Sadly those are the people seeking 70 virgins .WILLFUL ignorance. I rest my case. Copy and paste to your hearts content. There are several folks with IQ's lower than 70 who will listen..
No Matter How Depraved You Are, God's Good With It
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Eternal fire is part of hell and the people that are sent to hell would be the goats from that same passage.
M't:25:41:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me,
ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
The Pit from the OT is another name for hell when referencing fallen angels or the people that are sinners on the day the 7th trump sounds. Jude mentions 10,000 Saints and that was a prophecy when Enoch mentioned it and it was a past event when Moses mentioned it.
Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
The Pit is like plan 'B' as it is a holding area where they can no longer torment mankind (as in trying to make 5 fingered people extinct)
Hell for men is plan 'B' as far as the sheep and goats are concerned. Sinners and fallen angels are in the hell at the same time but men are behind a locked gate and that gate remains locked until the GWT event. If these men were destined to be sent to the fiery lake then the gates would be opened when Satan and the other fallen angels are let loose for Satan's 'little season' before they are all sent to the fiery lake.
Hell has a starting point and an ending point. The starting point is the 3 1/2 years that unfold prior to the 7th trump sounding as that trump starts the 7 vials determination in which all human sinners are killed and Satan is put into chains and thrown into the Pit. (a place he has to go to before he can be sent to the lake. That is the same for all fallen angels. The Beast from the Pit is released when the 5th trump sounds and it is sent to the lake because it has already been in the Pit. (as is the False Prophet because it is also an angelic being.
The selection below is the men in hell and when they mock Satan that is their repentance which doesn't get them out of hell when they do it but it does help when they are brought out of that place at the GWT event.
Isa:14:9-17:
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:
it stirreth up the dead for thee,
even all the chief ones of the earth;
it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
All they shall speak and say unto thee,
Art thou also become weak as we?
art thou become like unto us?
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee,
and the worms cover thee.
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,
and consider thee,
saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness,
and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Hebrews:12 is a chapter about chastisement and the part below puts it as being at the GWT as it is not on earth or even the heaven.
Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
The people that are resurrected and alive for the 1,000 year reign are not given in marriage so they never have children even when they reside inside New Jerusalem. The ones who live outside the walls are the who are having children in Isaiah:65. The verse about a infant dying and an old man fulfilling his time is about the ones called 'the rest' in Re:20 and they are 'the Flock and the ones living in the City are the Shepherds.
More proof can be found in Re:7 as that chapter gives us the order of who is saved and some are sealed before any trumps sound but the 2nd group mentioned is the ones at the GWT event as God and the Lamb are not together until that time. The 1,000 year reign is Christ on the Throne and God only puts in His first appearance when Satan is being sent to the fiery lake.
Re:7:9-14:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory, and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The angels mentioned are the same ones from the Hebrew:12 so that connection has to be acknowledged.
One change that allows a lot of 'changes' is that Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy is a single block of time and the last week is not separate. Revelations has it's own timeline.
Eze:39:24-29:
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD;
Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob,
and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel,
and will be jealous for my holy name;
After that they have borne their shame,
and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me,
when they dwelt safely in their land,
and none made them afraid.
When I have brought them again from the people,
and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.
Neither will I hide my face any more from them:
for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel,
the Lord GOD.
The 'land of the enemy in prophecy is the grave rather than it being any Gentile Nation.
M't:25:41:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me,
ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
The Pit from the OT is another name for hell when referencing fallen angels or the people that are sinners on the day the 7th trump sounds. Jude mentions 10,000 Saints and that was a prophecy when Enoch mentioned it and it was a past event when Moses mentioned it.
Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying,
Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
The Pit is like plan 'B' as it is a holding area where they can no longer torment mankind (as in trying to make 5 fingered people extinct)
Hell for men is plan 'B' as far as the sheep and goats are concerned. Sinners and fallen angels are in the hell at the same time but men are behind a locked gate and that gate remains locked until the GWT event. If these men were destined to be sent to the fiery lake then the gates would be opened when Satan and the other fallen angels are let loose for Satan's 'little season' before they are all sent to the fiery lake.
