Nine Die in Cartoon Protests in Libya

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PESHAWAR, Pakistan - A Pakistani cleric announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who drew the Prophet Muhammad. In Libya, a demonstration against the caricatures left the Italian consulate on fire and at least nine people dead, according to an Italian diplomat.

Denmark, where a newspaper first published the cartoons, temporarily closed its embassy in Pakistan and advised its citizens to leave the country.

An Italian consular official, Antonio Simoes-Concalves, said nine protesters had been killed in the demonstration in the Libyan city of Bengazi as armed police fired bullets and tear gas on a crowd of more than 1,000 demonstrators.

Libyan security officials said 11 people had been killed or wounded, but gave no breakdown.

"They are still continually firing," Simoes-Concalves said late Friday, speaking by telephone from inside the consulate where he was holed up. "They haven't managed to block them."

The Italian Foreign Ministry confirmed that the first floor of the consulate had been set on fire after the crowd charged into the grounds late Friday.

Libyan state television showed firefighters trying to put out the fire, ambulances taking casualties away from the scene and five cars that were severely damaged in the riot.

Security officials said the demonstrators hurled stones and bottles at the consulate, and later entered the grounds and set fire to the building and a consular car.

Police fired shots to try to disperse the crowd, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to speak to the press.

No Italians were injured, the Italian Foreign Ministry said.

In Pakistan, Mohammed Yousaf Qureshi announced the bounty for killing a cartoonist to about 1,000 people outside the historic Mohabat Khan mosque in the northwestern city of Peshawar.

He said the mosque and the religious school he leads would give a $25,000 reward and a car for killing the cartoonist who drew the caricatures — considered blasphemous by Muslims. He said a local jewelers' association would also give $1 million, but no representative of the association was available to confirm the offer.

"Whoever has done this despicable and shameful act, he has challenged the honor of Muslims. Whoever will kill this cursed man, he will get $1 million dollars from the association of the jewelers bazaar, one million rupees ($16,700) from Masjid Mohabat Khan and 500,000 rupees ($8,350) and a car from Jamia Ashrafia as a reward," Qureshi said.

"This is a unanimous decision of by all imams of Islam that whoever insults the prophets deserves to be killed and whoever will take this insulting man to his end, will get this prize," he said.

Qureshi did not name any cartoonist in his announcement and he did not appear aware that 12 different people had drawn the pictures.

A Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, first printed the prophet pictures in September. The newspaper has since apologized to Muslims for the cartoons, one of which shows Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban. Other Western newspapers, mostly in Europe, have reprinted the pictures, asserting their news value and the right to freedom of expression.

In Denmark, a spokesman for the Jyllands-Posten declined comment on the bounty offer. But Mogens Blicher Bjerregaard, president of the Danish Journalist Union and spokesman for the cartoonists, condemned it.

"It is totally absurd what is happening. The cartoonists just did their job and they did nothing illegal," he said.

He said the cartoonists — who have been living under police protection since last year — are aware of the reward and are "feeling bad about the whole situation." He did not say whether their security had been stepped up.

Unrest over the cartoons has spiraled in Pakistan. Riots in Lahore and Peshawar this week caused millions of dollars in damage. Hundreds of vehicles were burned and protesters targeted U.S. and other foreign businesses. Five people were killed.

Intelligence officials have said scores of members of radical and militant Islamic groups joined the protests in Lahore on Tuesday and incited violence in a bid to undermine President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's government, a close ally of the United States.

On Friday, police confined the leader of the militant group Jamaat al-Dawat, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, to his home to stop him from addressing supporters in the city of Faisalabad, about 75 miles away, his spokesman Yahya Mujahid said.

A senior police official in Lahore who confirmed Saeed's detention said the government had ordered police to restrict the movement of all religious leaders who might address rallies and to round up religious activists "who could be any threat to law and order."

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

In Islamabad, visiting former President Bill Clinton criticized the cartoons but said Muslims wasted an opportunity to build better ties with the West by holding violent protests.

"I can tell you, most people in the United States deeply respect Islam ... and most people in Europe do," he said.

Denmark, meanwhile, said it had temporarily closed its embassy in Pakistan and urged Danes to leave the country. Last week, Denmark temporarily shut its embassies in Lebanon, Syria, Iran and Indonesia.

