I believe that comment applies directly to the entire right-to-wear-a-niquab-in-Court issue as well
Ontario Court rejects the right to wear niqab
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I believe that comment applies directly to the entire right-to-wear-a-niquab-in-Court issue as well
Gore doesn't understand that though... Your personal misinterpretation of the facts just doesn't cut it.
Are you authorised to say what Gore does and doesn't understand? If so, how do you get that gig?
Everyone likes to characterise their particular notions as "social norms." Semantic analysis appears to show the definition of "social norm" is "whatever personal preference I'm trying to lend unjustified weight to."
True enough, but when general opinion and social practice back up the particular notion, then it is more justifiably called a norm.
I think you can really easily apply it to the social idea of wearing a niqab in the first place. Just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's not repugnant.
But, when it comes to court, you are not dealing with a social issue.
You are dealing with a supposed rape victim.
Too many people are attacking this issue as if it will solve the twisted notions of religious modesty. It won't. It will simply further victimize this woman, and cement the resolve of Muslims everywhere to fight for their right to practice their religion their way.
Which don't mean much. Would you like a list of "social norms" over the past century or so that have directly contravened the law and/or such ballyhooed principles as equality, justice, liberty, tolerance, &c.?
Not really, since in many of those cases norms were imposed over the will of the people. That's not usually the case in Canada.
none the less Karrie has made a good point; the woman may not feel like she can (from an emotional/psychlogical) perspective, remove her facial veil and testify.
regardless of whether we decide that is right or wrong it is still a shame. These men If guilty, are pedophiles who will not see justice done to them for their behaviour.
IF her parents had been forced to cast aside the female veil while living in this country, she would not feel this sense of nakedness in public. No woman should have to feel objectified unless covered from head to toe... but she should have that choice, but I stop at the veil especially in today's world where ability to identify others has become a public safety issue.
regardless of whether we decide that is right or wrong it is still a shame. These men If guilty, are pedophiles who will not see justice done to them for their behaviour.
IF her parents had been forced to cast aside the female veil while living in this country, she would not feel this sense of nakedness in public. No woman should have to feel objectified unless covered from head to toe... but she should have that choice, but I stop at the veil especially in today's world where ability to identify others has become a public safety issue.
I agree, it was the first thing shed by my girlfriend, although not by her sisters at the beginning, they have begun to wear less and less cover-up although it is not condoned by the parents who feel they will go to hell
slowly western culture does influence the choice, which is why the radicals must blow us up, they view us as their death, and they are right, we are
I was under the impression that The beauty of Canada was that we where not a "melting pot".
That differences where cherished, a good thing, Something to preserve, a source of strength.
Or was that only because I had a French influenced upbringing?
That differences where cherished, a good thing, Something to preserve, a source of strength.
Or was that only because I had a French influenced upbringing?
we should not cherish objectification under the guise of religious tolerance/freedom...that tent has zero to do with the koran and everything to do with control (power)
My personal opinion of niquabs is not positive, however, my opinion is meaningless in relation to the individual that deems it something that is important to them.
There is another side to the coin on this issue though, that being, the men accused of the rape also have a voice in this until such time that they are convicted. In addition to this, the traditions in this nation trump those traditions that are imported to our shores. Everyone has rights here and allowing for situations for one person's (or group) right to trump another is a blue print for problems
An extreme example can be seen in nations like Afghanistan where it is not uncommon for persons practicing nomadic lifestyles to carry arms on their person for security purposes... One might say that they have been programmed in this from a young age... That said, would it be reasonable for the Canadian gvt and society to allow a young Afghani immigrant to carry a rifle with them in the community? At school? Appearing at a Court date?
Yeah, my grandma thinks we're going to hell because we rebelled against weekly church attendance.
That's part of why I don't get the judge's ruling. The social norm for these men, is the niqab. All this 'right to face your accuser' stuff rings hollow when this is how they are used to seeing her and talking to her.
it's strange how influence creeps in and changes views. They believe similar to some Christians that only Muslims are going to heaven.
When Mother Theresa died my friend asked her sisters if Mother Theresa had gone to hell? After some debate they concluded no, but were dicey with that conclusion because it was challenging their held belief.
ew, I LIKE that point
They shouldn't be here in the first place. They're a symbol of the repression of women.