Nothing suggests that Obama would strengthen Britain's alliance with US

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Recent surveys show that Barack Obama is much less popular in Britain than he is in France and Germany.

In France, Obama leads McCain in the opinion polls by a whopping 51 points. In Germany, which went over the top when Obama visited a few days ago, Obama leads McCain by 49 points.

But in Britain (where people are traditionally more Right-Wing in politics than most of the rest of Europe), Obama leads McCain by just 30 points.

According the Nile Gardiner, Obama may also be disastrous for the UK-US alliance, the engine of the free world since the War........


Does Obama ever think of us?


By Nile Gardiner
27/07/2008
The Telegraph


The presumptive Democratic presidential candidate barack Obama with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in London on Saturday. Obama is much less popular in Britain than he is in other European countries.



Barack Obama's brief visit to London coincided with the opening of the new Batman film in British cinemas. How fitting.

On his journey through Europe last week the US presidential contender garnered adulation fit for a superhero. As a series of polls has shown, if the British public could vote on the American race, Obama would crush his rival John McCain by a margin of four or five to one.

Even 28 Tory MPs are backing him amidst an outbreak of Westminster Obamamania, despite his left-wing voting record, which made him the most liberal senator of 2007.


The British and European euphoria surrounding Obama's trip is easy to understand. He is widely perceived as a charismatic, JFK-like figure, offering a seductive vision of a softer, sensitive America, while pledging to transform the negative image of the most powerful nation on earth.

But let's consider the British national interest. When you push the spin and hype aside, there is scant evidence to suggest that an Obama presidency would actually strengthen the Anglo-American alliance, which has long been the engine of the free world. In fact, there is a risk it would be significantly weakened.

The special relationship was forged in the dark days of World War Two through the partnership between Winston Churchill and Franklin D Roosevelt, and has been a dominant feature of US and British foreign policy ever since. It is embodied in the close-knit military and intelligence ties between the two nations, as well as the huge volume of mutual trade and investment.

The alliance reached its zenith in the 1980s with the leadership of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, a powerful partnership that successfully faced down the Soviet empire. After a period of decline it was successfully revived by George W Bush and Tony Blair in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The Republican political elites in Washington still see the special relationship as critically important, a view shared by Senator McCain. In contrast, the Democrats have shown little affection for Britain in recent years, partly because of their love affair with continental Europe, but also due to Blair's unstinting support for Bush over the war in Iraq.

After meeting with Gordon Brown yesterday, Senator Obama briefly acknowledged the special relationship, but only after prompting by journalists.

He has yet to show much affinity with Britain; we should be wary of taking yesterday's remarks at face value. In fact, his key foreign policy speeches have not mentioned Britain at all.

An Obama presidency could well usher in a seismic shift in the transatlantic alliance, with the centre of gravity of US policy in Europe moving away from London towards Berlin and Paris. His controversial decision to make Germany and France the centrepiece of his European tour, with Britain tacked on almost as an afterthought, is a clear sign of the importance placed by the Obama camp on enhanced relations with the continent.

The Democrats are traditionally strong supporters of a united, federal Europe, and have little sympathy for British objections to the further centralisation of political, military and economic power in Brussels. If David Cameron becomes prime minister at the head of a Eurosceptic administration, Downing Street and an Obama White House would be worlds apart.

And it won't only be Obama's European policy that will grate in London. Closely aligning himself with powerful labour unions, Obama has pronounced protectionist tendencies. He has opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement as well as a host of free trade treaties from Colombia to South Korea.

If the Left wins control of the White House in November's election, many fear a new era of American protectionism will emerge. This could have a real and tangible impact in the UK - in shielding domestic US workers from foreign competition, including in the sensitive area of defence contracts, the Democrats would put thousands of British jobs at stake. This will draw the White House into conflict with the pro-free trade UK.

In his support for protectionist measures against the effects of globalisation, Obama will find common ground with several European leaders, including the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, and it will consequently become harder for Britain to break down Europe's own protectionist follies such as the Common Agricultural Policy.

Britain's chattering classes should be careful what they wish for. Senator Obama promises change and a bold new course for the United States. The end result may be an America that looks away from Britain and erects higher barriers to trade and investment.

The special relationship has lasted over 60 years as the most powerful and successful partnership of modern times. Unfortunately it might not survive the next presidential election.

Nile Gardiner is director of the Margaret Thatcher Centre for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, DC


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/14/barackobama.johnmccain

US election 2008: Britain's backing Obama: Democrat beats McCain by five votes to one



Obama’s support in Britain does not alter across age barriers, as it does in the US. Photograph: Bryan Oller/AP/The Gazette

Barack Obama is overwhelmingly Britain's choice to be the next US president, five times more popular than his Republican rival, John McCain, a Guardian/ICM poll shows today. Carried out ahead of the Democratic candidate's visit to Britain next week, the poll reveals that 53% feel certain he would make the best president, with only 11% favouring McCain; 36% declined to express an opinion.
 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/14/barackobama.johnmccain

US election 2008: Britain's backing Obama: Democrat beats McCain by five votes to one



Obama’s support in Britain does not alter across age barriers, as it does in the US. Photograph: Bryan Oller/AP/The Gazette

Barack Obama is overwhelmingly Britain's choice to be the next US president, five times more popular than his Republican rival, John McCain, a Guardian/ICM poll shows today. Carried out ahead of the Democratic candidate's visit to Britain next week, the poll reveals that 53% feel certain he would make the best president, with only 11% favouring McCain; 36% declined to express an opinion.

