Ontario school bans soy spread because it looks too much like peanut butter

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The most common food allergy is fish! I wonder how many kids go to school with either salmon or tuna fish sandwiches. So many parents are scrambling for things their kids WILL eat and so many lunches go in the trash. I hate deli meat so I would be one of those kids that throws their lunch out. My opinion is - since they seldom supply lunch rooms anymore, there should be one room designated for kids with allergies to go eat their lunch or their snack. In Nanaimo the schools are all "nut free". Peanuts are not even nuts. I had to go to one of the High Schools a couple of weeks ago. The kids were all sitting on the floor of the hallways eating lunch. They do have a cafeteria. A plate of fries is almost $5.00!!!

When my middle daughter was in grade 8 there was a girl at the school she went to who was so sensitive to peanuts that if my daughter had had a PB sandwich for breakfast and not washed her hands thoroughly (but did not get PB on her hands) and touched a rail on the stairs at school later that morning, this girl would go into anaflactic shock if she touched the same part of the rail that day. She had an epi pen but I have no idea how she could possibly survive in the real world with that sensitivity.

That said, at work we are not allowed oranges or OJ since one worker is alergic to citrus in an anafalactic way.
 

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Through the entire school process as a kid, right through grade 12, I hadn't even
heard of such a thing, and hadn't until about 10 years ago. Nobody died, as far as
I'm aware. I don't recall having to step over any corpses in the hallways, etc...

Is this Peanut thing a relatively new thing, at least in any numbers?
 

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All the way through elementary school and high school I never heard of a student who was allergic
to peanut butter. We had peanut butter at home but we didn't have it that often in sandwiches.
Peanut butter and jam occasionally, but mostly egg sandwiches, roast beef sandwiches, chicken sandwiches,
cheese and jam sandwiches, etc. I don't disagree that peanut butteris a problem to those
who are allergic but there are lots of other choices.
I'd like to know what happened to peanut butter that it became deadly?

Through the entire school process as a kid, right through grade 12, I hadn't even
heard of such a thing, and hadn't until about 10 years ago. Nobody died, as far as
I'm aware. I don't recall having to step over any corpses in the hallways, etc...

Is this Peanut thing a relatively new thing, at least in any numbers?
We're similar age and it's the same for me. It was unheard of. Same with asthma.
 

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I'd like to know what happened to peanut butter that it became deadly?

We're similar age and it's the same for me. It was unheard of. Same with asthma.


I knew "a" guy with asthma, but had never heard of a peanut allergy. I remember the day that
Mt. Saint Helens blew (or was it the next day), and a bunch of us where out playing football. At
3:00pm....you could look straight into the sun without it hurting your eyes. Just an orange glow.
Anyway....buddy with asthma hits the ground, and out came his inhaler. Didn't even know that
he had one. He sat out the rest of the game, but didn't go home or anything.

Anyway, is this peanut thing a recent thing that was few & far between until the last decade or so?
 

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A London, Ont., school board has banned peanut butter substitutes simply because they could be confused with their peanut counterparts, angering parents already frustrated by efforts to find an acceptable lunch their kids will eat.

In a recent memo, Thames Valley District school board director Bill Tucker wrote that “any products considered to be a peanut butter replacement are no more appropriate in our schools than regular peanut butter.”
I was going to say, "You've got to be joking", but I stopped at the point where it clicked into my head that truth is stranger than fiction.

Where to begin: One kid out of a hundred has peanut allergies, while one kid out of three gets bullied. Is it so hard for the kid to wear one of those silicone bracelets with a colour-code meaning, "don't feed this kid peanuts"?

I knew a guy who was so allergic to sea-food that if his little finger brushed the surface of deep-fried shrimp and if he were to brush his lips with that little finger, he would die. Nobody ran out demanding all Chinese restaurants to banish deep-fried battered shrimp, therefore someone with extreme power had a kid die from a peanut allergy, and made a life's mission out of it.

Ever wonder how kids get peanut allergies?

It's because a baby's stomach has pores in it for the first six months after birth. That's so it can pass immunoglobulins from the mother's milk into its blood-stream undigested. If effect, the kid is living off its mother's immune system for the first six months.

