Perhaps we should stop with experimentation

[Zzarchov]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6387611.stm

So they can communicate with use with language

They have IQ's comparable to ours (genius apes are average humans)

They use tools, much like some still used by tribal people today (though cruder)

And we lock them in cages and do aids experimentation on them?


At one point do we draw the line on sentient..is it a proportional thing? IF so..does that mean when someone (probably soon) genetically engineers a human who is as far above the common man as we are above chimps that we'll end up in cages?

 

[hermanntrude]

give them human rights, even?

 

[lieexpsr]

Great book I have just finished called, Inside the Animal Mind by George Page. Anyone who reads that I think would be a little slower to mock Zzarchov.

 

[hermanntrude]

Great book I have just finished called, Inside the Animal Mind by George Page. Anyone who reads that I think would be a little slower to mock Zzarchov.

I wasnt mocking, i'm serious

 

[L Gilbert]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6387611.stm

So they can communicate with use with language

They have IQ's comparable to ours (genius apes are average humans)

They use tools, much like some still used by tribal people today (though cruder)

And we lock them in cages and do aids experimentation on them?

Not surprising. People do that to other people, too.

At one point do we draw the line on sentient..is it a proportional thing? IF so..does that mean when someone (probably soon) genetically engineers a human who is as far above the common man as we are above chimps that we'll end up in cages?

If we have respect for all things, the lines are very clear and already drawn.

 

[darkbeaver]

We should be using conservatives and republicans for these experiments.:wave:

 

[hermanntrude]

We should be using conservatives and republicans for these experiments.:wave:

politicians in general. Any politician found lying cheating or doing anythign dodgy, whoosh! put them in a little cage and jab needles in their eyes

 

[thomaska]

We should be using conservatives and republicans for these experiments.:wave:

I'm sure there are some experiments out there that require liberals or some other form of invertebrates

 

[lieexpsr]

We should be using conservatives and republicans for these experiments.:wave:

Whooooaaaaa darkbeaver. That's way up there on the insult scale. Bet you wouldn't have got away with it if I had said it and I used Christians in place of conservatives! ;-)

Just kiddin, it's not really offensive at all either way IMO.

 

[L Gilbert]

politicians in general. Any politician found lying cheating or doing anythign dodgy, whoosh! put them in a little cage and jab needles in their eyes

That's a much better answer than Beav's answer.

 

[Zzarchov]

Just a question:

If someone raised a chimp to be able to speak in sign language, use human facilities like the toilet, wear basic clothing, etc.

And taught it how to do some menial job, like busing tables or stocking shelves. All of which it is capable of doing.

Would you think it appropriate to pay it a wage?

 

[El Barto]

We should be using conservatives and republicans for these experiments.:wave:

Le mot juste mon petit castor noir. Yeah baby yeah !

 

[L Gilbert]

Just a question:

If someone raised a chimp to be able to speak in sign language, use human facilities like the toilet, wear basic clothing, etc.

And taught it how to do some menial job, like busing tables or stocking shelves. All of which it is capable of doing.

Would you think it appropriate to pay it a wage?

Or provide the guy with meals, or other things he wants, sure. Why not?

 

[El Barto]

I'm sure there are some experiments out there that require liberals or some other form of invertebrates

AW thats good too :wave:

 

[Libra Girl]

Just a question:

If someone raised a chimp to be able to speak in sign language, use human facilities like the toilet, wear basic clothing, etc.

And taught it how to do some menial job, like busing tables or stocking shelves. All of which it is capable of doing.

Would you think it appropriate to pay it a wage?

I don't know that paying it a wage would be beneficial to the chimp.. I mean, what would it buy? It wouldn't understand the concept of money. However, the first part of your question has already been answered...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Temerlin

...and yes, I agree, we have a terrible reputation for what we do to animals!

 

[karrie]

Just a question:

If someone raised a chimp to be able to speak in sign language, use human facilities like the toilet, wear basic clothing, etc.

And taught it how to do some menial job, like busing tables or stocking shelves. All of which it is capable of doing.

Would you think it appropriate to pay it a wage?

Ah, and here I walk a thin line likely to get me negative rep points out the wazoo.....

We pay the mentally handicapped to work, why not a primate with equivalent mental facilities? The only problem is, the mentally handicapped have families and social workers to spend their money for them. I can't see it being economically feasible for the world to assign social workers to manage the pay of each well trained monkey doing a job. They simply don't have the same value in society's eyes as a human. I don't know that there is any right answer there Zzaarchov.

 

[L Gilbert]

I don't know that paying it a wage would be beneficial to the chimp.. I mean, what would it buy? It wouldn't understand the concept of money.

???
yet they understand the concepts of tools and trading other things between each other.

 

[L Gilbert]

Who says the wage has to be paid in currency anyway?

 

[Libra Girl]

Who says the wage has to be paid in currency anyway?

Good point! Missed that! Ouch!

 

[El Barto]

Yeah the all mighty Banana maybe worth more than the Canadian dollar:munky2: