mrmom2 said:
Oh yes, and I guess you are getting your information first hand from Pyongyang. You have some source embedded in the North Korea Missle program or perhaps you are friends with someone in the Pentagon?
North Korea is the Real Threat
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Oh yes, and I guess you are getting your information first hand from Pyongyang. You have some source embedded in the North Korea Missle program or perhaps you are friends with someone in the Pentagon?
I didn't say i knew what was really going on over there Das :roll: It's know it alls like you that are telling everybody whats going on 
You believe all the propaganda coming out of the mass media do you?I don't believe any of it there selling the goverments agenda :wink:
You believe all the propaganda coming out of the mass media do you?I don't believe any of it there selling the goverments agenda :wink:RE: North Korea is the Re
Most of the responsible media around the world is reporting that North Korea has between 2 and 8 nuclear weapons. The number they say have the capability of reaching North America is someplace between 1 in development and 2 ready to go.
Those are pretty wide ranges with pretty wide-ranging implications, but they are the numbers that various intelligence services and the IAEA use.
Most of the responsible media around the world is reporting that North Korea has between 2 and 8 nuclear weapons. The number they say have the capability of reaching North America is someplace between 1 in development and 2 ready to go.
Those are pretty wide ranges with pretty wide-ranging implications, but they are the numbers that various intelligence services and the IAEA use.
Reverend Blair said:
I don't remember if they discussed his reluctance to the missiles. That doesn't really matter, since he must have agreed to it at some time....
My fear of communism might seem comical to a sympathizer, but I'm not convinced this threat has died and all is well with the world again.
"Your belief that they want to destroy the world if they can't take it over..."
I never said that.
An interesting artical I found
http://www.virginia.edu/uvanewsmakers/newsmakers/naftali.html
"Fidel stuck to three basic themes in his talks, in the four hours that he dominated. He talked about the betrayal of Cuba by the Soviets. His statements about the United States were muted. One could see that his "charm offensive" dictated some of what he would say about us. But about the Soviets, he did not hold back. He lambasted Kruschev for having forced the missiles upon them. The Cuban position is that they never wanted the missiles. And then in a dramatic and humiliating fashion, to decide to remove them without consulting the Cuban Government at all. When Castro spoke, the passion of his anger was genuine. This was not theater. You could see it--he shook a little bit. His voice increased and his timbre changed. This man is still angry, forty years later, at the Soviets.
The second great theme was that he was the defender of Cuban sovereignty, and that, of course, is linked to this sense of betrayal. There some of the most interesting admissions were made. Fidel explained why he was willing to risk escalating this crisis by shooting down American planes without Soviet approval. On October 26 and later in November, angry at the state of the crisis and its resolution, Fidel ordered his own men to use their anti-aircraft guns against American planes that were flying low-level reconnaissance missions. The Soviets did not ask him to do this. The Soviets did not want him to do this. In fact, the Soviets sent an envoy just to tell him to stop. But, it did not matter because Fidel felt himself the embodiment of Cuban sovereignty and he was going to do whatever he pleased to show that Cuba would not be stepped on by either super power. This was a constant theme in our discussions. "
mrmom2 said:I didn't say i knew what was really going on over there Das :roll: It's know it alls like you that are telling everybody whats going on
No, actually I am not basing my opinion on any media source. Actually, working as a scientist and my understanding of nuclear physics, plus my understanding of jet propulsion and aerodynamics has lead me to believe that North Korea is incapable of launching a nuclear war head from it's own territory that can reach the North American continent.
I watch and read the news; I didn't say I live by it.
Sorry Das you could have let on you know a fair bit about the subject 8O Well this redneck fellar from the sticks will shut up and listen then :lol: :lol:mrmom2 said:
Sorry, I hope I didn't come across rude or condescending. It was not my intention.
Truthfully though, nobody really knows the true state of the North Korean missile program, however based on the what I know, the likelihood of them having 1 or 2 missiles capable of arriving here is unlikely. At best they could maybe hit Alaska and that would be a long shot.
In addition, the lack of testing (and it is pretty hard to hid those) also leads me to believe that they aren't as far along as people think. Finally, the facilities needed to house these types of weapons (long range) are large and would have been picked up by satellite. Again, it is hard to hide, especially with Japan and US South Korea next door.
Being communist doesn't mean you are crazy. I seriously doubt the government of North Korea wants to be obliterated. They would get one shot and then they would be toast.
Don't base your Kim Jong Il opinion on that Team America movie; I think it is slightly skewed!
Jay said:
No, I don't work in that field. I'm more in medical research to save people's lives.
I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, I've already stated that I'm of East Indian decent and now I'm a scientist. I don't need a free extended vacation to Eastern Cuba.
Actually, it was the IAEA that refuted the Bush lies about both the yellowcake from Niger and the metal tubes. Several intelligence organizations argued that there was no evidence that Saddam had working WMD, which is where a lot of the opposition to the war in the international community came from.
His choice was starvation for his people. Not much of a choice.