If the mother does not breast feed, rather, chooses to feed the newborn adult foods, then proteins from that adult food can slip through those pores into the baby's bloodstream, and the worst are vegetable proteins.

It sets the stage for the baby's developing immune system to tune-up a hyper-awareness and sensitivity to those proteins, and it can happen beyond peanuts. People have had immune systems sensitized to wheat protein, such that they can never eat bread nor pasta (real meat-and-potatoes guys by virtue of necessity).

So the first thing a mother is telling me when her kid turns out to be peanut-allergic is that she wouldn't breast-feed him, plus she had the audacity to spoon peanut-butter into his mouth in the first six months. Breast-fed baby's have low rates of allergy. Feed the mother so she can feed the kid, and let's save ourselves a tonne of costs doing healthcare and stressing people out about peanut-butter, when frankly I eat about half-a-pound of it a week and I am not going to stop. It's the best way to restore soil after cotton-plants have leached the ground. Cotton is a huge nutrient-sucker, so farmers cycle in peanut-crops in order to restore the soil with it's nitrogen-fixing legumeness.

Why do politicians pick on something like peanut-butter? I bet it's because the other problems are beyond them, so they pick on something they can get a grip around. Peanut butter. The world is collapsing, we're living in one of the few places with enough natural resources to wall ourselves in if necessary, and they pick on peanut butter.

How about if someone were to navigate around the MBA's (Must Botch Amazingly) and get some money to Canada's A+ agricultural researchers to genetically refine a form of peanut capable of growing at this latitude plus, oh gosh, along the way drop the gene making the protein babies can be sensitized to?

Given the cost of "managing" peanut allergies, I bet it would be cheaper to just produce a northern non-allergenic strain.
 

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Watermelon too? That would suck. Mothers do weird thing. My mother was always cold so I was always dressed for polar expeditions.
I used to always be cold too. My kids called me "winter ice". Then I got my thyroid checked and as you already know - mine is under-active and that's why many people feel so cold (women in particular) and so tired.
 

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I used to always be cold too. My kids called me "winter ice". Then I got my thyroid checked and as you already know - mine is under-active and that's why many people feel so cold (women in particular) and so tired.
I don't get it. If neurotic mothers addicted to anti-depressants have an issue with peanut-butter, then why don't they help the economy by boosting for butter-nut butter?

Yes butter-nuts. They grow wild here and were considered a delicacy by early Viking colonialists.
 

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When my middle daughter was in grade 8 there was a girl at the school she went to who was so sensitive to peanuts that if my daughter had had a PB sandwich for breakfast and not washed her hands thoroughly (but did not get PB on her hands) and touched a rail on the stairs at school later that morning, this girl would go into anaflactic shock if she touched the same part of the rail that day. She had an epi pen but I have no idea how she could possibly survive in the real world with that sensitivity.

That said, at work we are not allowed oranges or OJ since one worker is alergic to citrus in an anafalactic way.
I get that to a degree. It's kind of like no matter where they go there is danger. It's like people who are allergic to "scents". Is the rest of the world supposed to stop living because of it? I have to say that knowing a person was allergic at work in an environment where her allergy can be controlled by all of you co-operating - like the rest of you, I would certainly be willing to give up my orange or my orange juice until another time of the day. But - the little one with the peanut allergy - how can she get away from it when it's that bad. Lots of people do have these allergies so bad that just the oil in the air can put them into anaphylactic shock. Making the school nut free would not matter to her. Everyone would have to wash their hands and brush their teeth so nothing they touch could affect her. If she was my child, I would home school her. When a person is that allergic, there isn't much other people can do about it. They have to learn how to control their own environment. I am allergic to prawns and wasps so I too carry an epi pen. I cannot touch prawns either but I am okay with people around me eating them. It doesn't seem to have any affect on me.
They don't seem to know what this peanut allergy thing is. For several years they said pregnant women should not eat peanut butter so much during the pregnancy and I think there was a point where they changed that to "eat more" but now they are saying it doesn't matter. That's the last I heard - maybe it's changed again. I don't see why a product that tastes like peanut butter has to be the same colour. Make it yellow or something.

I don't get it. If neurotic mothers addicted to anti-depressants have an issue with peanut-butter, then why don't they help the economy by boosting for butter-nut butter?