IMO: still too early!
 

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I really don't get the big fuss. It sounds like school children fretting about who is their "best" friend. You can have lots of good friends and it doesn't have to be threatenning.
 

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Oh right.

You would have prefered the USSR.........

Because make no mistake, that was the choice.

Definitely have to agree with you on that one, but as time went by the u.s.
got too big headed with their 'so called', most powerful country in the world,
forgot how to be a peaceful power, instead became a threatening power, I will be
happy to see them get back to a good 'balance', we all need that.
 

Avro

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Oh right.

You would have prefered the USSR.........

Because make no mistake, that was the choice.


Asking a question instead of answering one is weak minded.

But to answer it; of course I wouldn't have preferred the USSR but let's not pretend the so called leaders of the free world have been perfect or anything close to it. In fact it could easily be argued the meddling by the Yanks and Brits made things worse than they already were. Oh but because they were better than the USSR would have been we are all suppose to bow before them because they were the lesser of two evils.....give me a break.
 

scratch

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Asking a question instead of answering one is weak minded.

But to answer it; of course I wouldn't have preferred the USSR but let's not pretend the so called leaders of the free world have been perfect or anything close to it. In fact it could easily be argued the meddling by the Yanks and Brits made things worse than they already were. Oh but because they were better than the USSR would have been we are all suppose to bow before them because they were the lesser of two evils.....give me a break.

Acceptable to me.
 

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Asking a question instead of answering one is weak minded.

But to answer it; of course I wouldn't have preferred the USSR but let's not pretend the so called leaders of the free world have been perfect or anything close to it. In fact it could easily be argued the meddling by the Yanks and Brits made things worse than they already were. Oh but because they were better than the USSR would have been we are all suppose to bow before them because they were the lesser of two evils.....give me a break.

I asked no question.

You belittle nations that have taken gigantic strides in the last 60 years.....in racial equality, in justice, in the elimination of their colonial past, in women's rights, in science, in medicine, most of which took place in a time of conflict between two views of the world espoused by two great powers, two civilizations......one of which would have enslaved us all in an ideological hell.

Perfect? Perfection, to paraphrase Plato, exists only in the mind of God.

Worse off? Worse off than what?

The English speaking world is among the best places on earth to live. Personally, I would like to see Great Britain give the idiotic and dangerous EU the finger in favour of an economic and military alliance of the English speaking world....the United States, Canada, Great Britain, India, Australia and New Zealand.........but I'm not holding my breath.

BTW, the weak minded spend there time seeking out the imperfections in the good world around them, because it makes them feel significant...........

Self-doubt is a terrible thing, isn't it?
 
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scratch

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I asked no question.

You belittle nations that have taken gigantic strides in the last 60 years.....in racial equality, in justice, in the elimination of their colonial past, in women's rights, in science, in medicine, most of which took place in a time of conflict between two views of the world espoused by two great powers, two civilizations......one of which would have enslaved us all in an ideological hell.

Perfect? Perfection, to paraphrase Plato, exists only in the mind of God.

Worse off? Worse off than what?

The English speaking world is among the best places on earth to live. Personally, I would like to see Great Britain give the idiotic and dangerous EU the finger in favour of an economic and military alliance of the English speaking world....the United States, Canada, Great Britain, India, Australia and New Zealand.........but I'm not holding my breath.

BTW, the weak minded spend there time seeking out the imperfections in the good world around them, because it makes them feel significant...........

Self-doubt is a terrible thing, isn't it?

It is. I have to deal with it on a daily basis.
 

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I asked no question.

You belittle nations that have taken gigantic strides in the last 60 years.....in racial equality, in justice, in the elimination of their colonial past, in women's rights, in science, in medicine, most of which took place in a time of conflict between two views of the world espoused by two great powers, two civilizations......one of which would have enslaved us all in an ideological hell.

Perfect? Perfection, to paraphrase Plato, exists only in the mind of God.

Worse off? Worse off than what?

The English speaking world is among the best places on earth to live. Personally, I would like to see Great Britain give the idiotic and dangerous EU the finger in favour of an economic and military alliance of the English speaking world....the United States, Canada, Great Britain, India, Australia and New Zealand.........but I'm not holding my breath.

BTW, the weak minded spend there time seeking out the imperfections in the good world around them, because it makes them feel significant...........

Self-doubt is a terrible thing, isn't it?

Oh no dear Colpy, weak minded people hide behind ideology like you and any other con or Liberal for that matter.