Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Show me the statistics that say Israel attacks Palestine WITHOUT CAUSE 5 times more than Palestine attacks Israel. I'd love to see it aeon.

No probleme.

3,978 Palestinians and 1,084 Israelis have been killed since September 29, 2000.

121 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 734 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

30,182 Palestinians and 7,633 Israelis
have been injured since September 29, 2000.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 9,599 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.

60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements

That's your opinion, the international community has a different view aeon. Self-induced suffering is not the fault of Israel and/or the West. You dub us retards, we choose to consider ourselves realists aeon. War is war, if Palestine doesn't like the ramifications then perhaps they should stop waging war on a bigger and better nation?

Itis not the palestinians who provoke all this mess, it is the israelis governement, they constantly destroyed everything they have to provoke more palestinians suicide bombers, to justified stealing more and more land


look at this, what the hell is wrong with morons like you are, seriously tell me, read this article.


http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=7/10/2006&Cat=2&Num=003

NEW YORK (BBC) - UN Secretary General Kofi Annan has demanded that Israel take urgent action to prevent a humanitarian disaster in the Gaza Strip.

Israeli jets continued to pound Gaza targets on Sunday in operations aimed at securing the release of a soldier captured by Palestinian militants.

They just don't care, they do it on purpurse, and guys like you still support them, shame on you.

Nice resposne aeon. You're just not big enough to admit i'm right. I love how when you don't have any retort you then dismiss anything i'm saying. Proving once again, you lack the ability for rational thought. That and you lack the ability to admit when you're wrong and/or beaten. Sit down aeon.


This is quickly turning from a debate in to you not being able to refute anything i'm saying. A sentance you might want to re-read what my previous post is this:


""Palestine on the other hand sets out to maliciously cause harm to non-combatants.""

All israel does is maliciously cause harm to innoncent people, damn are you that blind??

That is the difference between Israel and Palestine. Israel kills in self-defence. Palestine kills for the sake of killing. What do you have to say to that aeon?

Well then, i am done with you, you are an idiot at the highest level, and i will not continue to talk with you, because you are just a retard, who listen to our media tells you.

You have just proven aeon that you don't read my posts in full. I provided you a link, and I made a point to mention that those 18 deaths were ones i'd gone through the list of and grabbed quickly.

You didnt post a link.

Hahahaha I really don't need to prove myself to you aeon. Unlike you I deal in fact and truth, you on the other hand deal in lies and embellishment. I know what I did for seven months and I know what I didn't do. I don't need a website with pictures showing me digging a well to prove it. And I most certainly don't need a website with pictures showing ISAF rebuilding the Nation. That all being said, if you want "proof" on the ISAF development program then head over to the ISAF website. Every project they've undertaken is there, in fact i'm sure you'll find a few of the ones I worked on in their list as well. You want proof, do the leg work. Until then, you cannot deem that something isn't happening without ever being there aeon. Then again, this is coming from the same person who says that all of Quebec agrees with his stance on Palestine. You're a bullshitter aeon, a blatant liar, who as I pointed out before, has no integrity what so ever.

Prove it or shut up.

The second time in this post you've proven you don't even read my posts. I provided you with a link to his speech It's Osama Bin Laden and it was posted on your most repsect Aljazeerah news agency. So once again, i'll post the link like I did in my other post:

Link

There, that easy enough for you to follow?

It has nothing to do with a simple military rally aeon. First and foremost they do not represent a legitimate Iraqi Government. Secondly they're not an organized Army. They're a group of religious fanatics, as this part of his quote highlights

You are God's trusted soldiers

I think that sums it up nicely aeon. They feel they're doing Gods work. Tell me where anyone in the West has ever said we're doing Gods work in Iraq and Afghanistan aeon?

That is the same bullshit as george w bush speech, and even our retards stephan harper, why don't you show the rest of the speech, which says the fighting is to get the occupation out of their country, nice try again, mr magoo.

Nice avoidance of my point aeon. The point I was making is that an Administration cannot just up and go to War. They have to support their reasons, the chief aspect of support is intelligence. Seeing as, according to you, the U.S. intelligence community didn't support the information being used, then technically the U.S. couldn't have gone to War. They had to have information to give to Congress to back up their claims, and if they did have information, it would have to be signed off by the intelligence agencies. Am I getting through to you aeon. Anything at all? A group of individuals cannot just up and decide to go to War. I don't know what dream World you live in, but the reality I inhabit has a U.S. Government with a system of checks and balances to prevent rogue leadership. Your retort?

Someone call George tenet from the cia, supported bush administration on wmd in iraq, not only george tenet supported wmd claimed, but also technically failed to protec americans on 9-11, i was expecting some kind of reprimand, but in fact, george tenet , received the liberty medal, funny isnt? it makess a lot of sense right?? of course for people who can't use their brain, it makes sense.

This kills me:

President Bush said: "The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach."

Some FYI aeon. A U2 flies too high to have fighter cover. The average service ceiling for a U2 is upwards of 95,000 feet. To my knowledge the U.S. does not have a fighter aircraft that can fly above 60,000 in a combat role. Myth busted.

Well it is not a secret that bush is an idiot in everything, however they wanted the war in iraq, at whatever cost, this is what it means.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

No probleme.

3,978 Palestinians and 1,084 Israelis have been killed since September 29, 2000.

121 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 734 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

30,182 Palestinians and 7,633 Israelis
have been injured since September 29, 2000.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 9,599 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 4,170 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since September 29, 2000.

60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements

You didn't show me one shred of evidence that proves that Israel willfully attacks innocents to cause harm to non-combatants. Your claim was that Israel attacks Palestine 5 times more than Palestine attacks Israel with the intention of killing innocents. I'm still waiting for that proof aeon. You can throw numbers at me about how many Palestinians are in jail, etc etc, but ask yourself aeon WHY are they in jail. The vast majority were caught in restricted areas and/or picked up attempting to launch attacks against Israel, they belong in jail, I say let them rot. Now back to the matter at had. You've show me no proof to substantiate your claim that Israel launches 5 times as many attacks (with the intention to kill civilians) than Palestine does. So either show me the "proof" or shut up.