In neighboring India, police used batons and tear gas to disperse thousands of angry worshippers who rioted in the southern city of Hyderabad. Hundreds more protested in Bangladesh.

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Said1

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Who would have thought cartoons would be the straw that broke the proverbial camels back. I mean seriously. Get a grip people.
 

MMMike

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What a bunch of morons. Get ready for the 'clash of civilizations'. How about a preemptive strike?
 

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RE: Nine Die in Cartoon P

If I had been the Dane in charge I would have immediately run a series of cartoons denigrating every religion. It would have defused the situation and reinforced the publisher's stand for free speech. In addition, it would allow us to see who can take a joke and who can't. Then, whomever was unable to laugh would be prescribed UN-mandated humor therapy.

Seek solution beyond inflammatory knee-jerk reaction.
 

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Re: RE: Nine Die in Cartoon P

meta4r said:
If I had been the Dane in charge I would have immediately run a series of cartoons denigrating every religion. It would have defused the situation and reinforced the publisher's stand for free speech. In addition, it would allow us to see who can take a joke and who can't. Then, whomever was unable to laugh would be prescribed UN-mandated humor therapy.

Seek solution beyond inflammatory knee-jerk reaction.

We already know how christians react, by fine works as The Divinity Exhibit, Piss Christ and The Last Temptation. They send letters to their politicians and march in protest.
 

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A Pakistani cleric announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who drew the Prophet Muhammad.
Geez, they really must be running out of virgins.....now its cash in this life. :roll: :D
 

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Re: RE: Nine Die in Cartoon Protests in Libya

Colpy said:
A Pakistani cleric announced a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who drew the Prophet Muhammad.
Geez, they really must be running out of virgins.....now its cash in this life. :roll: :D

You think that might be tax deductible Colpy given it's religious nature?
 

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Sorry for the long post...

Lets take a look at social history of the world...

What countries have contributed to the modern age:

Contributions of Canada:
AC Radio Tube ..invented by Edward Samuels Rogers in 1925
Acetylene ...Thomas L. Wilson invented the production process in 1892
Analytical Plotter ...a 3d map making system invented by Uno Vilho Helava in 1957
Anti-Gravity Suit ...invented by Wilbur Rounding Franks in 1941, a suit for high altitude jet pilots
Automatic Postal Sorter ...in 1957, Maurice Levy invented a postal sorter that could handle 200,000 letters an hour
Basketball ...invented by James Naismith in 1891
Bone Marrow Compatibility Test ...invented by Barbara Bain in 1960
Computerized Braille ...invented by Roland Galarneau in 1972
Compound Steam Engine ...invented by Benjamin Franklin Tibbetts in 1842
Electric Cooking Range ...Thomas Ahearn invented the first in 1882
Electron Microscope ...Eli Franklin Burton, Cecil Hall, James Hillier, Albert Prebus co-invented the electron microscope in 1937
Electric Light Bulb ...Henry Woodward invented the electric light bulb in 1874 and sold the patent to Thomas Edison
Film Colourization ...invented by Wilson Markle in 1983
Gramophone ...co-invented by Alexander Graham Bell & Emile Berliner in 1889
Heart Pacemaker ...invented by Dr. John A. Hopps in 1950
Insulin Process ...Fredrick Banting, J. J. Macleod, Charles Best and Collip invented the process for insulin in 1922
Kerosene ...invented by Doctor Abraham Gesner in 1846
Plexiglas ...(Polymerized Methyl Methacrylate) invented by William Chalmers in 1931
Prosthetic Hand ...an electric prosthetic invented by Helmut Lucas in 1971
Television ...Reginald A. Fessenden patented a television system in 1927
Telephone ..invented by Alexander Graham Bell in 1876
Undersea Telegraph Cable ...invented by Fredrick Newton Gisborne in 1857
Wireless Radio ...invented by Reginald A. Fessenden in 1900
...and so much more

