Parent Packed School Lunches Unsafe?

karrie

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Unless the kids mothers were too damn lazy to haul their fat asses out of bed to make them breakfast and lunch. The lunches should be fresh when they left the house. Putting a cold pack into it would also keep it fresh.

One tip is to not make the lunches the morning of, as everything warms up on the counter, goes into a warm bag, and has no hope of staying warm. Make it the night before, keep it in the fridge so that even the bag is cold, and chuck an ice pack in before they leave.
 

TenPenny

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One tip is to not make the lunches the morning of, as everything warms up on the counter, goes into a warm bag, and has no hope of staying warm. Make it the night before, keep it in the fridge so that even the bag is cold, and chuck an ice pack in before they leave.

Not only that, but who has time to make lunches in the morning? We make them all the night before, there's too much to do in the morning.
 

gerryh

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You don't use a damn bag, unless you're some welfare bum. A properly insulated thermal lunch pack should be used.
 

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Unless the kids mothers were too damn lazy to haul their fat asses out of bed to make them breakfast and lunch. The lunches should be fresh when they left the house. Putting a cold pack into it would also keep it fresh.

that could be one of the problems, along with others. When we were kids, there were no ice packs to put
in any lunch, and some people didn't have refrigerators, only ice boxes, so great care, and everyday
shopping had to take place to make sure food was very fresh all the time.

no thermal lunch bags, just brown paper lunch bags, or a metal lunch box,
and there wasn't even anything plastic yet.

There were lots of little grocery stores in neighbourhoods, so one could drop by and pick up fresh food
for tomorrows lunch easily, the only big store in my town for food shopping was the first 'overwaitea'
ever, and it was about the size of a big drugstore, and way downtown, had to take the bus to shop there.


With many kids packing their own lunches today, because most parents work, and chores are varied, I would
be very careful about the food they are taking with them, and as the parent I would know exactly what
is in my frig, and just how fresh the food is, checking dates on packages, etc, and milk products.

At least now it is good to see that the schools have upgraded their supplies of food for the kids, so
its not all about popularity of products now, but 'nutrition' as well.



Kids can be so careless in the kitchen, leaving food on counters after snacks, etc., and no parents there
to observe, causing food to deteriorate, then it goes back into frig later, then back out for lunches,
poor habits for keeping food fresh, then if it sits around the school for 3 or 4 hours, more problems.
 

TenPenny

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You don't use a damn bag, unless you're some welfare bum. A properly insulated thermal lunch pack should be used.

My kids have thermal lunchbags, every once in a while they forget them at school, then bring them back the next day. We have an extra or two around.

It's not really a hardship to spend 5 or 10 bucks on a lunchbag so that your kid can have lunch.
 

wulfie68

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This seems like another study that probably could have been scrapped in favour of something more urgent. I mean we all knew that bacteria can grow in perishables at room temperature, and meats are especially susceptible. We know that veggies and fruits don't keep as well at room temperature either. A study into causes and solutions to childhood obesity would have been more useful to most parents.

Now I think technology is giving us some answers and common sense exercised by parents gives us others: there are vinyl thermally insulating lunchbags that can help keep food cooler. Karrie brought up a very good point about even without these containers, just putting the whole lunch in the fridge the night before can help slow the warming. Cold packs are another option as well, but I think we also need to bear in mind that younger kids do get distracted more easily than adults or teens, and items that can end up mistakenly tossed out aren't always going to be much of a fix. We can talk all we want about teaching responsibility to our kids but how often do we see a responsible 7 year old? A lot of them may try but its not a sure thing...
 

JLM

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Not sure where this goes, so I am putting it here.

According to the following article parent packed school lunches reach temperatures during the day that make them unsafe to eat. The article is not very long so I am posting it in its entirety so you need not go to the link.
Children's packed lunches too warm to be safe: study

Aug 9 (Reuters Life!) - Tests of more than 700 preschoolers' packed lunches found that fewer than 2 percent of the meats, vegetables and dairy products were cool enough to be safe, according to a U.S. study.
One in six U.S. residents gets food poisoning every year, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), but it is unclear how many cases are caused by lukewarm sack lunches.
The study by Fawaz Almansour, a doctoral student at the University of Texas in Austin, was the first to check how the food that children take to school is doing in terms of health about ninety minutes before they eat it.
"It was a shock when we discovered that more than 90 percent of the perishable items in these packed lunches were kept at unsafe temperatures," Almansour said.
According to his study, published in Pediatrics, some 705 lunches packed by parents for children in full-time daycare centers were checked for the temperature of perishable food items and the number of ice packs included.
The CDC says that perishable foods kept between 4 to 60 degrees Celsius (40 and 140 degrees Fahrenheit) for more than two hours are no longer safe to eat.
Some 39 percent of the lunches had no ice packs, while 45 percent had at least one. Some 12 percent were kept in refrigerators.
Still, 88.2 percent of lunches were at ambient temperatures.
"Even with multiple ice packs, the majority of lunch items were at unsafe temperatures," Almansour and colleagues wrote.
Almansour said the study had been an "eye-opener."
"It shows there is a problem," he added, recommending that lunches be packed with lots of ice packs and refrigerated once the children arrive at school.

Children's packed lunches too warm to be safe: study | Reuters

Having read the article I am wondering if this is not another case of over reacting to a practice that has been going on for decades. After all during the era that I attended school (the 1950s and 60s) refrigeration of a school lunch simply did not happen. No one worried about the danger of the school lunches packed by our mothers and yet I do not remember any cases of food poisoning. Of course, perhaps we were poisoned and simply thought that we had a case of the flu or some other stomach disorder.

I know where I'd put it.........................in the closest place where the sun don't shine to the person who wrote it! (But then I grew up (to be healthy) without things like refrigeration)!
 
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How many pairs of shoes and coats do you have to buy him? I suspect you should give the kid some credit.

He does not lose something everyday. But more days than not he will forget or lose something at school. Sometimes he brings it back later, sometimes he doesn't. I can pretty much guarentee he will lose a pair of shoes, a jacket, and a backback this school year at least once. Its not ideal but is a part of his condition (of which I will not discuss here).

I was not assigning credit or blame on my son. My point is that I accept that he will lose stuff, but I choose not to give him another opportunity to lose stuff when a satisfactory alternative (a bag) can be used instead.
 

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It's too bad that things can't be labelled somehow, say with a kid's name, and the school could have some place, call it, I dunno, lost and found, where stuff left behind could be collected.
 

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It's too bad that things can't be labelled somehow, say with a kid's name, and the school could have some place, call it, I dunno, lost and found, where stuff left behind could be collected.

LOL

Strangely, not all items make it to the lost and found even if they have his name on them.
 

karrie

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He does not lose something everyday. But more days than not he will forget or lose something at school. Sometimes he brings it back later, sometimes he doesn't. I can pretty much guarentee he will lose a pair of shoes, a jacket, and a backback this school year at least once. Its not ideal but is a part of his condition (of which I will not discuss here).

I was not assigning credit or blame on my son. My point is that I accept that he will lose stuff, but I choose not to give him another opportunity to lose stuff when a satisfactory alternative (a bag) can be used instead.

I have a highly disorganized son as well, but even so, I can't imagine all the plastic spoons, ziploc bags, and assorted other disposables, being a satisfactory alternative to a reusable bag, containers, and utensils.
 

CDNBear

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Dear gawd, how did we manage to make it this far without being killed off by our careless mothers?

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