Peace rally draws 15000 in montreal

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Peace rally draws 15,000 in Montreal
Aug. 6, 2006. 06:17 PM
CANADIAN PRESS

MONTREAL — A demonstration billed as a protest for peace assumed a distinctly anti-Israeli flavour Sunday as protesters denounced the Jewish state for killing hundreds of Lebanese.

Children carrying two large Lebanese flags and adults who trailed behind accused Prime Minister Stephen Harper of being an accomplice to Israeli murder.

“Israel terrorist, Harper accomplice,” members of the crowd shouted in unison as marchers left a downtown park on their journey through city streets.

Police said more than 15,000 people participated in the rally, making it one of the largest that took place around the world over the weekend.

Demonstrations also took place in Belgium, Britain, South Africa, Iraq and Egypt.

A coalition of 60 political, social and union groups invited Montrealers to join the protest in a massive demonstration for peace and justice in Lebanon.

They called for an immediate ceasefire that would end hostilities.

That was on the mind of Eric Morin, a 37-year-old father of two.

“I’m here as a citizen who doesn’t want to see a baby die for ideological reasons,” he said as thousands of participants shielded themselves from the summer heat before the march began.

“They should all get together and try to find a way to live in peace.”

Morin said he fears the fighting could escalate into a Third World War.

Among the many participants were members of the city’s Lebanese community, which numbers about 200,000.

Many held placards denouncing Harper’s handling of the crisis, particularly his open support of Israel.

“Yo Stevie, they’re only dead Arabs,” read one sign hoisted by Asem Samhat, whose home village on the Lebanese border has been turned into rubble by Israeli attacks.

“Our country has the right to live,” the 35-year-old construction worker said, denying Canada’s assertion that Hezbollah is a terrorist group.

A 41-year-old architect who moved to Canada five years ago from Beirut said he’s disappointed that Canada hasn’t taken a more independent position from that of the United States.

“I’m asking Canada to be faithful to its tradition of humanism and independence,” said Victor, who declined to give his surname.

While many participants claimed they weren’t singling out either side in the bloody conflict, some carried placards that linked Israel to Nazi atrocities during the Second World War.

“Israel learned from Hitler and the student has surpassed the master,” read one sign.

A representative of the Quebec Israel Committee said he understands the desire for peace. But Marc Gold said there is no hope for peace as long as Hezbollah continues to fire rockets at Israel.

“We all want a peace but a peace that means something not just a pause to give time for Hezbollah to regroup,” he said in an interview.

Gold criticized rhetoric that singled out Israeli’s aggression.

“Demonstrations like this that can find nothing to say except to criticize Israel and do not focus on the causes of this conflict are unbalanced and frankly unprincipled.”

Political representatives from the Bloc Quebecois, Parti Quebecois and federal Liberals denounced Ottawa’s handling of the crisis.

“We want to make sure that Canada comes back as a mediator,” said former Liberal immigration minister Denis Coderre.

“We cannot govern a country and manage a crisis by dogma.”

Both sovereigntist leaders said their sole motive was to promote peace, not electoral gain.

“I’m here walking for peace,” said Boisclair. “I was here against the war in Iraq and I’m here simply to walk in favour of peace.”

Duceppe declined to say whether he is prepared to vote against the Conservative government in a non-confidence motion over its handling of the crisis.

“Quebecers are not supporting what they’re doing,” he said of the Conservatives, whose public support has slipped in several recent polls.

“But I’m not here to discuss strategy.”

Some of the loudest ovations were received by some ultra-religious Jews who denounced Israel’s actions and its right to exist.

“We are totally in opposition in every step of the way to what the state of Israel is doing,” said Rabbi Israel David Weiss, a New Yorker with Jews United Against Zionism.

“The actual existence of the state of Israel is forbidden by the torah (Jewish bible).”

Weiss marched near the front row of the demonstration, locking arms with Sayed Nabil Abbas, a representative of the Islamic Shiite Supreme Council in Canada.

“We don’t have any problems against the Jews, our problem is with the Zionists,” said Abbas.

The demonstration came as Hezbollah and Israel continue to trade violent strikes that have killed about 700 people in nearly a month of fighting.
 

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Yeah Peace Rally.........

Nobody carrying Israeli flags, just Lebanese and attempts at carrying Hezbollah flags, which were confiscated.

As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.
 

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As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not Canada's enemy. (yet) 80 percent of the Lebanese population supports Hezbollah. There was a story not long ago that Hezbollah was going to run in the next election. I think that is a big part of the reason for Israel's invasion.
 