Itis not the palestinians who provoke all this mess, it is the israelis governement, they constantly destroyed everything they have to provoke more palestinians suicide bombers, to justified stealing more and more land


look at this, what the hell is wrong with morons like you are, seriously tell me, read this article.

Actually yeah it is aeon; rocket attacks against civilian targets, suicide bombings. What are those aeon. Answer for me what purpose those attacks against civilians serve? Answer this question

As for your link: "Tehran conference announces all-out support for Iraq ". What the hell does that have to do with anything? Remember what I said about keeping this conversation relevent aeon? Please try.

They just don't care, they do it on purpurse, and guys like you still support them, shame on you.

Yup, I do support them. And if Palestinians are killed, I don't care because they control the people who abducted the soldier. As i've said all along; I have no time for people who generate their own misfortune. Bomb away Israel

All israel does is maliciously cause harm to innoncent people, damn are you that blind??

Militants are not innocent people aeon. While I have admitted that civilians are killed (which is a shame), Palestine purposely goes out to target innocents. That is their mandate, killing Israelis. So unless you can somehow argue that Palestine doesn't target civilians, I think i've just won this aspect of the debate as you're no longer contributing anything to it.

Well then, i am done with you, you are an idiot at the highest level, and i will not continue to talk with you, because you are just a retard, who listen to our media tells you.

Ok. So then i've won this debate as you're pulling out? Excellent. That said, the media doesn't make me think anything. My education and/or anything I witness for myself controls what I believe and think. I think Palestine is out to destroy Israel. I think Israel has a right to defend itself.

You didnt post a link.

Yes I did aeon, in fact here's a screen shot of the post with the link:

Screenshot

Now here's the link, posted again:

Link

Savy?

Prove it or shut up.

No, as a matter of fact I won't shut up. I dug wells, yes I did. I did a lot of good things while I was in Afghanistan, because our mission is about rebuilding and securing Afghanistan. Now let me pose this to you. Prove that Canada ISN'T in Afghanistan to do good or shut up. See what I did there? See? I flipped it around on you. So aeon, while I cannot prove to you I dug a well (actually 11 but who's counting), in fact I can't even prove to you I went to Afghanistan (not without compromising who I am that is), I guess in theory you've won. I say in theory because A. the ISAF website chronicles what goes on in Afghanistan, so that is some proof (albeit it proves nothing about me myself, but I don't care) and B. You cannot prove that I didn't dig wells and that we aren't helping Afghanistan. So as the old cliche goes "innocent until proven guilty", we're there to fix Afghanistan aeon, I was there once, and i'll be going back, and i'm sure i'll help dig more wells. Can you prove I wasn't there and can you prove we aren't helping? I thought not. Sit down.

That is the same bullshit as george w bush speech, and even our retards stephan harper, why don't you show the rest of the speech, which says the fighting is to get the occupation out of their country, nice try again, mr magoo.

Actually it's not aeon. We don't call ourselves the "soldiers of God". As for getting the occupiers out, that isn't their right aeon. They aren't a legitimate Government and/or Army therefore they aren't allowed to decide who stays and who goes. Afghanistan has asked Canada to remain there to fix their Nation, yet Al-qaeda (being nothing more than a terrorist organization) wants us out. That's akin to me saying that Quebec has to seperate from Canada. As much as i'd love to ditch that waste of a Province, my stance means nothing because I am not the governing body of Canada. They can call us "occupiers", but their Government wants us there. Simple, effective, reality aeon.

Someone call George tenet from the cia, supported bush administration on wmd in iraq, not only george tenet supported wmd claimed, but also technically failed to protec americans on 9-11, i was expecting some kind of reprimand, but in fact, george tenet , received the liberty medal, funny isnt? it makess a lot of sense right?? of course for people who can't use their brain, it makes sense.

So you've got one guy who worked with Bush? Possibly? Explain to me then how Bush and his Adminsistration passed the checks and balances and got the ok to go to war?

Well it is not a secret that bush is an idiot in everything, however they wanted the war in iraq, at whatever cost, this is what it means.

Actually it means your sources and the people providing this info are morons aeon.

That said, are you done with me now? Have I won here? Can I pop the victory champaign? Or do you have more to blather on about?

 

[ceegar]

Illegal occupation. Under international obligations its illegal to rule or occupy a foreign land. So therefore no.

It's not foreign. It's Judea. Jews are Judeans.

It most certainly is foreign considering they are not original jews anyway. They have been occupying that land ever since they arrived there. Research this FACT and you will KNOW it to be true.

Peace.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

You didn't show me one shred of evidence that proves that Israel willfully attacks innocents to cause harm to non-combatants. Your claim was that Israel attacks Palestine 5 times more than Palestine attacks Israel with the intention of killing innocents. I'm still waiting for that proof aeon. You can throw numbers at me about how many Palestinians are in jail, etc etc, but ask yourself aeon WHY are they in jail. The vast majority were caught in restricted areas and/or picked up attempting to launch attacks against Israel, they belong in jail, I say let them rot. Now back to the matter at had. You've show me no proof to substantiate your claim that Israel launches 5 times as many attacks (with the intention to kill civilians) than Palestine does. So either show me the "proof" or shut up.

According to geneva convention, targeting electrical plant, water infrastructure, is a war crime, article 54

“Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is prohibited”. It is also “prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population"

Article 51 of the protocol forbids

“an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.”

Actually yeah it is aeon; rocket attacks against civilian targets, suicide bombings. What are those aeon. Answer for me what purpose those attacks against civilians serve? Answer this question

As for your link: "Tehran conference announces all-out support for Iraq ". What the hell does that have to do with anything? Remember what I said about keeping this conversation relevent aeon? Please try.

How many peoples are dead from the rockets?

Why do you think palestinians becomes suicidal bombers?Satan, came down on earth and took palestinians souls and make them their servents?? or could it they are desperate to death??

Strange, it is from the same website, but a different article, here is the good one.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=7/10/2006&Cat=2&Num=003

Militants are not innocent people aeon. While I have admitted that civilians are killed (which is a shame), Palestine purposely goes out to target innocents. That is their mandate, killing Israelis. So unless you can somehow argue that Palestine doesn't target civilians, I think i've just won this aspect of the debate as you're no longer contributing anything to it.

