Palestinian hero kidnapped israeli soldier

[aeon]

The current attacks against Palestinian territory are in response to kidnappings and rocket attacks. If someone is trying to hurt you, the best option is to hit them back ten times harder. Its called a deterant.

And the current attack on palestinians territory will just justified other ones to join the militant groups, and suicidal attacks, and that israel governement knows that, that is why so much damage was done to palestinians to keep them down,to keep a culture of hate towards israel,with no educations in other to justified their killings, agression and stealing their territory.

I don't know, you'd have to ask Hamas. Its in their charter.



Up until they did that they were acheiving great strides on the road to peace. The election of Hamas stopped that. How does the election of Hamas help?

I admit it is pretty stupid their charter.


Look what happened since the year of 2001 in palestine? of course they are fed up with the west, we clap in the back of israel, we say, hey,it is ok, you are fighting terrorism anyway.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Aeon, you aren't a very good debator, my friend.

Saying "This land is theirs, period" means nothing. Have facts to support your argument.

Well the fact that the majority of jews immigrated mainly from europe in the begining of 1900 to israel/palestine means yes the land belongs to mainly palestinians, of course there is the natives jews who were about 5 % of the total population, the land belong to them too and so as the other native ethni.

Then I suggest you start packing, the aboriginals were forced off their land by the French in Quebec.

 

[LittleRunningGag]

And the current attack on palestinians territory will just justified other ones to join the militant groups, and suicidal attacks, and that israel governement knows that, that is why so much damage was done to palestinians to keep them down,to keep a culture of hate towards israel,with no educations in other to justified their killings, agression and stealing their territory.

What are you talking about? Israel didn't attack until after these abductions. They ignored (if by ignored we mean shelled back) repeated rocket attacks made by Hamas supported rocket squads.

If they really just wanted to kill Palestinians, why would they capture half of the Hamas government? Why would they take any prisoners at all? Why not just kill them all.

Look what happened since the year of 2001 in palestine? of course they are fed up with the west, we clap in the back of israel, we say, hey,it is ok, you are fighting terrorism anyway.

2001? What about last year? Israel had completely pulled out of Palestinian territory. Peace talks were working. Then came Hamas.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Oh for the love of.....

Fascism is a radical authoritarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, totalitarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-rationalism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.

That is pretty close to you

Oh? Now i'm an authoritarian? I, according to you, am against individual freedom? Even though I serve in an organization that defends the Canadian Charters of Rights and Freedoms? I'm a corporatist, or better yet believe in totalitarianism? Yes i'm a Nationalist, and damned straight I believe in militarism, because history has shown us that without a military, your Nation can be utterly walked on. I refuse to accept that someone else will ever have to step in and defend Canada. What you're missing aeon is there is a difference between being militaristic in a sense of promoting the defense of ones nation, and being militaristic in a sense of destroying everything. I'm the former, not the later. As for anti-rationalism, please, i'm rational to a fault, in fact one of my ex-girlfriends accused me of being overly rational...whatever the f.uck that means. As for political affiliation, yes i'm a Conservative, but that doesn't mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that i'm either anti-communist, or for that matter anti-liberal. Yes i'm anti-liberal PARTY yet the ideals behind Liberalism appeal to me. In summary, you somehow, as I said above, see fit to place the moniker of "fascist" on me, without really knowing me. Think of me what you will, but I know i'm nothing more than a Militant Conservative. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

Well when you look at the damage israel has done to palestinians, it is clear they don't want peace, the damage they did to palestinians is something we have never seen since the great wars.

Are you f.ucking retarded? Honestly? You're equating the strife between Israel and Palestine with the utter destruction of Europe in both World War I and World War II? Dude that makes utterly no sense. If you even had a slight grasp on what Europe went through during both of those conflicts you'd not toss out such an off-the-cuff comment such as that. To reiterate, you say Israel doesn't want peace, then why haven't they obliterated Palestine? Answer that with a concise, to the point answer. Why hasn't Israel flattened Palestine?