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If I found anyone at a Canadian rally carrying a foreign flag there'd be words. Unacceptable.
As the years go on and foreign problems are imported here via a foolishly organized and maintained immigration system we can expect more of what we see overseas to turn up on our streets. And it's all been for political-cum-personal gain. The promise of this country has been sold out by political elites so they could buy cottages in the Muskokas or expensive holidays.
If you come to Canada be a Canadian or get the hell out.
 

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Headline

1,985,000 ignore peace rally in Montreal. Miniscule % of population expresses interest. 11 times more people buy a chocolate ice cream cone and 6 times more a vanilla ice cream cone than atend rally. 81% more Montrealers go out and enjoy a Maple Walnut ice cream than attend rally.
 

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#juan said:
As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not Canada's enemy. (yet) 80 percent of the Lebanese population supports Hezbollah. There was a story not long ago that Hezbollah was going to run in the next election. I think that is a big part of the reason for Israel's invasion.

????? they ran in the last Lebanese election and have two cabinet seats in the Lebanese governmnet. They are almost as popular in Lebanon as the Nazis were in 1930's Germany. What's your point?
 

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Colpy said:
Yeah Peace Rally.........

Nobody carrying Israeli flags, just Lebanese and attempts at carrying Hezbollah flags, which were confiscated.

As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.


Yes it was a peace protest, orthodox jews took part of it hand by hand with lebanese imam, a moment to remember.
 

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tamarin said:
If I found anyone at a Canadian rally carrying a foreign flag there'd be words. Unacceptable.
As the years go on and foreign problems are imported here via a foolishly organized and maintained immigration system we can expect more of what we see overseas to turn up on our streets. And it's all been for political-cum-personal gain. The promise of this country has been sold out by political elites so they could buy cottages in the Muskokas or expensive holidays.
If you come to Canada be a Canadian or get the hell out.


What is to be a canadian?
 

Logic 7

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athabaska said:
#juan said:
As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not Canada's enemy. (yet) 80 percent of the Lebanese population supports Hezbollah. There was a story not long ago that Hezbollah was going to run in the next election. I think that is a big part of the reason for Israel's invasion.

????? they ran in the last Lebanese election and have two cabinet seats in the Lebanese governmnet. They are almost as popular in Lebanon as the Nazis were in 1930's Germany. What's your point?

What do you think is the differences beetween nazi and hezbollah?

are hezbollah capable of invadings any nation?


are hezbollah really dangerous?

They have killed 52 soldiers, and 33 civilians in israel so far, when israel has killed way more civilians than hezbollah militant, so who is really dangerous?
 

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A Canadian carries Canadian citizenship and puts Canada first. A person's first loyalty. He carries and honours the emblems and symbols of this country to the primary exclusion of all others. He resides here, pays taxes here and contributes to the community he lives in. He even knows the words to the national anthem.
All else has been covered in other threads.
 

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#juan said:
As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not Canada's enemy. (yet) 80 percent of the Lebanese population supports Hezbollah. There was a story not long ago that Hezbollah was going to run in the next election. I think that is a big part of the reason for Israel's invasion.

Hezbollah has been declared a terrorist organization by Canada......that makes them our enemy, IMHO.
 

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athabaska said:
#juan said:
As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not Canada's enemy. (yet) 80 percent of the Lebanese population supports Hezbollah. There was a story not long ago that Hezbollah was going to run in the next election. I think that is a big part of the reason for Israel's invasion.

????? they ran in the last Lebanese election and have two cabinet seats in the Lebanese governmnet. They are almost as popular in Lebanon as the Nazis were in 1930's Germany. What's your point?

The point is, that Hezbollah's support has grown. The point is, that Hezbollah is not the Republican Guard. Hezbollah is not a significant military power. If Hezbollah fired those antique Russian rockets the way they were designed to be fired, they would have ran out a month and a half ago.
 

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#juan said:
As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not Canada's enemy. (yet) 80 percent of the Lebanese population supports Hezbollah. There was a story not long ago that Hezbollah was going to run in the next election. I think that is a big part of the reason for Israel's invasion.

no juan, hezbollah does NOT represent 80 % of the lebanese , I am not sure where u got this number, they're a minority in the governement and they can run in future elections but they will not be able to achieve their dream of making lebanon an islamic state as the constitution will not allow them to do so , they can only rule the parliment as shiite , that is the maximum they can get, the PM has to be a sunni, the president has to be a maronite.

edit to add fro wikipedia
Along with the Amal Movement, Hezbollah is one of the two main organizations representing the Shia community, Lebanon's largest religious bloc, but the only militant one (Amal is a political party).