Destroying electrical power plant, bombing bridge, which serve to palestinians needs, is targeting innoncent peoples, and at the same time, a war crime.

Ok. So then i've won this debate as you're pulling out? Excellent. That said, the media doesn't make me think anything. My education and/or anything I witness for myself controls what I believe and think. I think Palestine is out to destroy Israel. I think Israel has a right to defend itself.

:roll:

Yes I did aeon, in fact here's a screen shot of the post with the link:

Screenshot

Now here's the link, posted again:

Link

Savy?

You didnt post it , at the right place, this is what you wrote

Mogz wrote:

Uh, no it wasn't aeon. Here are some more:


January 15 2005: An Israeli child living on a settlement was injured from a Qassam rocket, losing his hand. In the afternoon, a Qassam rocket hit Sderot and wounded 6 people. An Israeli 17-years-old woman suffered critical wounds. Hamas claimed responsibility.
January 31 2005: 2 people suffered shock injuries as 7 mortar shells hit Neve Dekalim settlement in the Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility saying the shooting was in revenge for the killing of a 10-years-old girl in Rafah earlier this morning. Palestinians initially claimed she was killed by an IDF tank shell but it was letter revealed that she was killed by Palestinian pilgrims, who shot spontaneously into the air.
February 28 2005: Two Israelis are wounded by a Palestinian shooting attack East of the city of Modi'in.
April 18 2005: Two Israelis, one engineering NCO and one civilian, were wounded by a Palestinian sniper attack on Philadelphi Route of southern Gaza. The Popular Resistance Committees claimed responsibility.
May 16 2005: Four Israeli construction workers were injured by a Palestinian anti-tank rocket attack on Philadelphi Route.
June 24 2005: An Israeli teenager, Avichay Levi (17), is killed and four others are injured after a shooting attack from a Palestinian car in Beit Haggai junction south of Hebron. The Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.
June 26 2005: Avi Mantzur (16), who was critically injured in the June 24 Beit Haggai attack, dies from his wounds.
July 14 2005: One Israeli woman was killed after the Palestinian militant groups Hamas and Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades fired a barrage of more than a dozen Qassam rockets over Israeli settlements inside and outside the Gaza Strip.
August 24 2005:A Palestinian stabs two Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, killing one and injuring the other.
October 16 2005: 2 drive-by shootings in the West Bank after a reasonably peaceful time in the region, the first in gush atzion junction near Hebron killing 3 Israeli civilians and wounding 3, the second in Alie junction in Binyamin settlement causing one teenager to be seriously wounded.
October 26 2005: 5 Israli killed and 30 wounded in a suicide bombing in Hadera's open air market.
December 5 2005: A suicide bomber killed himself and at least five israelis in a shopping mall in Netanya. Both Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility.


That is just 2005, and only the ones I ran through and grabbed quickly aeon. There are litterally dozens upon dozens of attacks. They're all there in that link I gave to you a few posts back. Only a few months in 2005 resulted in no civilian deaths, every month resulted in IDF deaths. Do you deem those attacks "isolated" incidents aeon? Or better yet, conducive to lasting peace?

aeon wrote:

with no link?

No, as a matter of fact I won't shut up. I dug wells, yes I did. I did a lot of good things while I was in Afghanistan, because our mission is about rebuilding and securing Afghanistan. Now let me pose this to you. Prove that Canada ISN'T in Afghanistan to do good or shut up. See what I did there? See? I flipped it around on you. So aeon, while I cannot prove to you I dug a well (actually 11 but who's counting), in fact I can't even prove to you I went to Afghanistan (not without compromising who I am that is), I guess in theory you've won. I say in theory because A. the ISAF website chronicles what goes on in Afghanistan, so that is some proof (albeit it proves nothing about me myself, but I don't care) and B. You cannot prove that I didn't dig wells and that we aren't helping Afghanistan. So as the old cliche goes "innocent until proven guilty", we're there to fix Afghanistan aeon, I was there once, and i'll be going back, and i'm sure i'll help dig more wells. Can you prove I wasn't there and can you prove we aren't helping? I thought not. Sit down.

Whatever, you are trying to say something that the media would have jump on it, to prove that canadians forces are in afganisthan for the good reasons, but never did.

Actually it's not aeon. We don't call ourselves the "soldiers of God". As for getting the occupiers out, that isn't their right aeon. They aren't a legitimate Government and/or Army therefore they aren't allowed to decide who stays and who goes. Afghanistan has asked Canada to remain there to fix their Nation, yet Al-qaeda (being nothing more than a terrorist organization) wants us out. That's akin to me saying that Quebec has to seperate from Canada. As much as i'd love to ditch that waste of a Province, my stance means nothing because I am not the governing body of Canada. They can call us "occupiers", but their Government wants us there. Simple, effective, reality aeon.

Lol, you are funny, look what Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence, has to say about this war on terror

"We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this,"

Lol, what a moron i should say, right?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1016-01.htm

So you've got one guy who worked with Bush? Possibly? Explain to me then how Bush and his Adminsistration passed the checks and balances and got the ok to go to war?

Easy, scare the americans and the congress even by claiming, that saddam had nuclear weapons, or about to have them, and even succeeded to make the illusion saddam was involved in 9-11, result? 70% americans believed saddam was behind 9-11.

Actually it means your sources and the people providing this info are morons aeon.

That said, are you done with me now? Have I won here? Can I pop the victory champaign? Or do you have more to blather on about?

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  I know they are morons, no doubt about it, the source is the white house, who released the white house memo.

 

[Just the Facts]

It most certainly is foreign considering they are not original jews anyway. They have been occupying that land ever since they arrived there. Research this FACT and you will KNOW it to be true.

Peace.

This point has already been raised in this thread. It is not controversial: (Bolded here for emphasis)

Wait a minute just fairy tail, the great majority of jews in israel started to immigrate in the begining of 1900

Of course that's true. Even since before 1900. Same is true of Arabs...most who were "expelled" in 1948 were also recent arrivals.

 

[aeon]

It most certainly is foreign considering they are not original jews anyway. They have been occupying that land ever since they arrived there. Research this FACT and you will KNOW it to be true.

Peace.