Do you realize how many damage israel has done so far?? if you call that they want peace, then you are ""enough said""

cause and effect?? 2 palestinian dig a tunnel, killed soldiers , kidnapped another one, result? israel are ready to kill them all.

You call them idiot by blowing themselves, which i agree, but you are in the army, ready to go in afganisthan, where from the begining there is no evidence that they are behind 9-11, so to summerize, you are ready to kill people for something based on a lie, you know what, that is not better than them.

Man, I don't know who said it earlier in this thread, but they were right. You really need to learn how to debate. Take some lessons at community college or something.

Anyway, to the issue at hand:

1. I'm aware that Israel has hurt Palestine, I don't pretend otherwise, however everything they've done has been in response to actions directed towards them by Palestine. Did the Israeli's start the Six Day War aeon? Or better yet, did they perpetuate the Yom Kippur War? Should Israel be to blame when an IDF Apache attacks a militant rocket site in the West Bank and kills some civilians. Does Israel not have a right to defend itself and live freely?

2. Cause and effect. It makes perfect sense aeon. When two people from a collective of people, kill soldiers of another Nation, and abduct a third, that constitutes an act of agression, which is grounds for War. Look at the First World War, the assination of one man (The the Archduke Ferdinand) sparked a World wide conflict. Is Israel out targeting every Palestinian? No. Are they attacking anyone in Gaza with an Ak-47. You bet, because their security was just breached by such people. If Palestine wants to stop the IDF from entering Gaza. Here's a radical thought. Stop poking the f.ucking bear with a stick.

3. I just pointed out earlier in this thread that there is plenty of evidence about the Taliban and Al-qaeda. Furthermore, the Afghan Government has asked Canada to stay in Afghanistan to help them clear out the militants. So yes, I spent 7 months in Afghanistan in 2005, and i'm slated to go back in the Spring of 2007, and I have no problem with doing so. I believe in the mission, and if, during the course of my Tour of Duty, I have to engage and kill militants, i'll console myself with my own personal mantra; It's them or me. I don't plan on biting it in some far away land, so if they want to live, don't f.ucking shoot at me. Plain, simple, to the point. I know myself I am way better than some suicide bomber who blows himself up on a bus full of kids, or in a crowded market full of civilians. If I have to kill, it's for a purpose, and my shots will be aimed at an agressor, not some kid going to school or a woman buying fruit. I'm better, and not because I think I am, because I know I am. I do my job with a purpose, they do theirs for a religious, feel-good, fairytale due to ignorance. Adding further credence to my earlier statement; "I never said Palestinians were smart".

I dont believe it, because it was brought by us officials, not aljeezeerah by the way.

Oh, so unless we see it on Al Jazeerah (might want to spell the name of your sacred news service correctly), it isn't true. Man, you're so narrow-minded it's pathetic.

Why don't you believe this one?? first it wasnt brought by us officials, which means a lot, and not shown to the american public.

Then how did you get a hold of it?

Since palestinians lives normal life in here, then no need to commit terrorist act.

So the guys who lived in London and blew up the subway....didn't live normal lives aeon? Ooop smells like someone just shit in your cereal....BUNG!!! (anyone know what movie (s) that is from?)

I am not missing any point, dealing with the west isnt a sign of moderation, where the hell did you get that crap?

Holy shit man, yes you ARE missing the point. My whole point for declaring them a moderate was their cooperation with the West. How can you sit there and tell me what MY intetions for MY post were? As for "that crap", it IS a matter of public knowledge aeon. Do you even read a news paper? It is a well known fact that Saudi Arabia helped defeat Iraq during the Gulf War, as for the corelation, just look at the World. Which Nation State is more logical and therefore prosperous; The UAE or Palestine? No brainer aeon, even for you.

As for your links.

1. No it really doesn't "work very well" aeon. Here's the proof:

Link

2.

I did read the article, and yes it is ridicoulus, cause they are suspected to fund alquada, but they have a free pass, i don't think those in guantamobay would have had the same threatment, if they were only suspected to fund terrorist, completly ridicoulus when i think about it, and guys like you doesnt even see anything wrong with this.

