Parliament Takes Break; Tensions Mounting
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I believe we should have a democracy like in Taiwan or somewhere, have you guys ever seen those videos where they wipe mikes at each other and get into a real dust-up. Not only will it end all this 'tension' :roll: it would be exciting for t.v.
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Speaking of STUPID.....
Perhaps you failed to notice, but the Reform Party was formed by people who couldn't stand Brian Mulroney. He is the entire reason they split from the Progressive Conservatives.
Now then, you are REALLY stepping on toes in your attack on Christianity. I was brought up by very religious conservative Baptists, and I am struggling to maintain my temper. First of all, these people are the finest, most honest, and YES, most tolerant folks I have ever met. Your ignorance is an insult to a culture that built this nation from scratch, that fought to keep us free, that made the choices and the sacrifices that facilitated the freedom and the wealth that people like you enjoy without a second thought.
If you had a shred of decency, you would apologize for that baseless, ignorant, and arrogant attack.
I am probably among the two or three most right-wing individuals on this board, and I challenge you to find ANY post in my 1000+ posts that takes a radical stand on either SSM or abortion.
Their are acceptable middle ways on both issues. It is only the LEFT that thinks there is only ONE way to truth........
JonB2004 said:Colpy said:JonB2004 said:
GOOD guess!
Not only did I vote Conservative in the last election, I am a card-carrying member of the party.
I was a member of the Canadian Alliance before that.
Before that I was a member of the Reform Party. I think I joined in 1992, but I'm not sure.
Yeah, well its kind of dumb for you to say that the NDP is a bunch of idiots. Look at the way the Conservatives run their government.
The recent Conservative budget was extremely irresponsible.
They oppose same-sex marriage. The government has no business in Canadians bedrooms. And they oppose abortion. Abortion is a womans right. And the Conservatives oppose these things because they are a bunch of cocksucking Christian *censored* and they base their political beliefs on that fiction book called the Bible. You cannot run your government based on the Bible.
And I'm suprised your not still pissed off after what Brian Mulroney did to this country. He almost destroyed Canada.
I will never ever trust those bastard Conservatives. Never! I will vote for the Marijuana Party before I vote for those *censored*. And I'm sickened at how people can vote for the Conservatives.
Speaking of STUPID.....
Perhaps you failed to notice, but the Reform Party was formed by people who couldn't stand Brian Mulroney. He is the entire reason they split from the Progressive Conservatives.
Now then, you are REALLY stepping on toes in your attack on Christianity. I was brought up by very religious conservative Baptists, and I am struggling to maintain my temper. First of all, these people are the finest, most honest, and YES, most tolerant folks I have ever met. Your ignorance is an insult to a culture that built this nation from scratch, that fought to keep us free, that made the choices and the sacrifices that facilitated the freedom and the wealth that people like you enjoy without a second thought.
If you had a shred of decency, you would apologize for that baseless, ignorant, and arrogant attack.
I am probably among the two or three most right-wing individuals on this board, and I challenge you to find ANY post in my 1000+ posts that takes a radical stand on either SSM or abortion.
Their are acceptable middle ways on both issues. It is only the LEFT that thinks there is only ONE way to truth........
The Day you're trusted to be the Ref is the day I trust OJ Simpson to date my sister who happens to be blonde too..Jersay said:Take it to Wreck Beach. I will be the ref.
I am about to post a more comprehensive response.
However, something else requires an immediate comment. JonB2004, your comments on this issue are doing nothing constructive. In my opinion, you should issue an apology to supporters of the Conservative Party of Canada on Canadian Content for the tasteless things that you have submitted to this discussion here today. Jersay, your hand in this is deplorable. Both of you should know, by now, that this is not how we facilitate a proper discussion.
I am disgusted at the immaturity of some of the supporters of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition and the New Democratic Party of Canada. I mean, I am a supporter of the Liberal Party of Canada, but I would like to think that I don't go that low in my comments.
However, something else requires an immediate comment. JonB2004, your comments on this issue are doing nothing constructive. In my opinion, you should issue an apology to supporters of the Conservative Party of Canada on Canadian Content for the tasteless things that you have submitted to this discussion here today. Jersay, your hand in this is deplorable. Both of you should know, by now, that this is not how we facilitate a proper discussion.
I am disgusted at the immaturity of some of the supporters of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition and the New Democratic Party of Canada. I mean, I am a supporter of the Liberal Party of Canada, but I would like to think that I don't go that low in my comments.
Johnny Utah said:The Day you're trusted to be the Ref is the day I trust OJ Simpson to date my sister who happens to be blonde too..Jersay said:Take it to Wreck Beach. I will be the ref.
That's Okay.....I can handle 'em both.....
Re: RE: Parliament Takes Break; Tensions Mounting
Well, Five, I did call the NDP "idiots", and I often call the Liberal Party (although NOT it's supporters) "corrupt".
FiveParadox said:
Well, Five, I did call the NDP "idiots", and I often call the Liberal Party (although NOT it's supporters) "corrupt".
Yes, but some comments are more... er, "coarse", than others.
Each side of the debate here should strive for a "higher" standard.
