Not guilty. The Israeli captain with no counciousness

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1643573,00.html


Not guilty. The Israeli captain who put 17 bullets into a Palestinian schoolgirl

· Officer ignored warnings that teenager was terrified
· Defence says 'confirming the kill' standard practice


An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.
The soldier, who has only been identified as "Captain R", was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.

The manner of Iman's killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was "scared to death", made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.

After the verdict, Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.

"They did not charge him with Iman's murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times," he said. "This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children."

The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.

Capt R's lawyers argued that the "confirmation of the kill" after a suspect is shot was a standard Israeli military practice to eliminate terrorist threats.

Following the verdict, Capt R burst into tears, turned to the public benches and said: "I told you I was innocent."

The army's official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb. It is still not known why the girl ventured into the area but witnesses described her as at least 100 yards from the military post which was in any case well protected.

A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

Although the military speculated that Iman might have been trying to "lure" the soldiers out of their base so they could be attacked by accomplices, Capt R made the decision to lead some of his troops into the open. Shortly afterwards he can be heard on the recording saying that he has shot the girl and, believing her dead, then "confirmed the kill".

"I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over," he said.

Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

On the tape, Capt R then "clarifies" to the soldiers under his command why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed."

At no point did the Israeli troops come under attack.

The prosecution case was damaged when a soldier who initially said he had seen Capt R point his weapon at the girl's body and open fire later told the court he had fabricated the story.

Capt R claimed that he had not fired the shots at the girl but near her. However, Dr Mohammed al-Hams, who inspected the child's body at Rafah hospital, counted numerous wounds. "She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs," he told the Guardian shortly afterwards. "The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face."

The army's initial investigation concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically". But after some of the soldiers under his command went to the Israeli press to give a different version, the military police launched a separate investigation after which he was charged.

Capt R claimed that the soldiers under his command were out to get him because they are Jewish and he is Druze.

The transcript

The following is a recording of a three-way conversation that took place between a soldier in a watchtower, an army operations room and Capt R, who shot the girl

From the watchtower "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." "I think that one of the positions took her out." "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

From the operations room "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts

Watchtower "I think that one of the positions took her out."

Captain R "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Capt R then "clarifies" why he killed Iman

"This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."




:evil: can you people believe that our governement support israelis gov??

Shame on bush, shame on harper, shame on the whole coalition of ignorants, and especially shame on those who still support them.
 

Johnny Utah

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aeon said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1643573,00.html


Not guilty. The Israeli captain who put 17 bullets into a Palestinian schoolgirl

· Officer ignored warnings that teenager was terrified
· Defence says 'confirming the kill' standard practice


An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.
The soldier, who has only been identified as "Captain R", was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.

The manner of Iman's killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was "scared to death", made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.

After the verdict, Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.

"They did not charge him with Iman's murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times," he said. "This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children."

The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.

Capt R's lawyers argued that the "confirmation of the kill" after a suspect is shot was a standard Israeli military practice to eliminate terrorist threats.

Following the verdict, Capt R burst into tears, turned to the public benches and said: "I told you I was innocent."

The army's official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb. It is still not known why the girl ventured into the area but witnesses described her as at least 100 yards from the military post which was in any case well protected.

A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

Although the military speculated that Iman might have been trying to "lure" the soldiers out of their base so they could be attacked by accomplices, Capt R made the decision to lead some of his troops into the open. Shortly afterwards he can be heard on the recording saying that he has shot the girl and, believing her dead, then "confirmed the kill".

"I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over," he said.

Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

On the tape, Capt R then "clarifies" to the soldiers under his command why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed."

At no point did the Israeli troops come under attack.

The prosecution case was damaged when a soldier who initially said he had seen Capt R point his weapon at the girl's body and open fire later told the court he had fabricated the story.

Capt R claimed that he had not fired the shots at the girl but near her. However, Dr Mohammed al-Hams, who inspected the child's body at Rafah hospital, counted numerous wounds. "She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs," he told the Guardian shortly afterwards. "The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face."

The army's initial investigation concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically". But after some of the soldiers under his command went to the Israeli press to give a different version, the military police launched a separate investigation after which he was charged.

Capt R claimed that the soldiers under his command were out to get him because they are Jewish and he is Druze.

The transcript

The following is a recording of a three-way conversation that took place between a soldier in a watchtower, an army operations room and Capt R, who shot the girl

From the watchtower "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward." "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?" "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death." "I think that one of the positions took her out." "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

From the operations room "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower "A girl about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot from one of the army posts

Watchtower "I think that one of the positions took her out."

Captain R "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Capt R then "clarifies" why he killed Iman

"This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."




:evil: can you people believe that our governement support israelis gov??

Shame on bush, shame on harper, shame on the whole coalition of ignorants, and especially shame on those who still support them.
Another fine BS Anti-Israeli thread from Aeon. :lol:
 

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I LOVE the transcipts!

"She's running defensivly west"
"She's behind the embankment scared to death"

Who talks like that?

What a crock.
 

aeon

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Johnny Utah said:
Another fine BS Anti-Israeli thread from Aeon. :lol:

doh, anti-semite, dowh anti-israel, doh anti-american, doh, anti-euh eueh, eueh , anti-, eueh,anti- sueh anti------ euh damnn i dont know what to say anymore, change your fucking song, for once, at least use your brain for this forum, by not quoting the entire article.
 

