Newspapers Urge President to Quit

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Outrageous, out of the question? Of course. Then again, here's what happened in the summer of 1998 when the president was named Clinton. Dozens of editorial pages clamored for him to quit (see this list). "He should resign," the Philadelphia Inquirer declared, "because his repeated, reckless deceits have dishonored his presidency beyond repair."

By Greg Mitchell

(January 03, 2006) -- What did "I" do? On Dec. 21, I wrote a little news story for this site about the sudden appearance of the "I" word -- impeachment, that is -- in reputable publications. The outrage over revelations about President Bush's approval of spying on Americans without a warrant was then at its height, before subsiding to its current level of what-will-they-think-of-next cynicism.

We got a lot of negative mail about that article, even though we didn't take a position on the matter, but simply pointed out that the "I" word was now being uttered in some surprising places (Barron's magazine?). Certainly, it's no "slam dunk" -- to coin a phrase -- that the president should be impeached, and most Democrats don't even want it to happen, either because they think they can make hay in the November elections with Bush still in office, and/or they fear a short but perhaps brutal reign of our own King Richard I.

Still, it amazes me when people make fun of the very notion that a president under a dark cloud might be asked to leave office, or given a push, in light of the very recent experience involving one William Jefferson Clinton. This seems especially poignant, in light of President Clinton leaving office with an approval rating over 60%, while the current occupant of the White House sits at around 40%. Then there's the perennial debate over the relative demerits of fooling around with an intern vs. fooling an entire country into going to war based on false evidence (and anything else you'd care to add on top of that).

In any case, while still not taking a position on impeachment, I thought it would be interesting to look back at how the press reacted to the Clinton Crisis of 1998. Did newspaper editorials condemn Clinton for his screwing around, and lying about it, and leave it at that, or did they come out squarely for his exit from office?

What follows, from an Associated Press rundown on September 15, 1998, is a long list of newspapers that "called for President Clinton's resignation." AP added that some of those listed "did so before the release of Kenneth Starr's report on Sept. 11."

Indeed, the Philadelphia Inquirer responded to the coming of the Starr report this way: "Bill Clinton should resign. He should resign because his repeated, reckless deceits have dishonored his presidency beyond repair."

The Los Angeles Times pointed out: "The picture of Clinton that now emerges is that of a middle-aged man with a pathetic inability to control his sexual fancies."

The New York Times, on its Howell Raines-led editorial page, thundered that until the Starr turn, "no citizen ... could have grasped the completeness of President Clinton's mendacity or the magnitude of his recklessness." Yet a Washington Post poll that month showed that while a majority of Americans wanted Congress to censure Clinton, they did not want it to boot him out of office.

Here is that AP partial list of newspapers calling for Clinton to quit (other papers no doubt joined in later):

NATIONAL:
USA Today

ALABAMA:
The Mobile Register
Montgomery Advertiser

ARIZONA:
Tucson Citizen

CALIFORNIA:
San Jose Mercury News
The Orange County Register
The North (San Diego) County Times
The Record, Stockton

COLORADO:
The Denver Post

CONNECTICUT:
The Day of New London
Norwich Bulletin

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
The Washington Times

FLORIDA:
The Orlando Sentinel
The Tampa Tribune

GEORGIA:
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The Augusta Chronicle

ILLINOIS:
Chicago Tribune

INDIANA:
The Indianapolis Star
Chronicle-Tribune of Marion
South Bend Tribune
The Times of Northwest Indiana

IOWA:
The Des Moines Register

KANSAS:
The Topeka Capital-Journal

LOUISIANA:
The Times-Picayune of New Orleans
The News-Star, Monroe

MICHIGAN:
The Grand Rapids Press
Detroit Free Press

MINNESOTA:
Post-Bulletin of Rochester

MISSISSIPPI:
Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal, Tupelo

MISSOURI:
Jefferson City News-Tribune

NEBRASKA:
Lincoln Journal Star

NEVADA:
Reno Gazette-Journal

NEW JERSEY
The Trentonian, Trenton

NEW MEXICO:
Albuquerque Journal
The Santa Fe New Mexican

NEW YORK:
Sunday Freeman of Kingston
Utica Observer-Dispatch

NORTH CAROLINA:
The Herald-Sun of Durham
Winston-Salem Journal

OHIO:
The Repository, Canton
The Cincinnati Enquirer
The Cincinnati Post

OKLAHOMA:
The Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma City
Tulsa World

OREGON:
Statesman Journal, Salem

PENNSYLVANIA:
The Philadelphia Inquirer
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

SOUTH CAROLINA:
The State, Columbia

SOUTH DAKOTA:
Argus Leader, Sioux Falls

TEXAS:
San Antonio Express-News
El Paso Times

UTAH:
Standard-Examiner, Ogden
The Spectrum, St. George
The Salt Lake Tribune, Salt Lake City
Deseret News, Salt Lake City

VIRGINIA:
Daily Press of Newport News

WASHINGTON:
The Seattle Times

WISCONSIN:
The Post-Crescent, Appleton
The Journal Times, Racine

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Texas1

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That's right people in New York City need no protection.
Think about that smart ass.
 

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Texas1 said:
That's right people in New York City need no protection.
Think about that smart ass.

