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Cannuck

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and 30 yrs ago what one needed vis-a-vis education was a high school diploma. Today... 2 yrs college to flip burgers at Wendy's

Exaggerations weaken your argument. Two years of college can lead to a career as a police officer, plumber, electrician or firefighter and many other medium to well paying jobs. Post secondary education has always been a ticket to a better paying job. Kids today are no different in that respect. What does separate them previous generations over the last 30 years is opportunity.
 

Tyr

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Exaggerations weaken your argument. Two years of college can lead to a career as a police officer, plumber, electrician or firefighter and many other medium to well paying jobs. Post secondary education has always been a ticket to a better paying job. Kids today are no different in that respect. What does separate them previous generations over the last 30 years is opportunity.

Exaggerations weaken your argument. Two years of college can lead to a career as a police officer,


The prosecution rests....
 

Tyr

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Exaggerations weaken your argument. Two years of college can lead to a career as a police officer, plumber, electrician or firefighter and many other medium to well paying jobs. Post secondary education has always been a ticket to a better paying job. Kids today are no different in that respect. What does separate them previous generations over the last 30 years is opportunity.

What does separate them previous generations over the last 30 years is opportunity.

That's...... Exactly my point. Without the post secondary ed, opportunities are few and far between
 

VanIsle

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I disagree. The labour pool will shrink as the boomers retire. The demand for labour will drive up wages making many products and services out of range for boomers. This will be compounded by the coming labor shortage in China.
How can the labour pool shrink as the boomers retire? These vacancies must be filled. I also know of a number of people that are on contract to bigger business because they cannot find skilled people to do the job and they re-hire retired people on a contractual basis. At some point the person must actually retire and at some point, someone will have the education to take over. I don't know how it is where you live but where I live, everywhere I go, in even the most menial jobs, seniors are working. Some of them are obviously very senior. It boggles my mind when I see someone who is obviously in their late 70's standing in a store like Super Store, folding clothing. I don't think they are there because they want out of the house. They are there because that extra money over and above the tiny OAP helps them live a little. I know there are people here who would say that with careful planning, those kinds of people would not have to work. Well, **** happens and not everyone plans.
A couple of months ago, a man from China was talking to me at my work place. He conveyed to me that in Canada, businesses close down, 200 - 300 people out of work. China, business shuts down 600 - 800 people out of work. Really bad he says.
That leaves me to wonder how there could be a labour shortage.
 

Cannuck

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That's...... Exactly my point. Without the post secondary ed, opportunities are few and far between

Maybe now because of the recession but as it ends and the demand for labor picks up there will be lots of opportunities and of course, post secondary education will continue to be part of the equation as it has always been.
 

Cannuck

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How can the labour pool shrink as the boomers retire? These vacancies must be filled.

No they mustn't be. Ideally they should.

I don't know how it is where you live but where I live, everywhere I go, in even the most menial jobs, seniors are working.

I'm sure they are. The question is for how long are they willing to work and how long are they able to work.

We are already in the position of job sharing in some industries because of the inability to find workers. Municipalities in Alberta are already sharing utility operators because they can't find any and 70% of operators in Alberta are over 50 years of age. The problem is'nt going to get better any time soon.
 

VanIsle

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No they mustn't be. Ideally they should.
No, I think "must" is the correct word. How can companies continue without skilled people. You kind of prove that in your last statement.



I'm sure they are. The question is for how long are they willing to work and how long are they able to work.
Obviously they cannot continue for too long but in some ways, it must feel good to get that pay cheque so I'm sure they'll do it for as long as they are able. Maybe just being there gives them purpose and makes them more able.

We are already in the position of job sharing in some industries because of the inability to find workers. Municipalities in Alberta are already sharing utility operators because they can't find any and 70% of operators in Alberta are over 50 years of age. The problem is'nt going to get better any time soon.
The news report on Alberta sounded a tad bleak today. It's on the news page on Telus. It doesn't sound awful. Just way down from where Alberta was sitting a couple of months ago. Says Sask. is the place to be. They don't mention BC but there really isn't any shortage of work here yet anyway. Still loads of building going on here and I gather from your words, much the same is happening there. News reports make things sound so bad most of the time when really not a lot is happening.
 

VanIsle

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I really just realized that while we are including the elderly in our "conversation", we really have gone way off topic here.
 

Tyr

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How can the labour pool shrink as the boomers retire? These vacancies must be filled. I also know of a number of people that are on contract to bigger business because they cannot find skilled people to do the job and they re-hire retired people on a contractual basis. At some point the person must actually retire and at some point, someone will have the education to take over. I don't know how it is where you live but where I live, everywhere I go, in even the most menial jobs, seniors are working. Some of them are obviously very senior. It boggles my mind when I see someone who is obviously in their late 70's standing in a store like Super Store, folding clothing. I don't think they are there because they want out of the house. They are there because that extra money over and above the tiny OAP helps them live a little. I know there are people here who would say that with careful planning, those kinds of people would not have to work. Well, **** happens and not everyone plans.
A couple of months ago, a man from China was talking to me at my work place. He conveyed to me that in Canada, businesses close down, 200 - 300 people out of work. China, business shuts down 600 - 800 people out of work. Really bad he says.
That leaves me to wonder how there could be a labour shortage.

I also know of a number of people that are on contract to bigger business because they cannot find skilled people to do the job and they re-hire retired people on a contractual basis.

That is the reality of today's workforce.

Outsourcing, contracting or consulting

The company avoids overhead costs such as physical space (in telecommuting instances), benefits and severances. It adds up to about 23% of your salary if you are an "employee"

Seniors still in the workforce? To a certain extent. The nest egg they might have set aside didn't keep up with inflation

Quite a few people who were on the verge of retirment last summer, suddenly found themselves considerably "poorer" 6 months later (that trend is continuing)

I lost $30,000 in Mutal Funds in a matter of weeks before I put them into a very low risk, low return option. I'm young enough to make it up over the next 7 yrs, but If I had contemplated retirement. I would have had to stay in the workforce

It's ugly "out there" today and will stay "ugly" for the next 18-24 months