This point has already been raised in this thread. It is not controversial: (Bolded here for emphasis)

Wait a minute just fairy tail, the great majority of jews in israel started to immigrate in the begining of 1900

Of course that's true. Even since before 1900. Same is true of Arabs...most who were "expelled" in 1948 were also recent arrivals.

Not at all, there was about 5% of jew in palestine, 80% of arabs in the begining of 1900,today it is 78% of jew, 17% of arabs.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

I thought you were done with me? Anyway:

According to geneva convention, targeting electrical plant, water infrastructure, is a war crime, article 54

Ah aeon, when will you learn not to argue with those well versed in a typical subject matter. As a soldier it is my JOB to understand the Geneva Convention and/or the Rules of Armed Conflict. The Geneva convention deals with the willful conduct of actions. By-products of armed conflict are not held up to the Geneva Convetion and/or the Rules of Armed Conflict. Now you claim that Israel purposely targets electrical plants and water infrastructure? First off, a power plant is not protected by Article 54, as power is not a necessity. Secondly the Geneva Convention states:

drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works, for the specific purpose of denying them for their sustenance value to the civilian population or to the adverse Party

Prove to me that Israel WILLFULLY destroys these locations and i'll concede this particular point. Your retort?

How many peoples are dead from the rockets?

Why do you think palestinians becomes suicidal bombers?Satan, came down on earth and took palestinians souls and make them their servents?? or could it they are desperate to death??

Strange, it is from the same website, but a different article, here is the good one.

aeon, you said you were a soldier once right? After that last statement i'm going to publically call you a liar. If you were (an armored soldier I believe you said you were) you'd be well versed in Urban Conflict and Fighting in Built Up Areas (aka FIBUA). If that were the case, you'd know that when faced with urban conflict, a military cannot, I say again, cannot minimize the civilian casualty rate to zero it is just not possible. During the initial phases of the Iraq War, the United States Army (the experts in FIBUA) estimated that a staggering 49.5% of their engagements would result in civilian death and/or wounding. As a result only 15.3% resulted in civilian casualties, but my point is that no military can bring the risk to none. When Israel picks up a rocket attack, they are obligated under their right to defend themselves to respond in force. If they kill a Palestinian, so be it, a casualty of War.

I would like to point out this part of Article 51 you quoted:

“an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.”

If an IDF Apache gunship knocks out a rocket battery and kills a few Palestinians, that, in the military World (as you would know if you were actually a soldier) would be deemd acceptable as the threat was neutralized. The military thought line on this is; "if it was a rocket battery, why were civilians present"? To as I said above, casualties of War. If you want to hang around a rocket site and wait for the hellfire from the Apache to hit, your choice, you're the moron, not the IDF.

Destroying electrical power plant, bombing bridge, which serve to palestinians needs, is targeting innoncent peoples, and at the same time, a war crime.

Knocking out a power plant or destroying a bridge is not a war crime aeon. You may want to actually bone up on the Geneva Convention and the Rules of Armed Conflict before arguing them with me.

:roll:

Nice retort aeon.

You didnt post it , at the right place, this is what you wrote

Nice attempt at recovering from looking like a tool. Ok fine, I linked you to 2002 instead of 2004. The fact that you were able to notice that yourself belies the fact that you were quite capable of switching the page to 2004 and therefore were either A: too lazy to do so or B: (and the more likely reason) were out to lunch on the link issue and tried to tell me I hadn't posted one. Survey says? B.

Whatever, you are trying to say something that the media would have jump on it, to prove that canadians forces are in afganisthan for the good reasons, but never did.

Do you even watch the news? And i'm not talking about going to some far wing loser website where everyone talks about Bush and how he's the devil. I'm talking about actual journalism? You know what, you probably don't. So i'll bring the "proof" to you aeon (and anyone else reading this). Read the captions below each picture. They tell you exactly what we're doing in Afghanistan (beside fighting):

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Do I really need to continue aeon? Do me a favour, read all of those so you can finally shut up about us not helping. Get informed aeon. If you want more "proof" i've got a truck load.

Lol, you are funny, look what Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence, has to say about this war on terror

So you've got one man that is a jesus freak, and i've got a half decade of watching Islamic militants on CNN claiming to be religious soldiers. Which is more logical aeon? Then again logic is a foreign concept to you.

Easy, scare the americans and the congress even by claiming, that saddam had nuclear weapons, or about to have them, and even succeeded to make the illusion saddam was involved in 9-11, result? 70% americans believed saddam was behind 9-11.

That still doesn't work aeon. Congress cannot be "scared" in to going to War. Before they rubber stamp an Operation they require proof. Where did the proof come from aeon?

Now lets get down to the fact you didn't answer 3 of my questions:

1.

Actually yeah it is aeon; rocket attacks against civilian targets, suicide bombings. What are those aeon. Answer for me what purpose those attacks against civilians serve?

Care to answer that?

2.

Explain to me then how Bush and his Adminsistration passed the checks and balances and got the ok to go to war?

And that one

3.

Can you prove I wasn't there and can you prove we aren't helping?

Piss or get off the pot. Prove me wrong or sit down.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

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Ah aeon, when will you learn not to argue with those well versed in a typical subject matter. As a soldier it is my JOB to understand the Geneva Convention and/or the Rules of Armed Conflict. The Geneva convention deals with the willful conduct of actions. By-products of armed conflict are not held up to the Geneva Convetion and/or the Rules of Armed Conflict. Now you claim that Israel purposely targets electrical plants and water infrastructure? First off, a power plant is not protected by Article 54, as power is not a necessity. Secondly the Geneva Convention states:

Well you just proved not only you are retarded, but also you don't even understand the geneva convention, yes targeting power plant, where 750 000 palestinians depends on, is a war crime


http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE150612006

Deliberate attacks by Israeli forces against civilian property and infrastructure in the Gaza Strip violate international humanitarian law and constitute war crimes, Amnesty International said today.