You cannot indict an organization that DOESN'T FALL UNDER YOUR LEGAL SYSTEM. As for gitmo, those detainees were picked up during a War aeon. They're POWs and/or unlawful combatants. They fall under a completely different legal system than U.S. Federal Law. But i'm sure you knew that right?

 

[Jersay]

And the current attack on palestinians territory will just justified other ones to join the militant groups, and suicidal attacks, and that israel governement knows that, that is why so much damage was done to palestinians to keep them down,to keep a culture of hate towards israel,with no educations in other to justified their killings, agression and stealing their territory.

What are you talking about? Israel didn't attack until after these abductions. They ignored (if by ignored we mean shelled back) repeated rocket attacks made by Hamas supported rocket squads.

If they really just wanted to kill Palestinians, why would they capture half of the Hamas government? Why would they take any prisoners at all? Why not just kill them all.

Look what happened since the year of 2001 in palestine? of course they are fed up with the west, we clap in the back of israel, we say, hey,it is ok, you are fighting terrorism anyway.

2001? What about last year? Israel had completely pulled out of Palestinian territory. Peace talks were working. Then came Hamas.

Israel has done attacks before this operation killing over 20 Palestinian civilians or have people forgot that.

 

[Colpy]

I read in the Globe and mail that almost 1000 rockets have been fired into Israel since they abandoned Gaza.

ONE THOUSAND!

I think they actually managed to kill or wound one or two Israelis. Not very effective attacks.

BUT, that said, NO NATION ON EARTH WOULD STAND FOR THAT!

Nor should they.

No nation except Israel would be EXPECTED to stand for
it.

It is not the Israelis' fault the Palestinians have chosen to bring a knife to a gun fight.

 

[Jersay]

Should the Palestinians bring a gun as well.

Seriously though? Has this incident or the rocker firing from Gaza since last year helped anyone from either side except entrench both sides in the side of radicalism.

 

[LittleRunningGag]

Israel has done attacks before this operation killing over 20 Palestinian civilians or have people forgot that.

I aknowledged that Israel had launched strikes. But nothing like this. And generally in response to rocket attacks from Palestinians.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Jersay, i'm not saying that Israel is blameless, they've made some blunders in the past, but generally speaking, they don't just fire up the IDF and start killing any Palestinian for the sake of doing so. 9 times out of 10 the IDF is put in to action as a direct result of action taken against Israel by Palestinian militants. My stance remains firm, get the shitheads on the Palestinian side to stop blowing things up in Israeli land, and stop putting out the "tough talk" and there'll be peace in the Middle East within one year. I myself, would publically condem Israel if Palestine stopped the stupidity, yet Israel kept launching military offensives. I do agree that Palestinians have just as much right to exist as the Israeli's do, however I personally believe that the root of all these problems stems from Islamic Fanatacism.

 

[Jersay]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Jersay, i'm not saying that Israel is blameless, they've made some blunders in the past, but generally speaking, they don't just fire up the IDF and start killing any Palestinian for the sake of doing so. 9 times out of 10 the IDF is put in to action as a direct result of action taken against Israel by Palestinian militants. My stance remains firm, get the shitheads on the Palestinian side to stop blowing things up in Israeli land, and stop putting out the "tough talk" and there'll be peace in the Middle East within one year. I myself, would publically condem Israel if Palestine stopped the stupidity, yet Israel kept launching military offensives. I do agree that Palestinians have just as much right to exist as the Israeli's do, however I personally believe that the root of all these problems stems from Islamic Fanatacism.

