Obama? Oh, NO!

[Pangloss]

I thought Depp's voice a bit thin for the role - he sounded best during the really angry growly parts.

The duet "A Little Priest" fairly rocked, though.

Normally I'm also a fan of Alan Rickman, but here, a little light as well.

Sascha Baron Cohen, on the other hand, was fantastic.

Pangloss

Postscript: the Broadway cast recording - perfect and magnificent.
- p

 

[talloola]

So Senator Barack Obama won the primary in Iowa.
Having a man like Barack Obama in charge of the largest arsenal on earth which contains nuclear weapons, biological horrors and advanced technology is not wise.
Let him lead his people home, if they are fool enough to follow him into the ocean when he pretends to part the water, but let him leave our people alone.
I think he has gotten just about enough out of America and America has had just about enough of him.
What do you think?



Barack Obama is 100% american, I believe he was born in Hawaaii.(correct me if I'm wrong).

More american than I am canadian, as both of my parents were born out of Canada, but I was
born here.

I would trust him with the country anytime.

If the american people decided to trust Bush withthe country, they would trust their local drunk.

 

[Praxius]

So Senator Barack Obama won the primary in Iowa.
How that happened is as mysterious to me as how he ended up in the United States Senate in the first place.
I cannot understand why the people of Illinois took it on themselves to send as a representative of that great state a man whose father is Kenyan and whose stepfather is Indonesian. How many people in Illinois share that combination?

Who honestly cares what country his parents came from.... he's a US citizen regardless and has every right to run for president.

Maybe perhaps those in Illinois are begining to look outside of the box that the US has been placed in for the last couple of decades. Maybe they're finally looking past skin color and age and finally looking for who seems to relate more to the people of the US.

To complicate matters his mother is a white American. I mention that only because he is being advertised as the first black president. Colin Powell would have been the first black president. Barack Obama would be the first half-black president.

Uh... sorry to say but last I checked Colin Powell was not the US President... ever. National Security Advisor and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but not US President.... let alone the first Black President.

And if you want to nit pick whether Obama is all black, half black, or 3/16ths black.... all I ask is what do you care? So he's not all white or all black, therefore he shouldn't be President? I personally believe the hype is more about him being the first non-all-white guy running for president... do most call him the first future Black President? Sure.... we all already know how Pollitically Correct society can be :roll: but regardless... I don't see why he should suffer because other's label him as something you seemed to have fallen for.

Even considering that the blacks in Illinois sent him to the Senate - why did they do that? Why didn't they vote in an American black man? Why are they crowing over a half-black, half-American guy?

Probably because they're not racist biggots? Gee I dunno.... you know, the moment people stop thinking people have to vote someone in based on race or religious values, the better off this world will be.

So I'm still getting the notion you are trying to potray that Obama shouldn't be president because of his race and his parent's backgrounds from where they came and their races as well..... very evolved logic I see here :angry3:

The answer is in our American past.

Even before the Civil War there was a concern about what would happen to freed slaves.
Questions like 'Should they be allowed to wander around on their own?' were important points of discussion.
Putting the freed slaves on ships and sending them back to Africa was a big topic.
The cost, however, of just sending the newly born children of the 4 million slaves then in the country (about 40,000 to 50,000 a year) would have bankrupted the United States Treasury so that was abandoned. The fact that it would have cost so much to ship the slaves back should be a point of interest to anti-immigrant candidates like Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee. Even if laws were passed to send all the illegal Mexican immigrants back to Mexico there isn’t enough money to do it.
In any case - the Presbyterian Church in the United States became embroiled in this problem of what to do with the freed slaves. In the South the Presbyterians became the spiritual backbone of the Confederacy while in the North they tried to become the conscience of the Union but did not succeed.

So what's the point of the above little rant? That Obama shouldn't be able to run for president of the country he was born and raised in, because he comes from a black background.... oh I'm sorry, a half black and half white background.... so much more evil... OOooooo..... Are you trying to say that your country in the past couldn't become more racist then you were because you guys just couldn't afford to? Wow... that's very touching to know.

Exactly where the hell do you get off thinking you have more rights in the US then those who your ancestors used as slaves? Those who basically setup the foundation of your country through back breaking work with very little pay, while the majority of white folk sat around collecting the money and doing pretty much nothing in return except beat and whip them if they screwed up?

If anybody has more right to run the country, it'd be a black person over a white anyday.... but then again, that'd be racist and not right.... so where do you get off throwing the above as some justification for blacks not being able to run for president.... because to me, all of the above is what you seem to be trying to explain, but just without all the super racist remarks.

At the end of the war the Presbyterian Church in the North succeeded in setting up colleges for the freed slaves throughout the South (and a couple were located in the North). Several of these colleges still exist today.

During the past 140 years since the Civil War the Presbyterian Church has split and split again. There are several sects and splinter sects in the United States today that can trace their history to that time - but they certainly don’t point that out.
There was considerable discussion about the benefits of providing these colleges. The main point being that eventually the freed slaves would leave on their own. In fact it was widely believed and encouraged that after the slaves were freed they would eventually collect all their things and return to Africa.

Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha.... ok yeah that makes perfect sense..... most of them only knew of the country they were born, raised and worked in.... why would they desire to move to some country they never seen before?

How about you head back to the country where your grandparents or great grand parents came from? How about I just go pack up my things now and head back to Ireland where my family was originally from?

You know what? Forget that.... how about all the Natives of North America tell all of us to hit the road and go back to where we came from? They have more rights to dictate who lives here and who doesn't then you or I.... let alone the above racist plan of hoping all your "slaves" moved away now that you couldn't use them the way you wanted to.

The scenario was similar to that of the story that is found in the Bible of the Jews leaving Egypt. Many black churches today closely identify themselves with the Jews in Egypt. Many popular black spirituals reflect that ideal -

“Pharoah’s Army Got Drowned”, “Go Down Moses” and et cetera.
The Presbyterian Church defended and encouraged the colleges by claiming that educated American blacks, when they eventually decided to leave the United States and return to Africa, would give the United States an advantage in Africa because they spoke English, had been educated in the Bible (the Protestant Bible - they were keen to ensure that ‘Romanist‘ blacks would not dominate Africa - Romanist meaning Catholic) and so, would be able to conquer and overwhelm the illiterate savages that had been left behind when the slaves were taken from Africa.
The ignorance of this stance is clear to many modern Americans but, and this point is very important, there are many churches and groups in the United States that still believe that it is the destiny of American blacks to return to Africa and rule there.

So these old churches in their old racist mentality, explaining their plans above as you put them to hope they'd leave you guys to this new land, you feel is the right path to be taking, and therefore these churches are dictating to you that a black person... er sorry, a half black person should not have the right or the ability to run as the President?

So it always has to be a white rich guy who's background is somewhere along the lines of Presbyterian? That would partially explain why JFK was killed..... being an evil Catholic and everything.... pssh.... by the way.... my family is Roman Catholic.... got a problem with it? Cuz I don't have a problem with Presbyterian... it's a religion..... whoopie doo.

That brings us back to Barack Obama because the church he belongs to in Illinois is descended from those splinter sects that had been first chartered by the white, Northern Presbyterian Church.

Barack Obama seems to be, to many black Americans, the Messiah who is destined to lead them all back to Africa to conquer and regain their birthright.

Baseless and racist propaganda for the sole sake of fearmongering against him being the president due to his race, plain and simple. When has the above been established as fact? Never.... why do you have such a hatred towards blacks?

Do you by chance remember something called the "Seperation of Church and State?" It shouldn't matter one damn bit the presidential candidate's religious backgrounds are.... and because you follow one religion or the other, doesn't mean their explinations are justification of who should and shouldn't be president.... let along who should be permitted to live in the country.... if a religion believes something, find good for them... but they have no place to dictact by their own rules who should and shouldn't be able to run for president.

You are clearly expressing the level of intollerence that seems to be quite rampant in the US.... a country which has always boasted freedom and equality.... perhaps you guys should rip that little slogan off and chuck it in the garbage, because your above and below comments are clearly contradicting this.

There are several problems to this scenario. First of all, it may be said that the poor unfortunate men and women who were taken from Africa to be used as slaves were not, in the main, what one would call the ruling class in Africa at the time. The ruling class in Africa at the time were rounding up their enemies and taking them down to the shores to sell them for gold and manufactured goods to the Portugese, the Spanish, the English and later, the Americans.

The peoples who remained in Africa are not looking forward to being conquered again - no matter what the color of the returning avenger.

I'm still trying to find some logical justification for your reasoning and what the above has to do with anything today. This isn't 200 -/+ years ago... the world changes.

In the case of Barack Obama there are other troubling matters.

First of all his father, from Kenya, was in the United States getting a college education. Like many men and women in his position he apparently thought it a good idea to stay here.

That's his very right to do so... it's called something like.... Immigration? Tell me how your family first came to North America and why you seem to think you're so special.

He then got married and fathered his son. Unlike many others in his privileged position he decided to return to where he came from and packed up and went to Kenya. He divorced his wife and abandoned his son - Barack Obama - apparently in Hawaii. O

bama’s mother then married an Indonesian and carted her son off to Indonesia - which is widely recognized as having a cruel, ignorant society based on exploiting the poor by violent means. That is - Indonesia is a slave economy. They are second only to Myanmar in their vicious treatment of their own citizens.

One could say similar about the US when it comes to being a cruel, ignorant society based on exploiting the poor. You seeemed to understand that the slavery is gone from your country, but your above logic and explinations seem to think the rest is justified.... much like the above country which you negatively potrayed.

And besides.... what's the point still? So what? Are you trying to say that perhaps Obama had a hand in some of that violence and slavery or that perhaps it may have affected him in some manner in his childhood, that he might bring back slavery and you fear whites will become the new slaves?