Yes butter-nuts. They grow wild here and were considered a delicacy by early Viking colonialists.
What does your answer have to do with what I said? What does my post have to do with neurotic mothers addicted to anti-depressants?

BTW - it's not just mothers. And they are not neurotic and they are not addicted to anti-depressants. These allergies are very real. We knew a fellow who was a boat captain in a little fishing village. One night about 2 - 3 years ago, he'd had a couple of drinks and was at a friends house. Not knowing he was allergic to peanuts, they put out some cookies that contained peanuts. He ate one. He's dead now.
He was probably in his mid 40's when he died. Most people who are allergic to peanuts are not allergic to nuts and vice versa. When people are allergic to peanuts it's often deadly. It happens very fast. Allergies often come on later in life. I hope you never become allergic to peanuts.
 

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Bloody hell, then why won't the powers that be spent some precious tax dollars finding a way to block anaphylactic reactions. I've studied the immune-system enough to know that it's theoretically possible.

Oh I know why. It will mess up too-much the profit-margins of American cousins making money from that debilitation.

How glorious is governance by MBAs.
 

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In the schools I went to, the susceptible to PB kids would have been slapped like that with a PB smeared hand just to see what happens.
They may have died.
 

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There are efforts here in gopherland to ban peanut butter from all schools and for schools to use soy spread exclusively. Many schools have done so already.
 

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There are efforts here in gopherland to ban peanut butter from all schools and for schools to use soy spread exclusively. Many schools have done so already.

Fine, whatever, but why don't the neurotic incompatible parents just switch it to a form of nut-butter from a nut which grows at this latitude?

It's called butter-nut, and it grows wild here.

Why are you sitting there stumped figuring that if it's not happening there must be a reason.

Yeah, the reason is because MBA's have the IQ of a salamander, and you gave them power.
 

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Yeah, the reason is because MBA's have the IQ of a salamander, and you gave them power.

Really? This started in 2007 when Republican Pawlenty was in office and plenty of those education districts are of his party as well. As I have said before, instead of voting Republican I'd rather annoint Benedict Arnold with sainthood.
 

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Really? This started in 2007 when Republican Pawlenty was in office and plenty of those education districts are of his party as well. As I have said before, instead of voting Republican I'd rather annoint Benedict Arnold with sainthood.
I've been doing business with Russians dude, and if I was you I would seriously hang onto some principals. It's not that they're evil... let's just call it "different".

MBAs and Oligarchs are trading, and it's right back to dirty Old-Testament times. Seriously. Did your ancestors maintain journals? If not, then if I was you I'd write one for your descendants, to be read upon death.
 
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Really? This started in 2007 when Republican Pawlenty was in office and plenty of those education districts are of his party as well. As I have said before, instead of voting Republican I'd rather annoint Benedict Arnold with sainthood.

I've been doing business with Russians dude, and if I was you I would seriously hang onto some principals. It's not that they're evil... let's just call it "different".

MBAs and Oligarchs are trading, and it's right back to dirty Old-Testament times. Seriously. Did your ancestors maintain journals? If not, then if I was you I'd write one for your descendants, to be read upon death.
Awww, that's so cute.

So this is what it sounds like, when doves cry.
 

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Years ago when we bought our first Fondue cooker. What I'm talking about is the pot of oil sitting over an
alcohol burner. Everyone has a long fork to stab pieces of prime beef and cook them in the hot oil.
After all this, the oil that was recommended, was peanut oil. We bought the peanut oil at the local
supermarket and it never had any kind of warning on the bottle. I think the grocery stores still sell
peanut oil and there is still no warning.
 

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Years ago when we bought our first Fondue cooker. What I'm talking about is the pot of oil sitting over an
alcohol burner. Everyone has a long fork to stab pieces of prime beef and cook them in the hot oil.
After all this, the oil that was recommended, was peanut oil. We bought the peanut oil at the local
supermarket and it never had any kind of warning on the bottle. I think the grocery stores still sell
peanut oil and there is still no warning.

I always use peanut oil in my fondue pot. Also for stir frying too. I think it has one of the highest temperatures before it starts to smoke.

Not to nitpick, but shouldn't the name Peanut Oil be enough to inform consumers that there are peanuts in it? Without any kind of extra warning labels or signs I mean.