Opinions of the Canadian Soldiers - Afghanistan

[cortez]

i dont personally compare them
that is what historians and political analysts do
i was pointing out how hard it is to separate ourselves from the distortions our societies impose on us
i make NO excuse for my countrys role in all of this
i have successfully separated my identity with the superfical - canada - is alway right- BS- WE always get up here.

no bases are required if proxy governmets can be put into place
if they fail then-- invade
i cant go through that long tiresome list that begins with the phillipines in 1898 -- with vietnam in the middle and ends with our current situation- i dont want to do that -- again
runnning an empire of influence can be done subtly after the gatttling gun massacre- or shock and awe-- call it what you will

i dont know the facts -- exactly -- ill admit-- its complex-- its hard to see this objectively-- i try not to presume-- but i fail

the british empire was anglosaxon empire part 1
the rise of america with global-- projection - part 2
they are the same thing -- slightly transforming into a sleeker more powefull trully global influencing entity with an impressive body count along the way-- bases or not--

THIS is the entity the world faces
a self righteous english speaking consciousness that

is
always recovering from war
if not then always preparing for war
if not then always provoking war
sometimes for a righteous cause- which is incidental
more often the reasons are fabricated
if not then always fighting a war
then virtually always winning it
then always growing stronger from it
then seeking more and more material means to fight the next
each time -- approx every 5 years
it grows stronger and more influencial
the lies that justify war and the unspeakable crimes it performs during war are down graded from FACTS-- into a CONTROVERSY
and on and on and on

the question this consciousness faces is simply this
CAN THEY TAKE IT ALL without blowing the planet up
thats the challenge
for if we live thru this current conquest with -- islam--
there WILL be another enemy

just like the irish
just like the scottish
just like the spanish
jsut like the dutch
just like the the native americans
just like the cheese
just like the africans
just like central america
just like the germans
just like the japaneese
just like the whatever
etc--- this is is SOOO tiresome

as these were defeated or ---put in their place -- so shall islam as this but after that who----

what do think -- i think not-
do you think the UK- the USA- Australia-english canada and their poodles can do it--

afterall someones got to be the MASTER-- might as well be someone with an english sounding name
someone whos right- eh

 

[Jay]

Genisis: 22:017

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

 

[Mogz]

RE: Opinions of the Canad

That anyone can still claim causative links of Afghanistan with 9/11 is unbelievable.

I picked through the ruins of a training camp near Gardez poison. The things I saw there were proof enough for me and the rest of the boys in 2-1B.

So you still insist that Afghanistan attacked anywhere?? Your so called 'terrorists' are mostly Saudi, Morroccan, Syrian, Palistinian. They are not affiliated to any particular country, mostly because most are dedicated to affecting government change in their own countries (oligarchies and other assorted dictatorships). Instead of Canada seeking to democratize countries like Egypt, Jordan, and Pakistan, we defend them by seeking the enemies of those dictatorships. That doesn't defend Canada or its principles.

I have said before and I will say it here, Afghanistan never attacked us. The terrorists funded by the Afghan Government at the time (the Taliban did). Afghanistan is where they were trained. As such we did what any sensible nation would do. We went door kicking. OUsted the Taliban, shattered the camps. It's called productive military action, and yes, Canada is all the more safer for it.

 

[cortez]

and yeah shall kill in my name and yeah shall rape the enemy and sodomize their children and yeah shall be proud of this and yeah shall in praying to me shall be cleansed of the trouble that killing does and yeah shall
do evil while thinking is it righteous and yeah shall steal and lie in my name for yeah is the people of god ,,,,

i friend of mine once said that the bible was the biggest piece of crap ever written---

i think he was being polite

 

[darkbeaver]

ITN
why is it that--- what you say about the british empire-- in many of your previous posts-- is so LOGICAL so to the point -- so in my opinion CORRECT- and that is so in contrast to the current situation regarding the US and its proxy states
100 years from now this war will seem as transparently self interested as anything the british ever did,-- or to be fair the spanish or the dutch or the portugeese -- whatever

Because the US never stays anywhere where it is involved in a war, that's why. Now you can reference military bases all over the world, but is that the same thing as the British Empire cortez? Really, is it? The US pays to be in those countries. You can compare the British Empire to the US all you want, it won't change the facts.

Poor ITN the fog of bullshit blinds you. How much are you paying Iraq to be there or are you giving them a real deal on discount freedom and democracy in lieu of cash, you will never leave Iraq. How much did you pay Vietnam to be there. What facts won,t it change ITN? American morality, what a joke.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Opinions of the Canad

Mogz the jingoist, spewer of propaganda, I hope you live a long healthy life and everyday of it reminds you how wrong you once were. It happens to many warriors, it will happen to you.
PS: The Yanks had the snot beat out of them in Vietnam don,t blame thier defeat on the civilians at home.

 

[PoisonPete2]

Re: RE: Opinions of the Canad

That anyone can still claim causative links of Afghanistan with 9/11 is unbelievable.

I picked through the ruins of a training camp near Gardez poison. The things I saw there were proof enough for me and the rest of the boys in 2-1B.

RESPONSE: oh! did you find boxcutters? Instructions on turning a 747?

I have said before and I will say it here, Afghanistan never attacked us. The terrorists funded by the Afghan Government at the time (the Taliban did). Afghanistan is where they were trained. As such we did what any sensible nation would do. We went door kicking. OUsted the Taliban, shattered the camps. It's called productive military action, and yes, Canada is all the more safer for it.[/quote]

RESPONSE: The Taliban couldn't afford to house train a puppy> If you wish to put national tabs on the funding, you would follow it back to Saudi Arabia, UAR, Dubai, USA, Canada, Britain, and anywhere that persons sympathetic to the cause found sancuary. Did you know that the largest single contributing area to the Irish troubles was New York City?

I've said it often enough and the facts back me up. The attackers of 9/11 were trained for their mission in the USA. Most of their initial planning was done in Germany. And 'terrorists' did not train only in Afghanistan. They were camps in Pakistan and Uzbecistan(?) as well as other places. Indeed many of those trained were recruited while studying in Western countries Britain, France, Germany, and the US. Instead of supporting popular myth, you should try for truth. Check out the travel of just one of the 9/11 attackers and you would find at least 5 counties in 10 years. Training is more than popping out of ditches and crawling under barbed wire under live fire. It is wiring explosives, mixing chemicals, security and counter-surveillence. For this recruits may have to travel very widely as the trainers are often loathe to go to the Middle East. It is also indoctrination, which often begins with racism expressed by citizens of host countries.

And killing Afghanis in Afghanistan does nothing to protect Canada. We could start with proper intelligence and independent policies.

 

[I think not]

Poor ITN the fog of bullshit blinds you. How much are you paying Iraq to be there or are you giving them a real deal on discount freedom and democracy in lieu of cash, you will never leave Iraq. How much did you pay Vietnam to be there. What facts won,t it change ITN? American morality, what a joke.

No, the volume of my bank account(s) blind me. See, I don't pay taxes, I take advantage of the tax loopholes, so I haven't contributed to the war in Vietnam or Iraq or any other war. I slowly climbed the ladder and became a capitalist pig, and laugh at the rest fo you pondering the wonders of the universe.

Better?

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Opinions of the Canad

Did you know that the largest single contributing area to the Irish troubles was New York City?

It was the Irish living in New York City that sent money to the IRA, you make it sound as if the mayor was cutting them a check.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Opinions of the Canad

While your bank account may comfort you in your ivory tower, take heed we,ll be arround to see you one day and we will have those back taxes or a pound of flesh,no matter to us but you will contribute to the stew.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Opinions of the Canad

While your bank account may comfort you in your ivory tower, take heed we,ll be arround to see you one day and we will have those back taxes or a pound of flesh,no matter to us but you will contribute to the stew.

Dream on.

 

[cortez]

can i help resolve this irish conflict

 

[Jersay]

From reading this, is still all the people who support war got?

Yawn

It is kind of silly.

However, Derek being a member of the Canadian forces, I haven't been to Afghanistan and a guy who got out of the Highlanders that is a infantry unit and next to my comm unit told me not to go to Afghanistan. He said if you want to go to overseas go to the U.N, go to other missions, but do not go to Afghanistan so I am kind of conflicted between if the guy I was talking too is just 'weak' I can't find a term and couldn't handle Afghanistan or if more Canadian soldiers are hiding their real feelings.

Now, I truly believe that Afghanistan has gotten rid of a group of people who slaughtered thousands of Afghani people. And I believe Canadians are in there for good reason, because there is no single evidence that America has used Afghanistan for economic issues.