Each side of the debate here should strive for a "higher" standard.
I don't think that you made any comments in and of themselves, Jersay; rather, in my opinion, you were "egging on" another member to continue to escalate his comments for the purpose of disrupting discussion and debate in the forum. However, I think that it is high time that we return to the topic at hand.
I would suggest that the conduct of Mr. Harper, in relation to his decisions and statements to ignore outright the opinion of the House of Commons, is quite inappropriate, coming from our head of government. While he shouldn't be required to do whatever the Commons orders (since that would be a clear breach of the separation between the executive and legislative branches of government), he should, at the very least, show some degree of respect toward the institution.
I would suggest that the conduct of Mr. Harper, in relation to his decisions and statements to ignore outright the opinion of the House of Commons, is quite inappropriate, coming from our head of government. While he shouldn't be required to do whatever the Commons orders (since that would be a clear breach of the separation between the executive and legislative branches of government), he should, at the very least, show some degree of respect toward the institution.
RE: Parliament Takes Brea
So um..getting back to the topic at hand here...in response to Five's well articulated discussion (damn you post hijackers)....
Personally, I have a few problems with what's been going on.
I think my problem stems with a few facts (facts being the way i see it..not acutal facts, cuz im too lazy to go that route..lol).
1) The conservative government is acting likes its a MAJORITY government..which can never be a good thing for long term stability.
2) The Liberals are in blatant disarry which makes me sad. I think the problem is that there is an hard core ideological shift going on. Yes they are hypocrites for voting against sending troops to afghanistan....however, if memory serves me correct, the initial decision was not based on a free vote, but in accordance with toeing the party line. Had it been a free vote, whould we have sent troops in the first place?
3) Futher to point 2, the other thing is that i can't help but feel that there is a real push by the internal memebers of the Libs to shift back to the left of centre. The libs under Trudeau were very left of centre...gradually it shifted more centre. Arguably, Martin took the party right of centre. So is the Libs positioning themselves to go more left...to cut the NDP's at their knees and provide a clear alternative to the Cons, who are gaining in public popularity????
3) The NDP in the meantime is gaining strength in that they are monopolizing the dissary in the Liberal party to better position themselves as the future opposition. If you notice....more attention is on the NDP's responses than any other party...and thats not accidental. The problem being is that they are so adamant against any type of change that would disrupt the social utopia they advocate that they aren't necessarily providing any clear solutions to real problems. Throwing more money at something wont make it better if there is a fundamental problem in the system itself.
4) The Bloc are so concerned about losing support in quebec that they are in a quandry...do they go against Conservative policy that clearly benefits quebec?
So my point is that all the partys are in a dissaray right now of various degrees.
And therefore, the Harper government is pushing policy and resolutions at a much faster rate because they want to give the impression of decisiveness. Really, they arent so much decisive as aware that its better to push contriversial stuff through without debate while the other parties are weak.
I am concerned that they are so hell bent on getting their issues through that decisiveness is really knee-jerk reactions to better themselves for the next election. I can't imagine something working well if there is no discussion with the people involved.
So um..getting back to the topic at hand here...in response to Five's well articulated discussion (damn you post hijackers
)....Personally, I have a few problems with what's been going on.
I think my problem stems with a few facts (facts being the way i see it..not acutal facts, cuz im too lazy to go that route..lol).
1) The conservative government is acting likes its a MAJORITY government..which can never be a good thing for long term stability.
2) The Liberals are in blatant disarry which makes me sad. I think the problem is that there is an hard core ideological shift going on. Yes they are hypocrites for voting against sending troops to afghanistan....however, if memory serves me correct, the initial decision was not based on a free vote, but in accordance with toeing the party line. Had it been a free vote, whould we have sent troops in the first place?
3) Futher to point 2, the other thing is that i can't help but feel that there is a real push by the internal memebers of the Libs to shift back to the left of centre. The libs under Trudeau were very left of centre...gradually it shifted more centre. Arguably, Martin took the party right of centre. So is the Libs positioning themselves to go more left...to cut the NDP's at their knees and provide a clear alternative to the Cons, who are gaining in public popularity????
3) The NDP in the meantime is gaining strength in that they are monopolizing the dissary in the Liberal party to better position themselves as the future opposition. If you notice....more attention is on the NDP's responses than any other party...and thats not accidental. The problem being is that they are so adamant against any type of change that would disrupt the social utopia they advocate that they aren't necessarily providing any clear solutions to real problems. Throwing more money at something wont make it better if there is a fundamental problem in the system itself.
4) The Bloc are so concerned about losing support in quebec that they are in a quandry...do they go against Conservative policy that clearly benefits quebec?
So my point is that all the partys are in a dissaray right now of various degrees.
And therefore, the Harper government is pushing policy and resolutions at a much faster rate because they want to give the impression of decisiveness. Really, they arent so much decisive as aware that its better to push contriversial stuff through without debate while the other parties are weak.
I am concerned that they are so hell bent on getting their issues through that decisiveness is really knee-jerk reactions to better themselves for the next election. I can't imagine something working well if there is no discussion with the people involved.