You might be right Mogz.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

I would also like to point out, that while I do support Israel, that doesn't mean I am against Palestine and their right to live a free and safe life. Contrary to the picture aeon will paint of me, i'm actually against warfare. I understand that war sometimes in unavoidable, but I put great stock in peace and the ability for individuals to live a good life. I refuse to dub every man, woman, and child in Palestine as terrorist, however sadly, many exist in their society and have sullied the Worlds opinion of them, and done much to hurt their plight. I've always maintained that if the people of Palestine woke up, and stopped propping up radical Governments, peace could be a reality. I personally do not feel that Israel wants warfare with Palestine, or any Arab nation for that matter. They've been fighting for their existence for so long that i'm positive they'd enjoy peace. Sadly, as history shows us, just when things are calm, a small group of people from Palestine carry out a cowardly act and throw the whole region in to chaos. I'm utterly amazed at how people can go for decades killing eachother when the solution to peace is blatantly obvious. Take the Balkans for example, they fought eachother for decades, and all it took was for the international community to step in and slap the various factions around. Now look at the Balkans; safe, demined, war-free. To reiterate, I do believe that peace can be a reality in the Middle East, however the violence is constantly perpetuated by radicals that in my opinion, don't want peace.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

This is what pisses me off about Palestine:

Link

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Oh for the love of.....



Oh? Now i'm an authoritarian? I, according to you, am against individual freedom? Even though I serve in an organization that defends the Canadian Charters of Rights and Freedoms? I'm a corporatist, or better yet believe in totalitarianism? Yes i'm a Nationalist, and damned straight I believe in militarism, because history has shown us that without a military, your Nation can be utterly walked on. I refuse to accept that someone else will ever have to step in and defend Canada. What you're missing aeon is there is a difference between being militaristic in a sense of promoting the defense of ones nation, and being militaristic in a sense of destroying everything. I'm the former, not the later. As for anti-rationalism, please, i'm rational to a fault, in fact one of my ex-girlfriends accused me of being overly rational...whatever the f.uck that means. As for political affiliation, yes i'm a Conservative, but that doesn't mean, by any stretch of the imagination, that i'm either anti-communist, or for that matter anti-liberal. Yes i'm anti-liberal PARTY yet the ideals behind Liberalism appeal to me. In summary, you somehow, as I said above, see fit to place the moniker of "fascist" on me, without really knowing me. Think of me what you will, but I know i'm nothing more than a Militant Conservative. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

Well you think palestinians are sub-human, you are anti-liberal, you are anti-communist, you are pro-militarist,you are anti-rational, sorry but you are a fascist.

Are you f.ucking retarded? Honestly? You're equating the strife between Israel and Palestine with the utter destruction of Europe in both World War I and World War II? Dude that makes utterly no sense. If you even had a slight grasp on what Europe went through during both of those conflicts you'd not toss out such an off-the-cuff comment such as that. To reiterate, you say Israel doesn't want peace, then why haven't they obliterated Palestine? Answer that with a concise, to the point answer. Why hasn't Israel flattened Palestine?

Well, let's turn the question the other way, if israel wants peace, how come they did so much damage to the palestinians? and still do, if israel want peace, how come they stole so much land from them, by kicking palestinians out of their home , with help of bulldozer??, violated 65 resolutions,(thankx usa to have used 27 veto, otherwise there will be near 100 resoltuion violated)

Man, I don't know who said it earlier in this thread, but they were right. You really need to learn how to debate. Take some lessons at community college or something.

Anyway, to the issue at hand:

1. I'm aware that Israel has hurt Palestine, I don't pretend otherwise, however everything they've done has been in response to actions directed towards them by Palestine. Did the Israeli's start the Six Day War aeon? Or better yet, did they perpetuate the Yom Kippur War? Should Israel be to blame when an IDF Apache attacks a militant rocket site in the West Bank and kills some civilians. Does Israel not have a right to defend itself and live freely?

That is something i find somekind retarded from guys like you, israel has the right to defend themselves by doing any necessary means, artillery, rocket launcher, helicopter, bulldozer, destroying whatever and whoever they want, this is called self defense, and when a palestinians throw rocks at a tank, it is called terrorism.

And you ask why some peoples doesnt buy this stupidity?

2. Cause and effect. It makes perfect sense aeon. When two people from a collective of people, kill soldiers of another Nation, and abduct a third, that constitutes an act of agression, which is grounds for War. Look at the First World War, the assination of one man (The the Archduke Ferdinand) sparked a World wide conflict. Is Israel out targeting every Palestinian? No. Are they attacking anyone in Gaza with an Ak-47. You bet, because their security was just breached by such people. If Palestine wants to stop the IDF from entering Gaza. Here's a radical thought. Stop poking the f.ucking bear with a stick.

Yes israel target every palestinians , look how they live damn it,sorrounded by walls, no human rights, this is called targeting a whole society to put them down, this is a very old and retarded strategie

3. I just pointed out earlier in this thread that there is plenty of evidence about the Taliban and Al-qaeda. Furthermore, the Afghan Government has asked Canada to stay in Afghanistan to help them clear out the militants. So yes, I spent 7 months in Afghanistan in 2005, and i'm slated to go back in the Spring of 2007, and I have no problem with doing so. I believe in the mission, and if, during the course of my Tour of Duty, I have to engage and kill militants, i'll console myself with my own personal mantra; It's them or me. I don't plan on biting it in some far away land, so if they want to live, don't f.ucking shoot at me. Plain, simple, to the point. I know myself I am way better than some suicide bomber who blows himself up on a bus full of kids, or in a crowded market full of civilians. If I have to kill, it's for a purpose, and my shots will be aimed at an agressor, not some kid going to school or a woman buying fruit. I'm better, and not because I think I am, because I know I am. I do my job with a purpose, they do theirs for a religious, feel-good, fairytale due to ignorance. Adding further credence to my earlier statement; "I never said Palestinians were smart".

There is no evidence showing alquada behind 9-11, you can twist it the way you want, but there is none at all.Thinking they are doing for religious, shows how ignorant and ""enough said""

Here is Robert pape, who conducted a reasearch to understand suicical terrorism, and his conclusion is people who conduct suicidal terrorism, arent doing for religion, but to get foreign occupation out of their land, you will be less ignorant after you read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pape#On_suicide_terrorism

Pape's Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism controverts many widely held beliefs about suicide terrorism. Based on an analysis of every known case of suicide terrorism from 1980 to 2003 (315 campaigns and 462 individuals), he concludes that there is "little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions. . . . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland"

Oh, so unless we see it on Al Jazeerah (might want to spell the name of your sacred news service correctly), it isn't true. Man, you're so narrow-minded it's pathetic.

Not at all, some people here, thought it was aljeezeerah who brought this tape when in fact it is us officials, and knowing the credibility of us officials, then we understand why oussama on the tape is suddenly right handed, took 40 pounds, and wear a gold ring.

Then how did you get a hold of it?

It is calls get inform my friend.

So the guys who lived in London and blew up the subway....didn't live normal lives aeon? Ooop smells like someone just shit in your cereal....BUNG!!! (anyone know what movie (s) that is from?)

The mastermind of london bombing was a MI6 assets, working for british intelligence, again another inside job, even on fox news they talked about it, here is the link.

http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Aug05/020805Asw

Holy shit man, yes you ARE missing the point. My whole point for declaring them a moderate was their cooperation with the West. How can you sit there and tell me what MY intetions for MY post were? As for "that crap", it IS a matter of public knowledge aeon. Do you even read a news paper? It is a well known fact that Saudi Arabia helped defeat Iraq during the Gulf War, as for the corelation, just look at the World. Which Nation State is more logical and therefore prosperous; The UAE or Palestine? No brainer aeon, even for you.

Saudi arabia helped defeat iraq, and most of the alquada members in iraq, are from saudi arabia, those who financed alquada are also from saudi arabia, those who financed palestinians militants are from saudi arabia, ohh i see , people who has money, you consider them as moderate.

As for your links.

1. No it really doesn't "work very well" aeon. Here's the proof:

Link

It does work, just use your brain( i know in the army , is something that you are not used to) when you press the link, and the page open, just take off the canadiancontent link, just keep the original link of the article, and then press enter, and there you go, it works.

You cannot indict an organization that DOESN'T FALL UNDER YOUR LEGAL SYSTEM. As for gitmo, those detainees were picked up during a War aeon. They're POWs and/or unlawful combatants. They fall under a completely different legal system than U.S. Federal Law. But i'm sure you knew that right?