Iraq is another story though.

 

[Mogz]

He said if you want to go to overseas go to the U.N, go to other missions, but do not go to Afghanistan so I am kind of conflicted between if the guy I was talking too is just 'weak' I can't find a term and couldn't handle Afghanistan or if more Canadian soldiers are hiding their real feelings.

Now, I truly believe that Afghanistan has gotten rid of a group of people who slaughtered thousands of Afghani people. And I believe Canadians are in there for good reason, because there is no single evidence that America has used Afghanistan for economic issues.

Those people exist. There is a girl in my unit who is being discharged because she refuses to go overseas, period. No U.N. missions, no NATO missions, nothing. She's a coward, and as such is being tossed out. This guy you've spoken to, is most likely an utter coward. While peacekeeping missions are dangerous, they are less of a danger than Afghanistan, and as such he may feel he'll be safe living in a bunker wearing a blue beret than being on the frontlines defending both the Afghan people and our society. Not everyone that joins the Army does so for the right reasons. I've known people that have joined for money (it isn't all that good). I've known people that have joined for "glory", only to find out it isn't like holywood. Also i've known people that have joined because they couldn't do anything else, and were tired of living in poverty. All of these people are prime fodder to become one of those people who either lack the courage or the will to do what they signed on to do. I'm not a war junky, I don't get off on killing, and I certainly wish we weren't at War right now, however I understand why War is sometimes the only option, and why we're at War. Sadly some people in the CF fail to realize just what they're getting in to, the same can be said for the U.S. military, and every other military in the World. People join for the wrong reasons. In my opinion, a person should join the Army only if they:

1. Believe in service to their nation
2. Believe in discipline
3. Understand the ramifications of such a career choice
4. Are willing to lay their life down for their Country

If you don't agree with they above listed, and aren't willing to sacrifice, not only your life, but time away from friends and family, and countless hours of sleep, meals, and mental well-being, then you don't belong in the military, in any capacity.

With regard to Afghanistan, yes we have done a truck load of good for those people and I can say first hand they appreciate all we've done.

As for you Jersay, I suggest you do what you feel is right. If you feel the merits of Op Archer are good and just, then do a tour there if you can. I did my time in that nation and as such I have both the pride of having done my duty and the right to discuss this matter with a fully informed opinion. Don't base you decision on what people tell you. Dig down deep and make your own decision.

P.S. What comm unit?

 

[Jay]

Just a side step here....

Mogzy...do you ever check your PM box?

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: Opinions of the Canadian Soldiers - Afghanistan

can i help resolve this irish conflict

Yes,I have studied your scribblins and have concluded that you have a fine discriminating mind, I would submit this conflict between that capitalist piggy AmTrash ITN and me the harmless gentle cute little beaver for your esteemed consideration. I will comply with your binding arbitration, let the trial begin. I am assuming you will want to conduct your deliberations in New York, ITN has offered to pay for accomadations and airfare, I suggest two weeks preliminary hearings and drug trials.
D.Beaver
Executive Secretary
Office of The Antichrist
RR 1
Canada

 

[Mogz]

Just a side step here....

Mogzy...do you ever check your PM box?

I do now....

 

[Jay]

OK...cause I sent you a pic a couple of days ago and you never picked it up out of the PM box...so I thought you hated me...but who could hate me? I'm so loving and cute....so I thought I better ask you about it.


I'll see if I can find the pic again and send it to you, and then you'll be like....he's bothering me over silly pics....why? It will be because of the love we have for you!

 

[shortmanx5]

i dont remember who said it but someone said that the candian forces dont follow usa generals your wrong. if they go out on a joint mission do you actaully believe canada is calling the shots. lol the reason canadian troops arent under complete usa control is the fact that they cant do the same things as the usa's troops. they cant put down mines, and i would also assume the weapons are differnt and cant be used together. thats one of the reason nato is getting worse becuase we are far ahead of everyone we cant even work together sometimes

 

[FiveParadox]

shortmanx5, perhaps I am misinterpreting how you are intending to express yourself, but you strike me as having a somewhat arrogant tone in this discussion. To suggest that the Canadian Armed Forces are incapable of leading a mission is insulting; our forces are quite capable of leading a mission, and leading one well, as can be seen by the admirable conduct of our forces in Afghanistan. It's not the size of the army that matters — it's the quality. And I have no worries there.