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What happened to that child was tragic, tragic. However why was this "Child" alone in a Military Zone? I'd need more information to rule this tragic event as colded blooded murder.
 

EagleSmack

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aeon said:
Johnny Utah said:
Another fine BS Anti-Israeli thread from Aeon. :lol:

doh, anti-semite, dowh anti-israel, doh anti-american, doh, anti-euh eueh, eueh , anti-, eueh,anti- sueh anti------ euh damnn i dont know what to say anymore, change your *censored* song, for once, at least use your brain for this forum, by not quoting the entire article.

Maybe this is a good spot for one of your "cut and paste" articles Aeon.

You add so much to this forum. :roll:
 

aeon

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Two comments; [1] 17 bullets is a waste of good ammo and [2] the entire region is a War zone.

2 comment

1. shut the hell up if you have nothing to say

2. shut the hell up if you have nothing to say.
 

#juan

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Two comments; [1] 17 bullets is a waste of good ammo and [2] the entire region is a War zone.

This little girl had family. She was still a hundred yards away when she was shot. The Captain who emptied his gun into the child is no better than an animal. He said he would have done the same if the girl had been three years old. Waste of bullets? This guy is a waste of air.
 

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If this is true, this phuck should receive a bullet in his head, especially since he said he would do the same thing if the girl was 3 YEARS OLD?!?!

:puke:
 

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Sassylassie said:
What happened to that child was tragic, tragic. However why was this "Child" alone in a Military Zone? I'd need more information to rule this tragic event as colded blooded murder.

I agree 100%
 

Johnny Utah

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aeon said:
Johnny Utah said:
Another fine BS Anti-Israeli thread from Aeon. :lol:

doh, anti-semite, dowh anti-israel, doh anti-american, doh, anti-euh eueh, eueh , anti-, eueh,anti- sueh anti------ euh damnn i dont know what to say anymore, change your *censored* song, for once, at least use your brain for this forum, by not quoting the entire article.
Be real any Israel thread posted by your is Anti-Israeli!
You sure went out of your way to find this story, what did you google "Anti-Israeli"?

This story is from November 16, 2005 how long did it take you to dig it up to add to the collection of your Anti-Israeli threads?

In your race to glory to bash Israel you forget to mention Terrorist groups Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad use children as suicide bombers. After reading the transcript even though it's sad what happen to this girl the blame rests on the shoulders of the Terrorists who use children as suicide bombers which could impair the judgement of Israeli Soldiers when they see children and have to decide in secs if they are possible hostiles/suicide bombers.
 

Jersay

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Blind to Israeli crimes and jumps at the chance to blame palestinians for everything aren't you Johnny, and Eaglesmack.

Who cares what the date was, the girl was murdered, an innocent human was murdered by a soldier for the IDF. This is not the first or the last time.

You say people who try to cite Israeli actions that cause death are ant- this and that and are blind to the Palestinian actions.

However, you are blind yourself to the actions by this particular Israeli soldier.

What Hamas does is terrible. What the IDF has done in the past and in the present is not much better. Both have blood on their hands.
 

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The killing, the fact that she was there, the fact that this story exists.... and the fact that every day another story just as horrific as this happens. It's fr*ggin gut-wrenching. :(
 

FiveParadox

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Re: Innocent Deaths

In my opinion, this tragedy (whether or not the accused had been convicted for whatever charges may have been made) is another reason for everyone to hope for a quick and peaceful conclusion to the continued traumatic violence that occurs throughout the Middle East (and in this particular case, the State of Israel and the Palestinian Authority).
 

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RE: Not guilty. The Israe

As much as I know what people can do to other people it always hurts to read something like this, because really it's got nothing to do with sides in the end, but with humanity ,those who commit acts like this are vile pigs those who jump to thier defence are vile pigs, it would not have hurt your position at all to express normal human revulsion at the act regardless of the nationality of the soldier.
There are five names here who I will never acknowledge in these threads again.
 

Johnny Utah

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Jersay said:
Blind to Israeli crimes and jumps at the chance to blame palestinians for everything aren't you Johnny, and Eaglesmack.
You must be very slow, I have said over and over I never blamed the Palestinians I blamed Terrorist groups Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad and you know that so keep trying to paint me that way because you lose.
 

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Blame
Hate
Fear
Pain



Every single participant in the atrocities we read about on a dialy basis share something in common - regardless of the 'side' they fight for.

They're human beings.......fighting.

When someone commits an act I cannot fathom, I am forced to remember that there are people living in a reality I can't fathom.

A murdered 13 year old child's family is living in a reality I can't fathom. The soldier who shot her is too.

Think about it. Would you - could you ever imagine what kind of a life you would have had to have lived in order to lose your own sense of humanity to the point that you would be willing, possibly even relish the idea of taking another's life? Repeatedly.... in large numbers?

Who's worse off - the one who loses his humanity or the one who loses his life?

Even being on the outside watching in helpless bewilderment is it's own form of torture.
 

Jersay

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Then you should be able to reject IDF actions when they now I will say this correctly 'when they commit terrorist actions' when one or more or planes kill civilians 'intentionally'.