No Friend of Canadians
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Nope, do not. The author has basically found him guilty because he happens a citizen of Syria.
On a side note, I do not agree with dual citizenship.
Because I like to get opinions from posters, that's why I come to forums, I don't need to hear others repeat what I believe.
ITN
I can understand your enthusiasm for fear mongering, it's what the Republican's in the U.S. use for sport but if you really want to check out a bad liar who deserves to be investigated further check-out George Bush, a lying criminal who should be in a prison somewhere.
I can understand your enthusiasm for fear mongering, it's what the Republican's in the U.S. use for sport but if you really want to check out a bad liar who deserves to be investigated further check-out George Bush, a lying criminal who should be in a prison somewhere.
Funny Bitways any article that rebuttals your argument is propaganda but you post the truth and only the truth regarding articles or links. Gag me with a spoon.
Mikey wrote: can understand your enthusiasm for fear mongering, it's what the Republican's in the U.S. use for sport but if you really want to check out a bad liar who deserves to be investigated further check-out George Bush, a lying criminal who should be in a prison somewhere.
Careful Mikey your hatred is glowing a bright orange across this thread, it you want to be taken seriously you are going to have to leave your "I hate Bush/US" hat home in the nursery.
Mikey wrote: can understand your enthusiasm for fear mongering, it's what the Republican's in the U.S. use for sport but if you really want to check out a bad liar who deserves to be investigated further check-out George Bush, a lying criminal who should be in a prison somewhere.
Careful Mikey your hatred is glowing a bright orange across this thread, it you want to be taken seriously you are going to have to leave your "I hate Bush/US" hat home in the nursery.
couldn't be said better
Agree 100%
I really don't care if someone keeps 2 sets of passports, but if they do they are still citizens of both countries and will have to deal with issues of both countries. Why hold on to a countries papers if you don't agree with the way they treat people and have moved on to a better country?
Canada spent who knows how much saving Lebonese nationals from their home country to have them all return after the bombs stopped...sounds like flags of convenience to me!!
Agree 100%
I really don't care if someone keeps 2 sets of passports, but if they do they are still citizens of both countries and will have to deal with issues of both countries. Why hold on to a countries papers if you don't agree with the way they treat people and have moved on to a better country?
Canada spent who knows how much saving Lebonese nationals from their home country to have them all return after the bombs stopped...sounds like flags of convenience to me!!
If that particular opinion was at all properly informed I would heed it.
By international law the US was compelled to return Arar to his originating port of call. The would have been Switzerland. The US and the RCMP were working on having him returned directly to Canada as a convenience. By bilateral agreement the US should have never even CONSIDERED sending Arar to Syria since it is known to torture prisoners.
Whether ITN was aware of that or not is irrelevant since he has already stated after the fact that he doesn't even agree with the premise of the article. and kindly spare me the hyperbole. I said I try to avoid it. I may not be perfect but I'm certainly not so deliberate about it as that.
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See that two dimensionality I spoke to you about earlier is clouding your perspective. I don't hate George Bush I don't even dislike the man, my venom is reserved for the mind-set of people like George Bush however and the unprincipled and fascist ends he and his Komrads pursue. He just happens to be the lead-war-mongerer at this point in time and the leader of a nation of back-stabbing lying businessmen the folk Bush himself called his "base"..ie. the have more' s".
Besides 2D I don't think you're the one to qualify what anyone thinks about anything given your display of conceptual difficulties and integration handicap.
ITN posts because he's driven to survive and do what he can to save a sinking ship built by Americans who believe they harbor a natural superiority to the rest of the world and being manned by a dry-drunk Texan who's been unable to maintain the fraud of his "patriotism".
I post becasue I hope to meet somone with whom I could have a conversation with that's a little deeper than your political and prejudiced hysteria permits. But hey it takes all kinds to make a world and I'm sure there's a place here for people such as yourself who think in sound-bytes and cliches.
Besides 2D I don't think you're the one to qualify what anyone thinks about anything given your display of conceptual difficulties and integration handicap.