Hezbollah's civilian wing participates in the Parliament of Lebanon[51].In 1992, it participated in Lebanese elections for the first time, winning 12 out of 128 seats in parliament. It won 10 seats in 1996, and 8 in 2000. In the general election of 2005, it won 14 seats nationwide (of 128 total), and an Amal-Hezbollah alliance won all 23 seats in Southern Lebanon. The bloc it forms with others, the Resistance and Development Bloc, took 27.3% of the seats (see Lebanese general election, 2005).

Hezbollah is a minority partner in the current Cabinet, holding two (and endorsing a third) cabinet positions[52] [53] in the Lebanese government of July 2005.
 

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#juan said:
athabaska said:
#juan said:
As I've said before, the peaceniks are overwhelmingly NOT neutral, but partisan to our enemies.....Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is not Canada's enemy. (yet) 80 percent of the Lebanese population supports Hezbollah. There was a story not long ago that Hezbollah was going to run in the next election. I think that is a big part of the reason for Israel's invasion.

????? they ran in the last Lebanese election and have two cabinet seats in the Lebanese governmnet. They are almost as popular in Lebanon as the Nazis were in 1930's Germany. What's your point?

The point is, that Hezbollah's support has grown. The point is, that Hezbollah is not the Republican Guard. Hezbollah is not a significant military power. If Hezbollah fired those antique Russian rockets the way they were designed to be fired, they would have ran out a month and a half ago.

yes their support has grown, but when the war is over and hezbollah supporters find that they have no houses no schools for their kids to go to when the shiite end up being refugees across syria , jordan and lebanon, they will recalculate what hezbollah has gotten them into.many of them are so angry already, u should visit lebanese blogs and get an idea.
 

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Does anyone know of an organized support israel / anti-hezbollah march?

maybe it's time to start one.
 

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another thing to keep in mind is that many of those rallies are aginst Israel attacks on civilians but are not pro-hizbollah
 

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Logic 7 said:
are hezbollah really dangerous?

They have killed 52 soldiers, and 33 civilians in israel so far, when israel has killed way more civilians than hezbollah militant, so who is really dangerous?

If not for Hezboalla, there would be 0 dead soldiers and 0 dead civilians on both sides. Yes, they're dengerous.
 

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RE: Peace rally draws 150

A few things:

By Logic 7

I knew canadians made sense

15,000 Quebecers (most of which were probably Lebanese in fact) don't represent Canada.

By Athabaska

Headline

1,985,000 ignore peace rally in Montreal. Miniscule % of population expresses interest. 11 times more people buy a chocolate ice cream cone and 6 times more a vanilla ice cream cone than atend rally. 81% more Montrealers go out and enjoy a Maple Walnut ice cream than attend rally.

Hehehe too good :)

Logc 7

What do you think is the differences beetween nazi and hezbollah?

are hezbollah capable of invadings any nation?


are hezbollah really dangerous?

They have killed 52 soldiers, and 33 civilians in israel so far, when israel has killed way more civilians than hezbollah militant, so who is really dangerous?

So we're basing the danger of a threat on their ability to invade another Nation and/or effectively kill people? Do you live in a box? I mean honestly, is there a set of guidelines you've set up that a Nation and/or group must meet before they're REALLY dangerous? I think the launching of thousands of rocks in to another Nation at the aim of BLANTANTLY KILLING CIVILIANS is a threat enough, the issues isn't whether they're GOOD at launching rockets, but the fact that they do so.

By Colpy

Hezbollah has been declared a terrorist organization by Canada......that makes them our enemy, IMHO.

No shit, you'd think it was clear to everyone.

By Nathaniel

Does anyone know of an organized support israel / anti-hezbollah march?

maybe it's time to start one.

It'd never happen. The bleeding hearts in our society would deem it "racists" and "anti-muslim". In Edmonton a few years back some people tried to have a heterosexual pride parade. It was shot down. The homosexuals can have their parades, but the heteros can't. The same thing with the Middle East. Let the sobbing Muslims march through Montreal, but a demonstration of mass by Jews and/or Israeli supporters would never get off the ground. Freedom of speech in Canada? Only if you're not speaking about something that could offend a minority. Thus is the state of our Nation. Makes me ill.
 

Logic 7

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Just the Facts said:
Logic 7 said:
are hezbollah really dangerous?

They have killed 52 soldiers, and 33 civilians in israel so far, when israel has killed way more civilians than hezbollah militant, so who is really dangerous?

If not for Hezboalla, there would be 0 dead soldiers and 0 dead civilians on both sides. Yes, they're dengerous.

I think either you havent understood what is going on already,or i am wrong,but for your own information, hezbollah has no real military power to invade illegally anyone, so from where they are dangerous?

They have killed more soldiers than civilians, so please explain.