Amnesty international, are quite better place than you , to say it is a war crime, it is their job.

aeon, you said you were a soldier once right? After that last statement i'm going to publically call you a liar. If you were (an armored soldier I believe you said you were) you'd be well versed in Urban Conflict and Fighting in Built Up Areas (aka FIBUA). If that were the case, you'd know that when faced with urban conflict, a military cannot, I say again, cannot minimize the civilian casualty rate to zero it is just not possible. During the initial phases of the Iraq War, the United States Army (the experts in FIBUA) estimated that a staggering 49.5% of their engagements would result in civilian death and/or wounding. As a result only 15.3% resulted in civilian casualties, but my point is that no military can bring the risk to none. When Israel picks up a rocket attack, they are obligated under their right to defend themselves to respond in force. If they kill a Palestinian, so be it, a casualty of War.

I asked you simple question , and you came up with something completly irrelevent, what's wrong with you?

Also, the us army never estimate that a staggering of 49.5% of their engagement would result in civilian death.

If an IDF Apache gunship knocks out a rocket battery and kills a few Palestinians, that, in the military World (as you would know if you were actually a soldier) would be deemd acceptable as the threat was neutralized. The military thought line on this is; "if it was a rocket battery, why were civilians present"? To as I said above, casualties of War. If you want to hang around a rocket site and wait for the hellfire from the Apache to hit, your choice, you're the moron, not the IDF.

That is a pretty ignorant statetement.

Knocking out a power plant or destroying a bridge is not a war crime aeon. You may want to actually bone up on the Geneva Convention and the Rules of Armed Conflict before arguing them with me.

Yes it is.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE150612006

Deliberate attacks by Israeli forces against civilian property and infrastructure in the Gaza Strip violate international humanitarian law and constitute war crimes, Amnesty International said today.

The deliberate destruction of the Gaza Strip’s only electricity power station, water networks, bridges, roads and other infrastructure is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and has major and long-term humanitarian consequences for the 1.5 million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip.

Do you even watch the news? And i'm not talking about going to some far wing loser website where everyone talks about Bush and how he's the devil. I'm talking about actual journalism? You know what, you probably don't. So i'll bring the "proof" to you aeon (and anyone else reading this). Read the captions below each picture. They tell you exactly what we're doing in Afghanistan (beside fighting):

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Do I really need to continue aeon? Do me a favour, read all of those so you can finally shut up about us not helping. Get informed aeon. If you want more "proof" i've got a truck load.

Well you said

we've built water purification plants, pumping stations, power stations, post offices, schools, houses, and police stations. We funded the construction of the ANA Base in Kabul, and provided them military material. No aeon, we've done a hell of a lot more than "nothing at all". We've done more for Afghans than you'll ever know.

Nothing on your link, support the claim you said, yes it is cool that our military give medical aid to afgan, yes it is cool we provide ressource to support governement institution, we provide security, but that is about it, nothing in what you claim is on the process or even done.

So you've got one man that is a jesus freak, and i've got a half decade of watching Islamic militants on CNN claiming to be religious soldiers. Which is more logical aeon? Then again logic is a foreign concept to you.

Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence at the pentagone, what those islamic militant on cnn, has in common with this guy? do they represent a specific country?

That still doesn't work aeon. Congress cannot be "scared" in to going to War. Before they rubber stamp an Operation they require proof. Where did the proof come from aeon?

There was no proof at all, they started to undermined joseph wilson work, to discredit him that there was no uranium purchased by iraq, they constantly bombs the congress with stupidity like saddam has nuclear weapons, in every speech of bush, on the first line he talks about 9-11, the second line alquada, and then saddam hussein, making the impression that he was involved, that is the way it was presented, and then George tenet, based on absotly nothing, said the wmd was a slam dunk

Tenet has come under fire in recent months for having assured Bush before last year's invasion of Iraq that Iraqi president Saddam Hussein harbored weapons of mass destruction, a key justification for the decision to go to war.

According to a new book by Bob Woodward, "Plan of Attack," Tenet told Bush before the war that it was a "slam-dunk" that Hussein possessed the banned weapons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12296-2004Jun3.html

Now lets get down to the fact you didn't answer 3 of my questions:
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Actually yeah it is aeon; rocket attacks against civilian targets, suicide bombings. What are those aeon. Answer for me what purpose those attacks against civilians serve?

Care to answer that?


No problem, it does serve absotly nothing, but could it be the reason why they are desperate to do it? do you seriously think Satan came down on earth and took palestinians souls to make them their servent? or could it be just the result of israeli policy? why those palestinians who are in montreal doesnt blow themselves?

because they have human rights in here, simple as that.

 

[Just the Facts]

today it is 78% of jew, 17% of arabs.

Nonsense, Israel alone is not even 78% Jewish. You're not even counting Gaza and the west bank, let alone Jordon. I'll assume you misread the statistics, and would not deliberately attempt to mislead the casual reader.

 

[aeon]

today it is 78% of jew, 17% of arabs.

Nonsense, Israel alone is not even 78% Jewish. You're not even counting Gaza and the west bank, let alone Jordon. I'll assume you misread the statistics, and would not deliberately attempt to mislead the casual reader.

Yes today, israel, not the entire land with palestine, is 78% of jew , 17% of arabs

 

[Mogz]

Well you just proved not only you are retarded, but also you don't even understand the geneva convention, yes targeting power plant, where 750 000 palestinians depends on, is a war crime

Actually i'm not retarded aeon, I have a full set of chromosomes. That said, I understand the Geneva Convention and all articles within fully. A power plant is not a necessity, by any stretch of the imagination. You do not need electricity to survive. Food, water, and a shelter are the basics of human survival, not power aeon. Might want to re-read Article 54 again, there is NO mention of power in it. You know what, I think i'll post it to publically prove you wrong:

Article 54. Protection of objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population

1. Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is prohibited.
2. It is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works, for the specific purpose of denying them for their sustenance value to the civilian population or to the adverse Party, whatever the motive, whether in order to starve out civilians, to cause them to move away, or for any other motive.
3. The prohibitions in paragraph 2 shall not apply to such of the objects covered by it as are used by an adverse Party:
(a) As sustenance solely for the members of its armed forces; or

(b) If not as sustenance, then in direct support of military action, provided, however, that in no event shall actions against these objects be taken which may be expected to leave the civilian population with such inadequate food or water as to cause its starvation or force its movement.
4. These objects shall not be made the object of reprisals.
5. In recognition of the vital requirements of any Party to the conflict in the defence of its national territory against invasion, derogation from the prohibitions contained in paragraph 2 may be made by a Party to the conflict within such territory under its own control where required by imperative military necessity.