True, i admit, however most of them, are held there withouth any charge, is this surprising?" nope.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

This is what pisses me off about Palestine:

Link

It is normal to be pissed of at that, the first time i talked to a 12 years old palestinians girl, i couldnt just believe it how she was talking, but that is their reality, the more you oppressed peoples, the more violent and culture of hate will emerge.Just beat your childs on a daily basis, and look what they will become.

 

[Jersay]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

I would also like to point out, that while I do support Israel, that doesn't mean I am against Palestine and their right to live a free and safe life. Contrary to the picture aeon will paint of me, i'm actually against warfare. I understand that war sometimes in unavoidable, but I put great stock in peace and the ability for individuals to live a good life. I refuse to dub every man, woman, and child in Palestine as terrorist, however sadly, many exist in their society and have sullied the Worlds opinion of them, and done much to hurt their plight. I've always maintained that if the people of Palestine woke up, and stopped propping up radical Governments, peace could be a reality. I personally do not feel that Israel wants warfare with Palestine, or any Arab nation for that matter. They've been fighting for their existence for so long that i'm positive they'd enjoy peace. Sadly, as history shows us, just when things are calm, a small group of people from Palestine carry out a cowardly act and throw the whole region in to chaos. I'm utterly amazed at how people can go for decades killing eachother when the solution to peace is blatantly obvious. Take the Balkans for example, they fought eachother for decades, and all it took was for the international community to step in and slap the various factions around. Now look at the Balkans; safe, demined, war-free. To reiterate, I do believe that peace can be a reality in the Middle East, however the violence is constantly perpetuated by radicals that in my opinion, don't want peace.

I would have to agree with you Mogz as well as Aeon. Because there are radicals on the palestinian side that want violence to continue and there are some hard-liners in Israel who want violence to continue as well because they are under an ideology that the Palestinians shouldn't be in the West Bank and Gaza and that it is Israeli's biblical right to own the whole area.

It is obvious I agree. Now if the palestinians can have a full government in the West Bank and Gaza with military air and water rights and no restrictions and Israel holding onto some West Bank territory and it being able to exist is the solution to go. However both sides are trying in their own ways to figure it out with alot of bloodshed.

Also, if you live in that area, for example a child if you see your parents having to go through checkpoints, hassled, soldiers, speaking a foreign language even though most palestinian know Hebrew, you would be frustrated too Mogz. So you both are right.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

I would also like to point out, that while I do support Israel, that doesn't mean I am against Palestine and their right to live a free and safe life. Contrary to the picture aeon will paint of me, i'm actually against warfare. I understand that war sometimes in unavoidable, but I put great stock in peace and the ability for individuals to live a good life. I refuse to dub every man, woman, and child in Palestine as terrorist, however sadly, many exist in their society and have sullied the Worlds opinion of them, and done much to hurt their plight. I've always maintained that if the people of Palestine woke up, and stopped propping up radical Governments, peace could be a reality. I personally do not feel that Israel wants warfare with Palestine, or any Arab nation for that matter. They've been fighting for their existence for so long that i'm positive they'd enjoy peace. Sadly, as history shows us, just when things are calm, a small group of people from Palestine carry out a cowardly act and throw the whole region in to chaos. I'm utterly amazed at how people can go for decades killing eachother when the solution to peace is blatantly obvious. Take the Balkans for example, they fought eachother for decades, and all it took was for the international community to step in and slap the various factions around. Now look at the Balkans; safe, demined, war-free. To reiterate, I do believe that peace can be a reality in the Middle East, however the violence is constantly perpetuated by radicals that in my opinion, don't want peace.

Ok, i can agree that radicals palestinians, wants to fuck it up big time, but the way palestinians are threated by israel-gov, that is giving more and more and more power to those same radicals palestinians over their population, that is where israel is wrong by pushing more deadly attacks on palestinians ,and israel-gov has very well educated peoples to know those things, they know it, but they just do it anyway, cause it gives them more and more powere to attack the palestinians, let's not forget ariel sharon provoked all this mess in 2000, by going to the mosque, shows they don't want peace at all, it is just escalating year after year.