ITN posts because he's driven to survive and do what he can to save a sinking ship built by Americans who believe they harbor a natural superiority to the rest of the world and being manned by a dry-drunk Texan who's been unable to maintain the fraud of his "patriotism".
I post becasue I hope to meet somone with whom I could have a conversation with that's a little deeper than your political and prejudiced hysteria permits. But hey it takes all kinds to make a world and I'm sure there's a place here for people such as yourself who think in sound-bytes and cliches.
Its funny, that another post on the forum was "Man makes his own destiny" etc. Sounds like Mr A created his own destiny by keeping his old citizenship.
When I move to Canada next year, I will keep my British citizenship as well. My kids will have dual nationality when they are born too. I cannot decide for my future children whether they want to be English or Canadian, thats a decision for them when they grow up. I am 26, old enough to make my own decisions, but the decisions of others are not in my hands.
When I move to Canada next year, I will keep my British citizenship as well. My kids will have dual nationality when they are born too. I cannot decide for my future children whether they want to be English or Canadian, thats a decision for them when they grow up. I am 26, old enough to make my own decisions, but the decisions of others are not in my hands.
I'm always surprised at how quickly the blame game takes effect. This man was wrongly tortured for two years. He should not have been sent to Syria. Does anyone honestly believe the US authorities sent him there, rather than Canada, for any reason OTHER than for that to happen? The RCMP should not give any unverified info about Canadians to another government. If they think he's a threat, THEY should deal with him themselves.
This part, at least, is bull****.
Everybody is innocent until proven guilty.
The writer has it backwards.
Ah, EXCUSE ME?
The Yanks ASKED us if we wanted him.
We said "NO!"
So they kicked him back to his OTHER country. Perfectly understandable.
CANADA abandoned him. This is a CANADIAN fiasco. CANADA is responsible. CANADA rejected one of their own.
Very nice, BW, except NOBODY gives a flattened penny about international law.
Or hadn't you noticed?
geez. that's so wrong it hurts. we were asked if we'd be able to press charges and we said we couldn't. neither could the US, which was the whole problem in the first place.
its in the report. and that stray article where a Senator says otherwise is total hearsay, never entered into evidence and totally contradicted by the testimony of those who were actually involved.
Okay, but did we say "He's a Canadian citizen. Send him home to US"? NO! Makes us just as guilty. I thought our government was supposed to be an advocate for us.
I already said they were working on getting him sent directly to Canada instead of going to the trouble of routing him through Switzerland. Syria was NEVER even part of the discussions.
Just to put things in perspective, David Milgaard, a real Canadian citizen, not a divided-loyalty citizen, spent 23 years in our steel and concrete penitentiaries, almost a third of a lifetime before he was declared falsely imprisoned and innocent by means of DNA evidence. He and his family suffered years in humiliation, financial and legal drain, the frustration of being innocent and everyone denying your word. Suffering God knows what indignities in our prisons and suffering psychological trauma of the worst kind. Twenty three years! And all throughout those many years his mother waged a valiant and frustrating battle, even to get his case reviewed or finding anyone in government to listen. That horror far exceeds anything done by Syria to Mr. Arar.
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That man imprisoned for 23 years won't get the kind of compensation Mr Arar will.
Sucks when your cause isn't the headline du jour.
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That man imprisoned for 23 years won't get the kind of compensation Mr Arar will.
Sucks when your cause isn't the headline du jour.
Here's the crux of the matter: the guy had dual citizenship, and I DON'T have a problem with that, but it is a risk you take if you choose to stay a citizen of a country led by a lunatic mass murderer. (and NO, I don't mean GW. Sigh) It was AS correct for the Americans to send him back to his OTHER country of origin as it was to send him to Canada. The onus was on US to immediately claim him as one of ours, and go to bat for him. We did NOT do that, with the USA, or even with Syria, considering the idiot from our embassy denied he was being mistreated.
The Yanks had NO responsibility for him. He was NOT theirs.