People in New York City are not willing to give up their liberties for security, and we were directly attacked.
 

Texas1

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What liberties did you give up? were you making calls to iraq or iran ?

You have something to hide?

NAS you catch that, this guy has something to hide, get his IP and pay him a visit.
 

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Was this the little punch the ACLU has been dreaming up or are we expecting yet another round from them...

The ACLU has gone way beyond their original vision and have become so politicized they have lost their way.

Editorials aren't paid for and I understand the ACLU have paid for an ad....so I guess there is more stuff to be put on the backs of the public.
 

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Re: RE: Newspapers Urge President to Quit

Texas1 said:
What liberties did you give up? were you making calls to iraq or iran ?

You have something to hide?

NAS you catch that, this guy has something to hide, get his IP and pay him a visit.

The liberties that the Supreme Court is slowly but surely striking down one by one.

The liberties that the Republican controlled congress agreed not to renew but opted to extend the Patriot Act to reach an agreement on certain provisions.

Those liberties :D
 

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I think not said:
Texas1 said:
What liberties did you give up? were you making calls to iraq or iran ?

You have something to hide?

NAS you catch that, this guy has something to hide, get his IP and pay him a visit.

The liberties that the Supreme Court is slowly but surely striking down one by one.

The liberties that the Republican controlled congress agreed not to renew but opted to extend the Patriot Act to reach an agreement on certain provisions.

Those liberties :D

Which ?
 

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Two sections of the Patriot Act have been declared unconstitutional. In Doe v. Ashcroft, a federal district court struck down a “national security letter” records power expanded by the section 505(a) of the Patriot Act, noting that the failure to provide any explicit right for a recipient to challenge a such a broad national security letter search order power violated the Fourth Amendment. It also held that the automatic rule that the recipient can tell no one that the recipient has received the order or letter, including any attorney with whom they may want to consult, violated the First Amendment. Judge Marrero, who handed down the decision, noted as an example of the kind of abuse now authorized by the statute that it could be used to issue a NSL to obtain the name of a person who has posted a blog critical of the government, or to obtain a list of the people who have e-mail accounts with a given political organization. Doe struck down in its entirety the national security letter statute that was amended by the Patriot Act, rendering all of section 505(a) inoperative if the decision is upheld on appeal.

In Humanitarian Law Project v. Ashcroft, the court held that specific phrases in Title 18 Section 2339A, as amended by the Patriot Act section 805(a)(2)(B), violated First Amendment free speech rights and Fifth Amendment due process rights. Section 2339A criminalizes providing "material support or resources" to terrorists and defines material support as including, inter alia, "expert advice or assistance."The plaintiffs in the case sought to provide support to lawful support to organizations labeled as terrorist organizations. The court agreed with the plaintiffs’ argument that the phrase “expert advice or assistance” was vague and it prohibited protect speech activities, such as distributing human rights literature or consulting with an attorney. The court noted that the Patriot Act bans all “expert” advice regardless of the nature of the advice, which assumes that all expert advice is material support to a terrorist organization. Moreover, the court held that the phrase violated due process by failing to give proper notice of what type of conduct was prohibited.

And one of the reasons the Patriot Act has been extended:

The statute authorizing the use of “national security letters” as amended by the Patriot Act 505(a) contains no judicial oversight. The statute allows the government to compel the production of financial records, credit reports, and telephone, Internet, and other communications or transactional records. The letters can be issued simply on the FBI’s own assertion that they are needed for an investigation, and also contain an automatic and permanent nondisclosure requirement. In the most controversial portions of the Patriot Act that require judicial oversight, the judge wields a rubber-stamp. For example, Section 215 requires the FBI to apply to a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to obtain an order for the production of business records. The FBI must only specify that the records pertain to a foreign intelligence investigation, a vague and broad concept. The judge is required to issue the order after the FBI makes this specification, making the judicial review a mere formality than actual oversight.
 

Texas1

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BS, People like you and the ACLU are the ones going to get USA attacked again.
 

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Wednesday's Child said:
Was this the little punch the ACLU has been dreaming up or are we expecting yet another round from them...

The ACLU has gone way beyond their original vision and have become so politicized they have lost their way.

Editorials aren't paid for and I understand the ACLU have paid for an ad....so I guess there is more stuff to be put on the backs of the public.

I don't agree with everything the ACLU says, but 90% of the time they are spot on.
 

Texas1

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Other then when it happens I’ll come back with the proverbial “I told you so”
 

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Re: RE: Newspapers Urge President to Quit

Texas1 said:
That's right people in New York City need no protection.
Think about that smart ass.
Texas ... argue the point, don't attack the poster. Yer attitude leaves a little to be desired ... pissing people off doesn't serve to further discussion. When people start attacking, it's a sure way to end all debate. Kind of a pissy way to try to win an argument, in my books.
Cosmo
 

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Re: RE: Newspapers Urge President to Quit

Texas1 said:
BS, People like you and the ACLU are the ones going to get USA attacked again.
Texas ... how many of your posts are direct attacks on ITN???? Give it a break. Either play nice or go away. I'm not going to hang out in the political sandbox to keep you from hair pulling. I have little patience for personal attacks ... not to mention they are clearly stated in TOS. Perhaps you need to have a wee read:
Rules
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