I'm not a sympathizer. In case you haven't figured it out yet there is a huge difference between democratic socialism and Stalinist communism. I do not see a real threat in Cuba though...or North Korea for that matter.
And how would the US have reacted to Cuban or Soviet planes flying over Florida?
Reverend Blair said:
I think he had other choices. For one he could have chosen freedom instead of communism, and he could have worked with America instead of turning his back on her.
We have been here before; you believe you’re not a communist, but a social democrat. I think social democrats don't believe in freedom.....an on it goes.
Cuba doesn't appear to be a major threat right now, agreed.
North Korea: the world is having meetings over them. Many believe there is a threat, but at the least, they aren’t proponents to stability for themselves or the world.
But on the same note, would you have considered Bin Laden to be a threat before 911? I doubt it.
I think N. Korea, and Cuba are worse threats than Bin was, and look what happened.
The point is that Castro pulled some very disturbing maneuvers trying to play the Soviets and Americans off each other, even though he knew it could have lead to nuclear war. He didn’t care. He claims to have done this all to protect Cuban sovereignty, but then claims the Soviet Union forced the missiles on him…..
Here's a link for those of you want information on the Cuban Missile Crisis, it features declassified documents from all sides.
Cuban Missile Crisis
May give you a perspective on North Korea today, scary stuff.
Cuban Missile Crisis
May give you a perspective on North Korea today, scary stuff.
DasFX said:
Point well taken, DasFX, but we're talking in relatives, here. Compared to 'Dear Psycho', Bush is the Dalai Lama. :wink:
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Yeah not like the millions of barrrels they're pumping out of Kosovo and Somalia :roll:
The biggest threat with N. Korea having nukes is their need for hard currency. They would become a nuclear clearing house, supplying anyone who could pay for it.
Iran on the other hand, would nuke Israel in short order.
Reverend Blair said:
Yeah not like the millions of barrrels they're pumping out of Kosovo and Somalia :roll:
The biggest threat with N. Korea having nukes is their need for hard currency. They would become a nuclear clearing house, supplying anyone who could pay for it.
Iran on the other hand, would nuke Israel in short order.
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Hey, how come the US is pushing so much for N Korea to give up its nuclear program; you would think that Japan and China would be more vocal about it. The US would love if it nobody else had nuclear weapons except them. How do you think they would react if we developed them? C'mon, we couldn't even have better fighter jets than them (Avro Aero)
Bush wants to deflect attention from Iraq, which he screwed up, and re establish the level of fear into the American people, so he can continue to wield his power unchallenged.
Iran only got the weapons because Israel got them. If I were Iran, I'd get them too.
Just the Facts said:
Hey, how come the US is pushing so much for N Korea to give up its nuclear program; you would think that Japan and China would be more vocal about it. The US would love if it nobody else had nuclear weapons except them. How do you think they would react if we developed them? C'mon, we couldn't even have better fighter jets than them (Avro Aero)
Bush wants to deflect attention from Iraq, which he screwed up, and re establish the level of fear into the American people, so he can continue to wield his power unchallenged.
Iran only got the weapons because Israel got them. If I were Iran, I'd get them too.
He'd just booted them out along with their puppet, Batista. Whether you like it or not, Jay, things are better for the Cuban people under Castro than were under Batista.
I think that you have a lot learn about politics, especially about the centre and left of the political system. I really don't give a rat's ass what you "think", I just wish that you'd take the time to learn the facts.
But are they a real threat to security? They are isolated, their nuclear production is minimal. Both Korea and it's potential nuclear customers are under the constant scrutiny of the international community.
Seems that everybody but the Bush regime thought so. Oh, and you.
You are comparing apples, oranges and tangerines.
He played the cards he had. All the evidence is that the missiles were forced on him. The US was trying to starve him out (still are more than forty years later).
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I don't think Japan is too happy about N Korea flying missiles over their air space. I think Japan is very worried about it.
China likes anything that antagonizes the USA and Japan.
The US would love it if Canada had a viable nuke program. To them it would mean we actually care about security, and we would actually be depending on ourselves to defend Canada instead of riding the coattails of US military budgets.
It may be Iran is only developing the program because of Israel, but it really begs the question, why did Iran sign the nonproliferation agreement? I would have taken Israel’s stance on this. I wouldn't have signed it.
Iran does need electricity though, and therefore it needs to have this program, let’s just hope it contains itself to electricity production, and not weapons development.
DasFX said:
I don't think Japan is too happy about N Korea flying missiles over their air space. I think Japan is very worried about it.
China likes anything that antagonizes the USA and Japan.
The US would love it if Canada had a viable nuke program. To them it would mean we actually care about security, and we would actually be depending on ourselves to defend Canada instead of riding the coattails of US military budgets.
It may be Iran is only developing the program because of Israel, but it really begs the question, why did Iran sign the nonproliferation agreement? I would have taken Israel’s stance on this. I wouldn't have signed it.
Iran does need electricity though, and therefore it needs to have this program, let’s just hope it contains itself to electricity production, and not weapons development.