No mention of power what so ever aeon. Why? Because power is NOT key to human survival. As a "previous soldier" (you lie by the way), you'd have known that. I spent three (3) weeks in the middle of Gagetown Newbrunswick in a foxhole with no power and i'm still alive. Myth busted. Stop lying aeon, you're getting out of control.

Amnesty international, are quite better place than you , to say it is a war crime, it is their job.

Amnesty international are a fucking joke. They're a bunch of bleeding hearts just like you, who pick and choose what they deem is wrong. Do they dub a suicide bombing on a civilian bus as a war crime? I doubt it.

I asked you simple question , and you came up with something completly irrelevent, what's wrong with you?

Also, the us army never estimate that a staggering of 49.5% of their engagement would result in civilian death.

That's the pot calling the kettle black there buddy. Irrelevance is a handle you're applied to this conversation because i've put a spin on it you can't refute. Here's why. You said:

How many peoples are dead from the rockets?

Why do you think palestinians becomes suicidal bombers?Satan, came down on earth and took palestinians souls and make them their servents?? or

could it they are desperate to death??

I merely pointed out that if you were a soldier, which you weren't, but if you were, you'd know that when engaged in a military operation in a built up area, casualties will occur. There is no way Israel can reduce the risk of killing innocents to zero. Do they target them on purpose? No. They target militant targets and happen to hit civilians. That meshes perfectly with what you said. You then went on to quote from the Geneva Convetion:

“an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.”

I then pointed out in FIBUA, that civilian casualties do not negate the effectivness of a defence retaliation. If they were truely civilian, why were they present at a military target? Your retort?

That is a pretty ignorant statetement.

It's reality aeon. When the Canadian Army deploys, we don't inter-mesh civilians with our artillery batteries. We don't use civilians as human shields. If the Palestinian people want to mingle around targets of opportunity (ToO), then they've put their fate in the hands of the IDF retaliating against agression. Not my fault they're morons. Call me ignorant, I say i'm realistic.

Yes it is.

Hey aeon, Amnesty International does not decide what is a war crime. The grounds for deeming an action a war crime are based in and around the 3rd Geneva Convention of 1949. Show me in the Geneva Convetion where knocking out a power station and/or a bridge is a war crime? That said, if it WERE a war crime (taking out bridges), this Nation would be guilty. We knocked out dozens of Serbian bridges, power plants, roads, etc, during the 1998 NATO airstrikes against Serbia. In fact, the first aircraft to drop bombs on Serbia were twenty-four (24) Canadian CF-18s. They bombed two key bridges and a generating sub-station, as well as two army depots. So aeon. Prove to me (with the Geneva Convetion) that taking out a bridge and/or power station is a war crime. You can't, because it isn't.

Nothing on your link, support the claim you said, yes it is cool that our military give medical aid to afgan, yes it is cool we provide ressource to support governement institution, we provide security, but that is about it, nothing in what you claim is on the process or even done.

Oh my god, you're splitting hairs now. First off, in two of those pictures there's talk of funding a new police station. That said, chew on this:

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The caption of that one above reads:

The Civil Military Cooperation team (CIMIC) is responsible for implementing small level infrastructure projects, such as the renovations to schools and the construction of wells.

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The caption of that one above reads:

Warrant Officer André Pinard (centre) and Master Corporal Pierre Duhaime (right) of the 52nd Combat Engineer Squadron, attached to the 3rd Battalion Royal 22nd Regiment Battalion Group (3 R22eR Bn Gp), talking with a teacher at the Emani School to determine what kind of rebuilding assistance the school requires. The Emani School is located in the Canadian area of responsibility in Kabul, Afghanistan.

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The caption of that one above reads:

Major Richard Sneddon, Officer Commanding the Civil-Military Cooperation Team (CIMIC) from the 3rd Battalion Royal 22nd Regiment Battalion Group (3 R22eR Bn Gp) receives flowers from an elder of the village of Qali-Fatah during the dedication of a well pump-house.

I think that pretty much sums it up aeon. Or are you thirsty for more? You have no idea what we're doing over there, and you sit here in Canada, a typical ingrate, and deem that we're not doing anything. Even when someone who's been there says otherwise.

There was no proof at all, they started to undermined joseph wilson work, to discredit him that there was no uranium purchased by iraq, they constantly bombs the congress with stupidity like saddam has nuclear weapons, in every speech of bush, on the first line he talks about 9-11, the second line alquada, and then saddam hussein, making the impression that he was involved, that is the way it was presented, and then George tenet, based on absotly nothing, said the wmd was a slam dunk

So no proof. Then why did congress give the ok for the United States to go to War?

No problem, it does serve absotly nothing,

Exactly. Religious zealots with the blood of their own people on their hands.

P.S. You never answered the other two questions:

Explain to me then how Bush and his Adminsistration passed the checks and balances and got the ok to go to war?

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Can you prove I wasn't there and can you prove we aren't helping?

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

Truth be told, the Israeli Army is one of the best on the planet, and if you incur their wrath, you do so at your own peril.

Oooh. Those scary Israelis. The British would pummell them into the ground and then have tea at 5pm. Israel is only the size of Wales.

The Israeli's could steamroll Palestine in days, yet overly bright....

Thanks to all those American Apache helicopters and tanks that the Israelis have.

 

[Blackleaf]

Illegal occupation. Under international obligations its illegal to rule or occupy a foreign land. So therefore no.

It's not foreign. It's Judea. Jews are Judeans.

By that reckoning, the British could invade Saxony and Denmark and a few other places in that area, kick out all the inhabitants, and then live there and say that "We are Anglo-Saxons. This is our historical home."

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

More so than Palestine. An ass-backwards group of people still living in the stoneage.

How is that their fault? Palestine is a poor country, but that in NO WAY makes the Palestinians stupid and not very bright.

You consider people who dress up infants as suicide bombers as being a "bright" group aeon?

But when they have no military to speak of, and they are coming up against a nation who is armed with the latest hi-tech American weapons, how are they supposed to defend themselves without using suicide bombers? Use water pistols and water bombs?

