No Oil Simulation

Liberalman

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No Oil Simulation

In Denmark there is a two week conference to deal with the so called fossil fuel crises where they will set up some type of cap and trade system to limit the pollution caused by this burning of the oil from vehicles to factories.

Let’s try this simulation if you are all up to it.

Let’s say tomorrow when all the oil worker show up for their shift to their surprise water starts coming out of the holes that they drilled all over the world.

I read somewhere that there is only of two to three months of oil supply left in the storage facilities.

To make the transition from a oil dependent society to one that needs no fossil fuel what needs to happen?

I believe that we have the technology right now to make it happen and as we start to make products to cut the oil consumption in mass production the price of the products will go down.

We can make lubrication oils out of agricultural products because all machines need lubrication to operate.

There are different products out there to heat the homes and businesses that don’t use fossil fuel

If the oil were to run out tomorrow how long would it take for society to get back on their feet and how can it be accomplished?

 

Tonington

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It would take years, decades, and many people would die. With no oil, you have no container shipping, no diesel trains or tractor trailers, you have no diesel for farmers to produce their goods. You would need to produce en masse electric vehicles. You would have very limited transportation of goods, which means the factories would have to produce nearly every single part needed. Cities would be hit hard. If resources can't be shipped into the cities, then city living, sub-urb living is impossible.

This scenario gets far worse. I'm only scratching the surface. You can't make the switch over night. It has to be sustained and over time.
 

Liberalman

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You got horses and sailing ships and with new tech ships that are electric.

The trades can come back to the countries and there would be more employment
 
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You got horses and sailing ships and with new tech ships that are electric.

The trades can come back to the countries and there would be more employment
Have you even considered which country controls 95 % of the rare earths required for your batteries and other new technologies. Guess which country????
 
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The United States has some of the largest deposits, but doesn't produce much anymore and gets them instead from China.

If the batteries are lithium-ion, they still have a long ways to travel. Argentina, Chile, Bolivia...a long way for horses to travel!
 

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The United States has some of the largest deposits, but doesn't produce much anymore and gets them instead from China.

If the batteries are lithium-ion, they still have a long ways to travel. Argentina, Chile, Bolivia...a long way for horses to travel!

If you look at any appliance in your home it has to cut down the power to run the appliance this is why there is a lot of resisters in the different equipment.

If you build little generators for each appliance or machine then you don’t need centralized power generation that causes the pollution.

No more high-tension power lines criss-crossing the landscape and no more power loss to entire cities creating panic.

The major ways that electricity is produced is through a generator that uses movement to make it turn like water, wind, steam, etc.

A small generator is possible for each home.
 

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The United States has some of the largest deposits, but doesn't produce much anymore and gets them instead from China.

If the batteries are lithium-ion, they still have a long ways to travel. Argentina, Chile, Bolivia...a long way for horses to travel!
And China is slapping a ban on eports of rare earths to force companies to relocate - bring high end jobs - new technologies and more exports at the high end - China can produce at approx 1/3 the cost of the US due to no environmental protections - areas around the plants in China are completetly toxic to water - land - air -

We have exported our pollution to Asia.