Extremist palestians and those extremist Zionist are the problem of this conflict.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Extremist palestians and those extremist Zionist are the problem of this conflict.

That's the first rational thought I have seen come out of you in months. Are you celebrating Canada Day by getting hammered? :lol:

If so, have a few drinks before posting, you make much more sense.

 

[Mogz]

RE: Palestinian hero kidn

I knew I should have stayed downstairs at the party and not come up here to check my email...and then this forum....and then this f.ucking post. Now I need to slap you around aeon:

Well you think palestinians are sub-human, you are anti-liberal, you are anti-communist, you are pro-militarist,you are anti-rational, sorry but you are a fascist.

I never once said Palestinians were sub-human. I did however say they were living in the stoneage, big difference. Might want to, when you debate, bring up fact and not fiction. Once again, I am not anti-liberal, as I pointed out, i'm anti-liberal party, there is a big difference. How am I anti-communist? I've never once, to my knowledge on these forums, posted anything with regard to Communism. So answer that aeon, how do you know i'm anti-communism if i've never said a word about it? Yup i'm pro-military, but that alone doesn't make me a facist and as I said, i'm extremely rational (in fact I lost a relationship due to it). So what else do you have? Besides stamping your feet and saying i'm a facist? Anything concrete to back up your "claim" aeon? I thought not. Sit down.

Well, let's turn the question the other way, if israel wants peace, how come they did so much damage to the palestinians? and still do, if israel want peace, how come they stole so much land from them, by kicking palestinians out of their home , with help of bulldozer??, violated 65 resolutions,(thankx usa to have used 27 veto, otherwise there will be near 100 resoltuion violated)

Ever heard the phrase: "Necessity is the mother of invention"? If you're refering to damage done to Palestine, would that be damage done in retribution for suicide attacks and the like? As for stealing land, that's a subjective point of view aeon. You clearly overlook the great strides they've taken to allocate land for Palestinians, in fact kicking Israeli's out of their own homes and forcefully relocating them. In all, as I said above, Necessity is the mother of invention. In other words; A need or problem encourages creative efforts to meet the need or solve the problem. Israel has a right to exist, and I don't expect them, nor do they expect themselves, to lay down and take it from Palestine. My view? If Palestine wants to keep throwing rocks, Israel will keep blowing things up. It's a war of attrition that Palestine cannot win. As I said once before; thinning out the herd. It's social darwinism at its finest aeon, and it isn't my fault Palestinians are, by and large, morons.

That is something i find somekind retarded from guys like you, israel has the right to defend themselves by doing any necessary means, artillery, rocket launcher, helicopter, bulldozer, destroying whatever and whoever they want, this is called self defense, and when a palestinians throw rocks at a tank, it is called terrorism.

And you ask why some peoples doesnt buy this stupidity?

Yup, I do believe that ALMOST everything (I say almost because Israel has f.ucked up in the past) Israel has done has been in either self-defence, or in retribution for acts carried out against them. With regard to Palestinians throwing rocks, no I don't call that terrorism, I call that being f.ucking stupid. However lets face reality aeon, a suicide vest or homemade rocket attack is a far stretch from a rock. Lets call a spade a spade aeon, Palestine does a lot of damage with plenty more than rocks. Lets try to keep this in perspective here aeon, and quit exagerating the nicety of Palestine. Can you do at least that?

Yes israel target every palestinians , look how they live damn it,sorrounded by walls, no human rights, this is called targeting a whole society to put them down, this is a very old and retarded strategie

If they target every Palestinian, then why don't I see the crew commander of a Merkava Main Battle Tank mowing down people in the street with his turret mounted .50cal? Or why aren't Israeli warplanes conducting straffing runs on crowded Palestinian markets? No aeon, they don't target innocenets (yes some do end up dead, but war is hell). Human rights are controlled by the ruling party, you cannot blame Israel for every short-coming that exists outside of their sphere of influence. Up until recently the Gaza Strip was controlled by Palestine. Are you implying that Israel is to blame for the state of affairs in a piece of land they don't control? Come on aeon, that's f.ucking stupid man.