Obama claims that because he attended a mixed school in Indonesia that he has insight into the Muslim mind. Please recall that it was mixed school in Sudan where a visiting English teacher was threatened with death for naming a Teddy Bear ‘Mohamed’.

More fearmongering.... and I see no actual relation here to either story. How does this ruin Obama's rep any? He wasn't in the school that this happened in, nor was it the same time frame. The above still doesn't disprove that he does know a bit about the Muslim herritage.

Hell, with the above logic you are showing, I could sum up the US in a nice picture based on the amount of school shootings in your country..... and in comparison... let's see, a teacher had the potiential of getting some lashes for being an idiot in a mostly muslim society, but was released and sent back to the UK unharmed.... the other is a growing list of screwed up kids with guns just going on rampages and killing whoever they want before shooting themselves..... One incident in one country in relation to breaking laws compared to numerous incidences of out of control kids born and raised by the society they are in turn killing.... hmmm..... apparently the long list of white, Presbyterian presidents haven't improved things in the last number of decades.... so maybe someone with a different background can do a better job?

So Senator Obama is apparently wearing the crown of the Messiah for a splinter sect of the Presbyterian Church who believes he will lead them all back to Africa, glory and prosperity.

(Please note that the Kenya that Obama comes from is now embroiled in political violence as a petty dictator continues to rape that country for everything it is worth.)

Oh ok... so what someone else does you can directly blame on someone else? WTF? With that logic I could claim anybody from the US is going to be about as clueless as Bush.... and everything he has done since he came into power, I can blame directly on every US citizen, therefore we can't trust any US citizens to be president, therefore nobody should be president.... because there might be a slim chance the new one will do exactly what a current president is doing.

Come on.... you're not making any solid sense here.

So I can understand that the people of Illinois, who also have hosted Louis Farrakhan (an American black-muslim leader who believes that spaceships have encircled the earth and are ready to destroy all the white people), another leader who believes in the eventual repatriation of American blacks to Africa, voted in Barack Obama.

The question of what happened in Iowa is still unclear to me, however. Was it a bunch of Republican voting in the Democratic primary who have given us a choice between white and black or were the voting machines tampered with again like they were in Florida for the last presidential election?
We may never know.
It is a sad commentary on the people of Iowa that they have decided to potentially hand the reigns of our national government over to a man who admits smoking pot like a chimney and who is associated with a church whose very basis for belief is founded upon racism, bigotry and ignorance.

Perhaps you should look in the mirror when you say things like the above. Just because he came from a certain church, doesn't mean he's going to act on his religious believes or whatever you claim them to be, and screw everybody over. I came from a Roman Catholic background, but I no longer follow that religion.... my choice, nobody else's.... but regardless even if I did still follow RC religion, if I became president or Prime minister, I sure as hell would not allow any of my personal religious views hinder my decisions of the collective of the country, which is built by many cultures, religions, races and backgrounds. It is an unfair practice and something that should have never had a chance to take place in any president/prime minister's position..... AKA: Bush shouldn't have shot his mouth of about a "Holy Crusade" against Evil Doers.... his mouth helped start the thing your bad guys wanted in the first place..... an excuse.

Maybe it is all a bad joke but I don’t want Barack Obama to be put into a position where he has access to nuclear weapons.

Yet that monkey brain Bush is alright?....... ok.

I don’t want Barack Obama to burrow any further into our national government as he will bring along with him his followers. Even if we, like the deluded people of Illinois, give him the benefit of the doubt what guarantee is there that among his bizarre followers there are not some traitors who for a chance at glory with Allah would betray us all?

Having a man like Barack Obama in charge of the largest arsenal on earth which contains nuclear weapons, biological horrors and advanced technology is not wise.
Let him lead his people home, if they are fool enough to follow him into the ocean when he pretends to part the water, but let him leave our people alone.
I think he has gotten just about enough out of America and America has had just about enough of him.
What do you think?

I think you sound pretty racist to me, but you asked. "Let him leave our people alone?" FFS man, he IS your people.... he IS a part of your country... and the moment you all begin to stop this racist paranoia, thinking each on of your races are planning to kill off the other, the better your country will be.

 

[Praxius]

Oh by the way, I smoke loads of Pot.... Vote Prax for President!

Now excuse me while I continually masturbate and then go out and eat some babies.

Added:

Ok, I don't know why it's seperating quotes on me above.... I edited them and they went back to the same thing again.... oh well the point was made.

Also..... perhaps I was mistaken saying "Other Presbyterian Presidents" and perhaps I should have said Protestant... either way it doesn't matter, if they're Protestant, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Friggin Pee Wee Hermin Worship Cult.... religion should not have anything to do with running a country which is filled with many, many different religions.

 

[jimshort19]

Pangloss, you do, you do, you do! I'm feeling light-headed. Give me your phone number.

Karrie, It's just another day at the office of racist conspiracy, and you are in control of the Machine. Turn up the tolerance! Let's listen to the Machine!

"Why are they crowing over a half-black, half-American guy?" People of Iowa. 3% black. The black blood is thicker than the white!