 

[Blackleaf]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Remember how the Jews wandered around for along time in the desert, waiting to be allowed into the Promise land? That Promise Land was Israel.

What a load of Biblical nonsense. Why is it that only dumb Americans and Canadians believe all this tosh? It's just like those 100-odd million Yanks and Canucks who believe the world was created in 6 days only a few thousand years ago.

Once they got there it was theirs...And it always has been,

Israel was only created by the British as a "thank-you" to a Jewish scientist who helped us to build our first nuclear bomb.

In the 1940s, the British Army and British politicians were the victims of JEWISH suicide bombers who demanded a Jewish state in the Middle East. Yeah, those "intelligent, nice, lovely, peace-loving" Jews strapped bombs around their waists and killed British soldiers.

 

[Blackleaf]

Mogz that is the most stupid comments i have ever heard come out of you yet. People just seem to like to forget that Israeli is in the wrong as they are occupying and they have been occupying the West Bank and Gaza for 38 years, illegally. And the Palestinians don't have the money or the equipment to fight against one of the world's. So I am sorry that they have to throw rocks, they have to use bombs and their own bodies and you think they are from the stone age. Stupid just stupid.

You'll never get Americans to condemn Israel for anything. Despite America's size, America is Israel's poodle. Why? Because Jews run the United States. The US would not be able to function without its Jews. It's probably the most Jewish-dependent non-Jewish nation on Earth. To most people outside the US, it's embarrassing watching the US lick Israel's boots at every opportunity. It's like an elephant being bossed about by a mouse.

Americans always defend Israel and its people as though their life depends on it. Even after Israel deliberately bombed a US Navy warship in the 1960s the Americans are still in love with their Israeli master.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

Actually i'm not retarded aeon, I have a full set of chromosomes. That said, I understand the Geneva Convention and all articles within fully. A power plant is not a necessity, by any stretch of the imagination. You do not need electricity to survive. Food, water, and a shelter are the basics of human survival, not power aeon. Might want to re-read Article 54 again, there is NO mention of power in it. You know what, I think i'll post it to publically prove you wrong: No mention of power what so ever aeon. Why? Because power is NOT key to human survival

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Article 54. Protection of objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population

2. It is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works, for the specific purpose of denying them for their sustenance value to the civilian population or to the adverse Party, whatever the motive, whether in order to starve out civilians, to cause them to move away, or for any other motive.

Almost half of Gaza’s inhabitants are now without electricity and water supplies have also been cut in several areas both by the lack of electricity, necessary to operate the water pumps used to extract and deliver water, and by the destruction of water mains as a result of the bombings of bridges and roads.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE150612006



Next time think about it, before posting, it will help.

. As a "previous soldier" (you lie by the way), you'd have known that. I spent three (3) weeks in the middle of Gagetown Newbrunswick in a foxhole with no power and i'm still alive. Myth busted. Stop lying aeon, you're getting out of control.

I did my Radio operator QL3 course serial 8908, from 2 oct 1989 to 18 may 1990 in Kingston..In gagetown, which by the way, i've already been for a month and a half in august 1991, we had generators to make the radio work, plus we had plenty of food, already planned for the whole excercise.My recruit course no was 8842, completed on 12 th of january 1989.Do your own search, you will see i am not joking.

Amnesty international are a *censored* joke. They're a bunch of bleeding hearts just like you, who pick and choose what they deem is wrong. Do they dub a suicide bombing on a civilian bus as a war crime? I doubt it.

Well i know who is the joke beetween you and them, lol.


Look what amnesty international says about palestinians

"The hostage-taking of Corporal Gilad Shalit, and the killing of Eliyahu Asheri, the 18 year old settler, by Palestinian armed groups violate fundamental principles of international law. Corporal Gilad Shalit should be released immediately and unharmed."

"Both sides to this current stand-off should refrain from taking actions which violate international law and should take steps to provide redress for the abuses they have committed. The international community, also has an obligation under the Geneva Conventions, to act," said Amnesty International.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGMDE150612006

That's the pot calling the kettle black there buddy. Irrelevance is a handle you're applied to this conversation because i've put a spin on it you can't refute. Here's why. You said:

How many peoples are dead from the rockets?

Why do you think palestinians becomes suicidal bombers?Satan, came down on earth and took palestinians souls and make them their servents?? or

could it they are desperate to death??

I then pointed out in FIBUA, that civilian casualties do not negate the effectivness of a defence retaliation. If they were truely civilian, why were they present at a military target? Your retort?

Pretty ignorant statement, in your own word, palestinians should do absotly nothing,let their people dies, let their friends being savagely kick out of their land, in return, israel has a white card on everything, to come everywhere in palestine, and bomb everything they can, just because they suspect some terrorist to live in any area, they can kill whatever they want, just by suspecting, where most of the times it is civilians who pay the price, and you ask why so many extremist palestinians there is.

It's reality aeon. When the Canadian Army deploys, we don't inter-mesh civilians with your artillery batteries. We don't use civilians as human shields. If the Palestinian people want to mingle around targets of opportunity (ToP), then they've put their fate in the hands of the IDF retaliating against agression. Not my fault they're morons. Call me ignorant, I say i'm realistic.

Ignorant moron, fits better. You don't use civilians as human sheild but destroy civilian property in the name of this retarded war on terror.

Oh my god, you're splitting hairs now. First off, in two of those pictures there's talk of funding a new police station. That said, chew on this:

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we've built water purification plants, pumping stations, power stations, post offices, schools, houses, and police stations. We funded the construction of the ANA Base in Kabul, and provided them military material. No aeon, we've done a hell of a lot more than "nothing at all". We've done more for Afghans than you'll ever know.

already Built police station isnt the same as talking about funding New police station is it?

The rest of what you claim is nowhere near what you posted, nice try.

So no proof. Then why did congress give the ok for the United States to go to War?

Because George tenet who was head of the CIA, said, yes saddam has wmd, withouth a single shread of evidence, they were decided to go, at whatever cost, the white house memo proves it, same with richard clarke testimony.

P.S. You never answered the other two questions:

Can you prove I wasn't there and can you prove we aren't helping?

You certainly didnt do what you firstly claim, that is a fact, nice try.