There is no evidence showing alquada behind 9-11, you can twist it the way you want, but there is none at all.Thinking they are doing for religious, shows how ignorant and ""enough said""

Here is Robert pape, who conducted a reasearch to understand suicical terrorism, and his conclusion is people who conduct suicidal terrorism, arent doing for religion, but to get foreign occupation out of their land, you will be less ignorant after you read this.

No evidence hey? Anyway i've said this time and time again (as have many here), there is plent of evidence. You just don't want to see it. Your panic is not my concern aeon. Oh, and one query, if "Robert Pape" deems that suicidal terrorism isn't based on religion, they why do they use religion as the basis for conducting their acts? Why does everything consist of religious over-tones? Why the Allah AKbar just before they blow themselves up? Answer that aeon. I'll reiterate ANSWER THAT AEON, DO NOT AVOID THIS QUESTION LIKE YOU OFTEN DO. Why all the religious over-tones if it isn't about religion? And if reading that will make me "less ignorant", and you're a shinning example of "less ignorance", i'll pass and take my chances, lest I end up like you.

Not at all, some people here, thought it was aljeezeerah who brought this tape when in fact it is us officials, and knowing the credibility of us officials, then we understand why oussama on the tape is suddenly right handed, took 40 pounds, and wear a gold ring.

First off, get the mans name right aeon. I know you've got a language barrier, but frankly man, Osama is still spelled Osama in French and English. If you're going to argue a point, at least get the spelling of the subject matter correctly aeon. Man alive. Anyway, now for the "issues" with his tape;

1. His handedness; look this word up = ambidextrous
2. His weight; People do gain weight aeon, they can all lose it, it's amazing
3. His gold ring; Yes it's prohibited, then again so is killing innocent people....what makes you think he'd violate the Quran in one aspect, then follow it in another.

The mastermind of london bombing was a MI6 assets, working for british intelligence, again another inside job, even on fox news they talked about it, here is the link.

Hahahahahaha a link? Like MI6 would just leave that info laying around if it were true aeon. Come on man, you can find anything on the internet. Take this for example:

Link

Well that must be true, I found it on the internet. Right aeon?

Also fyi, your f.ucking link doesn't work....again. You're missing chromosomes aren't you?

Saudi arabia helped defeat iraq, and most of the alquada members in iraq, are from saudi arabia, those who financed alquada are also from saudi arabia, those who financed palestinians militants are from saudi arabia, ohh i see , people who has money, you consider them as moderate.

Not at all what I said. Might want to read what I posted again. Then again, you'll just see whatever you want...waste of space you are and all....

It does work, just use your brain( i know in the army , is something that you are not used to) when you press the link, and the page open, just take off the canadiancontent link, just keep the original link of the article, and then press enter, and there you go, it works.

Holy fuck man, learn to post a link then. It's not hard. You're sitting there telling me I lack a brain for being in the Army, and then you basically admit you can't link a person to a page properly. Wow.

True, i admit, however most of them, are held there withouth any charge, is this surprising?" nope.

Holy f.uck. You just underminded your entire argument aeon. You linked me to a page, argued something, then ended up agreeing with me all in the span of three posts. Dude, seriously, get a friend with an IQ above 70 to help you with your posts. You spend more time digging yourself in to a hole than actually debating anything of merit.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Extremist palestians and those extremist Zionist are the problem of this conflict.

That's the first rational thought I have seen come out of you in months. Are you celebrating Canada Day by getting hammered? :lol:

If so, have a few drinks before posting, you make much more sense.

Come on ITN, i never said palestinians extremist were nice, that is something you can't refute.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Palestinian hero kidn

Come on ITN, i never said palestinians extremist were nice, that is something you can't refute.

Sure I can, you call an abduction of a soldier by Islamofascists, heroism. Heroism would be to walk up to him and shoot him, not gang up and kidnap him.