no control tower?
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This topic only caught my eye because it was a Canadian built aircraft. There are many of these jets around the world and they've had a great record.
I think this is the sort of accident that happens when pilots become like bus drivers. Everything will be done by the book for the next few years now, until boredom jumps out and bites somebody else in the ass.
This topic only caught my eye because it was a Canadian built aircraft. There are many of these jets around the world and they've had a great record.
I think this is the sort of accident that happens when pilots become like bus drivers. Everything will be done by the book for the next few years now, until boredom jumps out and bites somebody else in the ass.
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On our news they reported the tapes only referrences, from both the controller and the cockpit, were to the longer ruway. He really messed up. Full of fuel and passengers. what a shame.....
your correct in that it will last until the next big headline.
On our news they reported the tapes only referrences, from both the controller and the cockpit, were to the longer ruway. He really messed up. Full of fuel and passengers. what a shame.....
your correct in that it will last until the next big headline.
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The runways are named by compass heading. It should have alerted someone when the heading going down the runway was twenty or thirty degrees off. The take off can be a very busy time but they should have had an engine out procedure already plotted. It's easy to sit back here and criticize when we weren't there and don't know what the weather and visibility was like. Hindsight is always 20-20.
The runways are named by compass heading. It should have alerted someone when the heading going down the runway was twenty or thirty degrees off. The take off can be a very busy time but they should have had an engine out procedure already plotted. It's easy to sit back here and criticize when we weren't there and don't know what the weather and visibility was like. Hindsight is always 20-20.
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Ther latest I heard was that the tower had told the pilot that the lights were not working on the long runway: They were out for servive. However before the plane took off, the maintenance crew truned the runway lights back on, with no update from the tower. It seems possible that the pilot thought the runway without lights was the correct runway (unfortunately).
Ther latest I heard was that the tower had told the pilot that the lights were not working on the long runway: They were out for servive. However before the plane took off, the maintenance crew truned the runway lights back on, with no update from the tower. It seems possible that the pilot thought the runway without lights was the correct runway (unfortunately).
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I'm beginning to think the airport and the controller have some responsibility in this accident. Apparently there was a change in taxi routing that led pilots to a bit of confusion. Runway 22 (the long runway)was mentioned to the pilots so taking off on a heading that was 40 degrees off seems incredible.
The title of this topic, "Probably no control tower" came from deregulation that let a lot of smaller airports operate without control towers. Lexington had a tower and one controller. Initial news reports didn't say. I guessed, wrongly, that there was probably no tower because I thought the tower would have caught an aircraft taking off on the wrong runway.
I'm beginning to think the airport and the controller have some responsibility in this accident. Apparently there was a change in taxi routing that led pilots to a bit of confusion. Runway 22 (the long runway)was mentioned to the pilots so taking off on a heading that was 40 degrees off seems incredible.
The title of this topic, "Probably no control tower" came from deregulation that let a lot of smaller airports operate without control towers. Lexington had a tower and one controller. Initial news reports didn't say. I guessed, wrongly, that there was probably no tower because I thought the tower would have caught an aircraft taking off on the wrong runway.
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Exactly.
In a whole big bunch of careers, including mine, complacency KILLS!
#juan said:
Exactly.
In a whole big bunch of careers, including mine, complacency KILLS!
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I just heard that the controller in question had only two hours sleep in the previous 24 when he started his shift.........
#juan said:
I just heard that the controller in question had only two hours sleep in the previous 24 when he started his shift.........
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Colpy wrote:
That sort of explains it. I worked for DOT(Dept of Transport) for about eight years. At that time airports fell under that department. Whenever I talked to air traffic controllers, it was obvious that they knew the performance details of every aircraft that was likely to use their airport. He would have known the short runway was not near long enough.
If the guy only had a couple hours of sleep, you can bet it will be in the headlines soon.
Colpy wrote:
That sort of explains it. I worked for DOT(Dept of Transport) for about eight years. At that time airports fell under that department. Whenever I talked to air traffic controllers, it was obvious that they knew the performance details of every aircraft that was likely to use their airport. He would have known the short runway was not near long enough.
If the guy only had a couple hours of sleep, you can bet it will be in the headlines soon.
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Not only that, but the only controller on duty, once he cleared the aircraft for takeoff, turned around and did paperwork, so he didn't even notice that the aircraft was on the wrong runway.
Not only that, but the only controller on duty, once he cleared the aircraft for takeoff, turned around and did paperwork, so he didn't even notice that the aircraft was on the wrong runway.
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Authorities have admitted they were in violation of Transportation regulations by only having one controller in the tower instead of two as required by regulations. the controller on duty did nothing wrong.
TenPenny said:
Authorities have admitted they were in violation of Transportation regulations by only having one controller in the tower instead of two as required by regulations. the controller on duty did nothing wrong.
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Other aircraft crews have complained about the confusing taxi routing. If the controller had said something like," Your takeoff heading will be 220 degrees, be sure of it." I don't think this accident would have happened.
Other aircraft crews have complained about the confusing taxi routing. If the controller had said something like," Your takeoff heading will be 220 degrees, be sure of it." I don't think this accident would have happened.
Crash may spell end of Comair
Harry R. Webber
The Associated Press
The deadly Kentucky crash involving a Comair flight could make the regional carrier's survival even tougher.
Comair has been operating under bankruptcy protection for nearly a year and has been battling with its flight attendants over pay cuts. Last week its parent, Delta Air Lines Inc., put some of its regional jet service out to bid - a move that could weaken Comair. Sunday's crash that killed 49 people puts Comair in an even more precarious position.
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Harry R. Webber
The Associated Press
The deadly Kentucky crash involving a Comair flight could make the regional carrier's survival even tougher.
Comair has been operating under bankruptcy protection for nearly a year and has been battling with its flight attendants over pay cuts. Last week its parent, Delta Air Lines Inc., put some of its regional jet service out to bid - a move that could weaken Comair. Sunday's crash that killed 49 people puts Comair in an even more precarious position.
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