Since you like to make sure i answer everything you ask, here is one from me


Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence at the pentagone, what those islamic militant on cnn, has in common with this guy? do they represent a specific country?

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

What a load of Biblical nonsense. Why is it that only dumb Americans and Canadians believe all this tosh? It's just like those 100-odd million Yanks and Canucks who believe the world was created in 6 days only a few thousand years ago.

Damn, what is wrong with you blackleaf?? did you swallow the truth pill? it is the first time, you make sense, wow 13th of july 2006, a date to remember.

In the 1940s, the British Army and British politicians were the victims of JEWISH suicide bombers who demanded a Jewish state in the Middle East. Yeah, those "intelligent, nice, lovely, peace-loving" Jews strapped bombs around their waists and killed British soldiers.

Are you sure of this?

You are right, i can't believe it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun —a militant Zionist group. The Irgun exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them civilians: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

Oooh. Those scary Israelis. The British would pummell them into the ground and then have tea at 5pm. Israel is only the size of Wales.

The British wouldn't do anything before consulting their masters... USA.

As much as you like to trash the US, remember your prime minister is Dubya's lackey for all intents & purposes.

 

[Mogz]

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That's your retort? In other words you cannot refute that power is not essential to human survival.

Next time think about it, before posting, it will help.

I have never disputed that water and/or water related items should not be attack ON PURPOSE. If a bridge is blown and it hits a main, that's part of warfare. As for electrical stations affecting pumping, that isn't the sole method for getting water out to the people. That all said and done however, your stance was that hitting power plants and/or roads/bridges is a war crime. I proved to you unequivocally that it most certainly isn't. Your retort?

I did my Radio operator QL3 course serial 8908, from 2 oct 1989 to 18 may 1990 in Kingston..In gagetown, which by the way, i've already been for a month and a half in august 1991, we had generators to make the radio work, plus we had plenty of food, already planned for the whole excercise.My recruit course no was 8842, completed on 12 th of january 1989.Do your own search, you will see i am not joking.

Anyone can throw out dates. Hey aeon, I was on the Assault Pioneer Course serial 0401 from x date to x date. Your views and or understanding of military concepts do not belie you ever wore a uniform. You have no concept of FIBUA, the Geneva Convention, or the Rules of Armed Conflict. If you WERE a soldier, did you simply fail to pay attention at all? Anyone in uniform (that has been trained fully) knows that knocking out a power station is NOT a war crime, hence why our Nation has knocked out power stations in numerous missions to further our offensive operations. As for Gagetown, if you WERE actually there, i'm happy you had power. I didn't during my exercise. I lived in a foxhole for 3 weeks in the middle of February, living off of hard rations. My point? I didn't need power to survive. Power is not essential to human existence, ergo disrupting power is not a war crime under Article 54 of the 3rd Geneva Convention.

Well i know who is the joke beetween you and them, lol.

This coming from the guy that claims to be on a personal knowledge level of everyone in the Province of Quebec. Sure buds.

Look what amnesty international says about palestinians

Exactly what i've been saying all along. Cause and effect. Palestine stops acting like morons, the IDF stops attacking them. Problem solved.

Pretty ignorant statement, in your own word, palestinians should do absotly nothing,let their people dies, let their friends being savagely kick out of their land, in return, israel has a white card on everything, to come everywhere in palestine, and bomb everything they can, just because they suspect some terrorist to live in any area, they can kill whatever they want, just by suspecting, where most of the times it is civilians who pay the price, and you ask why so many extremist palestinians there is.

Sounds like me, but with your ignorant spin on my words.

Ignorant moron, fits better. You don't use civilians as human sheild but destroy civilian property in the name of this retarded war on terror.

I personally never destroyed civilian property in Afghanistan. In fact we had very few cases of destroyed property. Yeah a few cars got hit in traffic accidents, and we kicked in a few doors (of weapons smugglers), but nothing major. Ok I lied, I did trample some flowers in a Kabul neighbourhood during the first month of my tour. In my defence it was night time and I had more important things to worry about i.e. being shot. So there, ok, i'm a big bad oppressor. I ruined some Afghans flowerbed during a night operation. I'm a dick.

already Built police station isnt the same as talking about funding New police station is it?

The rest of what you claim is nowhere near what you posted, nice try.

Now you are truely splitting hairs aeon. First off, that police station, was funded and built by us. Re-read the caption. It was brand new. You know what, i'll just bring the caption to you:

They are inspecting the construction site of Sub Station 9 which is a Canadian funded project to assist the police in Kandahar City.

So right there. Police station built. I also pointed out above schools; the refurbishment of schools and the expansion of schools by modular tentage. I posted a link to the dedication of a brand new pumping station. So I didn't spend my time finding pictures of us dedicating the generating sub-station in North Kabul, and I didn't try to find one of us opening the post office just outside Camp Julien. You know what, I don't have to. I just threw out several of the things I said we've done. But you want a picture, caption, and link to every single thing we've done. I'm not your servant aeon. If you want to find the proof, go to www.dnd.ca and do your own search. That all said an done, I even posted links to military police training the Kabul Police Force. I went out of my way to prove to you what we're doing, and you know what aeon, that proof was blatant. It shows we aren't there to conquer them, we're helping. You just don't want to see it, because it doesn't jive with your twisted spin on the World. You aeon, are a sick individual. I've said it before, and i'll say it again here. I honestly think you have psychological issues. You're not a well person aeon, and i'm being 100% serious here, no joking. Your aparent lack of rational thought, pathological lying, and utter disregard for the society you're a part of, it honestly makes me question your mental status. I'm also not the only one to have mentioned this on these boards. You may want to see a doctor. Once again, i'm not joking about this. I honestly think you need help.

Because George tenet who was head of the CIA, said, yes saddam has wmd, withouth a single shread of evidence, they were decided to go, at whatever cost, the white house memo proves it, same with richard clarke testimony.

Tenet would have had to provide concrete sources to Congress before the mobilization of the U.S. military. Retort?

Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence at the pentagone, what those islamic militant on cnn, has in common with this guy? do they represent a specific country?

Actually they claim to represent Iraq and Afghanistan. Might want to tune in to reality more often.

Care to answer mine now?