Hell has a starting point and an ending point. The starting point is the 3 1/2 years that unfold prior to the 7th trump sounding as that trump starts the 7 vials determination in which all human sinners are killed and Satan is put into chains and thrown into the Pit. (a place he has to go to before he can be sent to the lake. That is the same for all fallen angels. The Beast from the Pit is released when the 5th trump sounds and it is sent to the lake because it has already been in the Pit. (as is the False Prophet because it is also an angelic being.
The selection below is the men in hell and when they mock Satan that is their repentance which doesn't get them out of hell when they do it but it does help when they are brought out of that place at the GWT event.
Isa:14:9-17:
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming:
it stirreth up the dead for thee,
even all the chief ones of the earth;
it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
All they shall speak and say unto thee,
Art thou also become weak as we?
art thou become like unto us?
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave,
and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee,
and the worms cover thee.
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,
and consider thee,
saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness,
and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Hebrews:12 is a chapter about chastisement and the part below puts it as being at the GWT as it is not on earth or even the heaven.
Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
The people that are resurrected and alive for the 1,000 year reign are not given in marriage so they never have children even when they reside inside New Jerusalem. The ones who live outside the walls are the who are having children in Isaiah:65. The verse about a infant dying and an old man fulfilling his time is about the ones called 'the rest' in Re:20 and they are 'the Flock and the ones living in the City are the Shepherds.
More proof can be found in Re:7 as that chapter gives us the order of who is saved and some are sealed before any trumps sound but the 2nd group mentioned is the ones at the GWT event as God and the Lamb are not together until that time. The 1,000 year reign is Christ on the Throne and God only puts in His first appearance when Satan is being sent to the fiery lake.
Re:7:9-14:
After this I beheld,
and,
lo,
a great multitude,
which no man could number,
of all nations,
and kindreds,
and people,
and tongues,
stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb,
clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;
And cried with a loud voice,
saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne,
and about the elders and the four beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
Amen:
Blessing,
and glory, and wisdom,
and thanksgiving,
and honour,
and power,
and might,
be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
And one of the elders answered,
saying unto me,
What are these which are arrayed in white robes?
and whence came they?
And I said unto him,
Sir,
thou knowest.
he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes,
and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The angels mentioned are the same ones from the Hebrew:12 so that connection has to be acknowledged.
Religious thread bring out the worst in them but since they cannot put any actual arguments forward they are more of a comedy routine. At least you and I can find our way around the book. I'm going to assume some of what I say is going to go against such doctrines as the pre-trib rapture crowd and a few others.ooh trolls quoting each other. lol!
One change that allows a lot of 'changes' is that Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy is a single block of time and the last week is not separate. Revelations has it's own timeline.
You haven't talked with many Christians or Atheists have you?
Have you noticed that about 6M Jews can't find the place as they are still living in the 'Nations'. Kind og put the gathering a not being part of God's prophecy.
Eze:39:24-29:
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them,
and hid my face from them.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD;
Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob,
and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel,
and will be jealous for my holy name;
After that they have borne their shame,
and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me,
when they dwelt safely in their land,
and none made them afraid.
When I have brought them again from the people,
and gathered them out of their enemies' lands,
and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God,
which cause them to be led into captivity among the heathen:
but I have gathered them unto their own land,
and have left none of them any more there.
Neither will I hide my face any more from them:
for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel,
the Lord GOD.
The 'land of the enemy in prophecy is the grave rather than it being any Gentile Nation.
More importantly, some of his self-appointed mouthpieces don't pay tax. If the government approves of them as mouthpieces of Gawd.
Speaking of the U.S., of course.
Oh, no. I don't play with logical fallacies. I do enjoy reading yours, though. Some of them are quite inventive.
Don't be silly. I never pay a dime I can dodge.
Generally, they have big-money lawyers from major firms.
I doubt they can make your contribution to the thread any funnier than it already is. Clueless tards should become the new youtube craze and you two could finally be the leader of the pack.
You guys are the ones who are always without any answers. That is 'clueless' as it gets and theology is where it stands out the greatest. You actually publish how inept you are on the subject, that is not just clueless it is 'fu*king clueless'. lol