Contributions of America:
The first working airplane was invented, designed, made, and flown by the Wright brothers, Wilbur Wright and Orville Wright
The aqualung is a breathing apparatus that supplied oxygen to divers and allowed them to stay underwater for several hours. It was invented in 1943 by Jacques-Yves Cousteau
The Assembly Line... Primitive assembly line production was first used in 1901 by Ransome Eli Olds, an early car-maker (he manufactured the Oldsmobile, the first commercially successful American car).
Henry Ford used the first conveyor belt-based assembly-line in his car factory in 1913-14 in Ford's Highland Park
The blood Bank ...The idea of a blood bank was pioneered by Dr. Charles Richard Drew
George Washington Carver ...was an American scientist, educator, humanitarian, and former slave. Carver developed hundreds of products from peanuts, sweet potatoes, pecans, and soybeans; his discoveries greatly improved the agricultural output and the health of Southern farmers. Before this, the only main crop in the South was cotton. The products that Carver invented included a rubber substitute, adhesives, foodstuffs, dyes, pigments, and many other products.
Thomas Alva Edison was an American inventor whose many inventions revolutionized the world. His work includes improving the incandescent electric light bulb and inventing the phonograph, the phonograph record, the carbon telephone transmitter, and the motion-picture projector.
Robert Hutchings Goddard was an American physicist and inventor who is known as the father of modern rocketry
and more and more and more ... this list goes on..

England, Germany, China, Russia, Japan, even Ireland and more have contributed so much to the very fabric of our modern age. Yet Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, and so many 3rd world and muslim nations have given nothing... they have taken and taken, came to our countries, ate up our social systems, critized our values, and utimately terrorized our society .. just one example WTC 9/11 and countless other horrific attacks across the globe.

I am not saying all people are worthless from these nations... but history and facts state most of em are, they have done little to nothing to improve the world and make it a better place to live...

The Solution: Neutron Bombs!

Neutron bombs, also called enhanced radiation bombs (ER weapons), are small thermonuclear weapons in which the burst of neutrons generated by the fusion reaction is intentionally not absorbed inside the weapon, but allowed to escape. The X-ray mirrors and shell of the weapon are made of chromium or nickel so that the neutrons are permitted to escape. Contrast this with cobalt bombs, also known as salted bombs.

This intense burst of high-energy neutrons is the principal destructive mechanism.

The term "enhanced radiation" refers only to the burst of ionizing radiation released at the moment of detonation, not to any enhancement of residual radiation in fallout.

A neutron bomb requires considerable amounts of tritium, which has a relatively short half-life (12.32 years). The neutron bombs that existed in the United States arsenal in the past were variants of the W70 and the W79 designs.


They need to be used up anyway!

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
 

Hank C

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Its sad...but if you are dumb enough to attend these protests and are fully aware of what is going on in the world right now....I have no sympathy for you getting killed. The protesters that is....I feel for the innocents being torn apart by these barbarians.
 

FiveParadox

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I wonder how the world would react if Muslims in, say, Canada, were killed in a protest? If the world would say "Hey, that's wrong!" Or go "Hm. Well. Okay." With some of the comments I have seen made, I would think the latter. Which is, in and of itself, a sad state of affairs.
 

zoofer

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5Par. You are a liberal multiculturalist who has gone astray. You seem to be bending over backwards protecting the rioting Islamists. Digging up the KKK and NeoCon "racism" to rebut the Islamist's actions won't wash today.
 

FiveParadox

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This is saddening.

This situation has nothing to do with political affiliation, nor does it have anything to do with political philosophy. This has everything to do with offending people where it is not warranted — this has everything to do with trying to fix a problem by making the problem worse. This has everything to do with certain members of the world stage, and even these forums, launching personal attacks against entire groups of people, on the actions of a few.

I have no intention of allowing such comments to go unchallenged.
 

Hank C

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Re: RE: Nine Die in Cartoon Protests in Libya

FiveParadox said:
I wonder how the world would react if Muslims in, say, Canada, were killed in a protest? If the world would say "Hey, that's wrong!" Or go "Hm. Well. Okay." With some of the comments I have seen made, I would think the latter. Which is, in and of itself, a sad state of affairs.

If muslims in Canada were caught burning down buildings and killing people, the police or even military action should be swift and deadly. Those who are found guilty, throw em in prison......others should be deported to Guantanamo Bay for our American friends to teach them respect

As for how I would react..... A nice "hm.well.ok" is definately on the table. :wink: