[westmanguy]

O thank god, (pardon the pun, I love these puns in religious threads!). I wasn't the only one, who thought lieexpsr was narrow-minded and ignorant.. and this person is accusing all people of religion of being narrow-minded and ignorant.

 

[darkbeaver]

I will wait for sanctus to take you on.

I know my faith in God, and me, being passionate and emotional about it, always ends up harming my debate.

The origin of universe, the fate after death, and the existence of souls, CANNOT EVER be answered by Science.

Thats why religion will stay. And I do have faith and a relationship with God. If I didn't I wouldn't be so sure of my convictions and belief.

Your first post in CC trashed First Nations people, so despite your relationship with your god I have my doubts about your eternal reward.

 

[westmanguy]

Ok, about that... I was new too the forum, and wanted to have some fun, and make up outlandish comments about Natives, which I don't actually agree with. As a newbie, and a member of a few days, I wanted to make a dramatic thread.

It was immature and stupid.. I know. Were not perfect. And I don't stand by those comments, as I was, sorry, looking for attention. I like this forum now, and have changed my original thoughts of just passing through, and have been more serious now.

 

[Alexander]

O thank god, (pardon the pun, I love these puns in religious threads!). I wasn't the only one, who thought lieexpsr was narrow-minded and ignorant.. and this person is accusing all people of religion of being narrow-minded and ignorant.

Speak of the Devil? lol

Anyways, it isn't just him. Many atheists will be really out of the blue and down right rude to people that they don't even know. I find it ironic that when in discussions with an atheist they like to bring up religious topics quite often and then laugh at you when you tell them your beliefs. I'm sure there are some atheists that are kind and respectful to people with beliefs but many are only nice to people who share the same thoughts. High ego and arrogant.

 

[westmanguy]

Yes, I have been involved on other forums, and lots of other religious debates. And when you try to explain your beliefs, on a topic they brought up, they laugh at you! And condemn you, and try to convert others, thing they got the world figured out, are big ego maniacs, arragont, narrow-minded, and hardened.

90% of the atheists I have met on the internet are like that. In real life, I have met 2-3 atheists, and 2 of them were rude about my belief, and the other one became a past friend, and said, that for our friendship, religion would not ever come up in discussions between us. That atheist friend moved, and I respected him. But alot of atheists I have met, really to me, hurt their cause, then help it.

 

[karrie]

Lose your anger and I will lose mine toward you.

Why would you be angry with me? I haven't been angry with you, and I don't quite understand what about our discussion thus far cold have caused you anger toward me. Have a good time on the forum, but I believe I'm done discussing anything with you.

 

[karrie]

If your atheist, fine. But why are you trying to convert people to atheism. You are free to believe what you want, but I don't like the fact your shoving us all to watch this 15 hour video of lies and fabrications, to convert people to atheism.

As a Christian I respect people of Muslim, Judaism, Buddahism, and other religions. But, a long time ago, I lost all respect and tolerance to atheism.

To most religious people, it is extremely hard to respect and tolerate a person who denies an existence of a God, and is so hardened in their beliefs, and so wanting to make others jump to their side.

The mindset of needing to convert others is one of the things that makes me categorize many atheists as practising an upstart religion. Spreading the message, mocking believers of other religions, and being adamant that only their way could possibly be right. It fits into the attitude of religious intolerance that they hate so much when it comes from a church. I find it quite an interesting phenomena, especially when they are incapable of recognizing that they're doing it. They feel that for them it's justified to be intolerant of religious belief, but for any other religion to express intolerance toward others is NOT okay.

 

[talloola]

I sincerely don't want to "laugh" at anyone who believes in their god, I wouldn't do that, that's mean,
but tell me, my religious friends, how could I ever believe in a god, when everything in my heart and
soul, tell me otherwise. I do believe in the "church", as I can see, that in this world, the church does
so much good for "others", the elderly, the lonely, the poor, the saddened, and others, so good for
them. My daughter is involved with a church, plays her flute for the service, and participates in
many functions, and I have joined her from time to time, just to help, but I do not attend services.
If you "sincerely" ask yourselves to turn away from your religion, and talk yourself into "not" believing
there is a god, I'm sure you could "never" do that. Well, it is the same for me, maybe I could pretend,
but, I could not believe.
I had four years of Catholic School, and lots of catechism and masses, first communion, confirmation,
novenas, and other functions, when I was a child, so I was given the chance to be a good catholic,
but it didn't work, as I grew up my thoughts took me in another direction, and I feel comfortable
where I am. I feel the same about "where I am" as you do re: "where you are". I live a life that is
good, clean, have raised 4 beautiful daughters, married 48 years, and I am happy, and I hope you
are too. As an atheist, I also don't want to be ridiculed and laughed at by religious people, but I am
genuinely interested in hearing their stories, and I like to know how they feel about, anything and
everything, and since I have been "tuning" into this thread I have grown to respect "sanctus" very
much, and I still have my "little girl" image of priests, as the bosses of everything.
I don't, "practice" being an atheist, I have never read anything about atheism, andI don't intend on doing so, wouldn't know where to start.

 

[darkbeaver]

Wisdom and compassion that's very nice combination.:wave: