New research confirms ISIS fighters don't actually understand Islam

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Isis: UN study finds foreign fighters in Syria 'lack basic understanding of Islam'

Young men who leave their homes to fight for terrorist groups in Syria mainly come from disadvantaged backgrounds, have low levels of education and “lack any basic understanding of the true meaning of jihad or even the Islamic faith”, according to a new report.

A study for the United Nations Office of Counter-Terrorism found that despite claiming to protect Muslims, most of the returned fighters were “novices” in their religion and some did not know how to pray properly.

“Most saw their religion in terms of justice and injustice rather than in terms of piety and spirituality,” said the authors of the report, which was based on interviews with 43 people from 12 countries.

They found that a typical fighter “is most likely to be male, young and disadvantaged economically, educationally, and in terms of the labour market”.

“He is also more likely than not to come from a marginalised background, both socially and politically,” the reported added.

“Most were unemployed, or underemployed, and/or said that their life lacked meaning.”

Three quarters of those interviewed reached Syria but subsequently decided to leave, while others were intercepted by authorities in their own country or stopped en route.

Thousands of British Muslims gather to denounce Isis and call for 'peaceful caliphate'

Despite an appeal to all UN member states, the authors expressed regret that only seven countries agreed to participate in the study - three from the EU and four from the Middle East and North Africa.

Professor Hamed el-Said, of Manchester Metropolitan University, and terrorism expert Richard Barrett met most of the returnees in prison or under the watchful eye of security services.

The majority of interviewed fighters, who attempted to join groups including Isis, al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra and jihadi Ahrar al-Sham, came from large and dysfunctional families in deprived parts of cities where they were “isolated from mainstream social, economic and political activity”.

“Religious belief seems to have played a minimal role in the motivation of this sample,” the report found, saying economic factors had become more important as terrorist groups promised wages, homes and even wives.

The findings supported previous research using leaked Isis documents, which showed that most recruits profess to have only a “basic” knowledge of Sharia law, and warnings of a growing “crime-terror nexus” seeing violent criminals travel to Syria in the hope of “redemption”.

Following the declaration of the so-called Islamic State in 2014, the group produced a huge amount of propaganda seeking to attract Muslims with the promise of life free of supposed Western oppression, lived in comfort and peace.

Rose-tinted videos sought to present a utopian existence, showing smiling militants engaging in activities like bee-keeping, farming and even pizza-making as Western fighters used Twitter to broadcast images of palatial homes, swimming pools and expensive cars provided by the “caliphate”.

Isis: UN study finds foreign fighters in Syria 'lack basic understanding of Islam'
 

White_Unifier

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Of course. I've met Muslims who've probably never cracked a Qur'an open in their lives. I've never professed Islam, yet I've read the Qur'an cover to cover countless times, sometimes even taking notes with pen in hand and paper by my side, though that was years ago. But still, even today, I remember many interesting parts that I can look up when I need to.
 

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ISIS FULLY understands Islam. ISIS IS Islam

It is far more representative of the Islam that sprang out of the desert in a conquering rampage in the 7th Century.. bringing subjugation to Sharia Law and the rule of the Caliphate.. than the so called moderate, tolerant, inclusive Islam Western leaders are so fond of exemplifying.

That Islam is considered by purists, those familiar with the Koran, as a corrupted, Westernized, Christianized version of the true faith of the Prophet.. a religion usurped and corroded by Infidels.
 

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“Most saw their religion in terms of justice and injustice rather than in terms of piety and spirituality,” said the authors of the report, which was based on interviews with 43 people from 12 countries.

They found that a typical fighter “is most likely to be male, young and disadvantaged economically, educationally, and in terms of the labour market”.

“He is also more likely than not to come from a marginalised background, both socially and politically,” the reported added.

Oh boy, here we go. 43 people. Yeah out of 35,000 - 40,000 fighters. Good Sample.

This nonsense has been debunked several times, and really falls apart when you consider
all the Western born and raised jihadis. They don't have a marginalized background.
Oh right, Whitey racist, Whitey bad. As always.



Despite an appeal to all UN member states, the authors expressed regret that only seven countries agreed to participate in the study - three from the EU and four from the Middle East and North Africa.

Professor Hamed el-Said, of Manchester Metropolitan University, and terrorism expert Richard Barrett met most of the returnees in prison or under the watchful eye of security services.

The majority of interviewed fighters, who attempted to join groups including Isis, al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra and jihadi Ahrar al-Sham, came from large and dysfunctional families in deprived parts of cities where they were “isolated from mainstream social, economic and political activity”.
Just more BS.

Thousands of British Muslims gather to denounce Isis and call for 'peaceful caliphate'

Your video. 'Peaceful Caliphate'
Exactly who do you think is stupid enough to fall for your bullshit, except yourself of course.
 

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Coldstream, have you ever read the Qur'an cover to cover?


I've read the Bible, Revised Standard Catholic Version, cover to cover, but its been years. Still refer to it occasionally. In abstract it can be applied to all human endeavour and conditions.

I haven't read the Koran, or the Bhagavad Gita or The Book of Mormon or Mahayana Sutras or Tibetan Book of the Dead or any number of other definitive religious texts. I've got better things to do with my time.

But you don't need to study things in depth to realize they are a pile of crap.
 

White_Unifier

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I've read the Bible, Revised Standard Catholic Version, cover to cover, but its been years. Still refer to it occasionally. In abstract it can be applied to all human endeavour and conditions.

I haven't read the Koran, or the Bhagavad Gita or The Book of Mormon or Mahayana Sutras or Tibetan Book of the Dead or any number of other definitive religious texts. I've got better things to do with my time.

But you don't need to study things in depth to realize they are a pile of crap.

So how do you know what Islam teaches if you never read the Qur'an? We should not confuse the Qur'an and a 'Muslim scholar.'
 

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So how do you know what Islam teaches if you never read the Qur'an? We should not confuse the Qur'an and a 'Muslim scholar.'
Catholic, protestant and Islamist fundamentalists are all the same - intolerant of each other based on ignorance. ISIS was created by the US, financed, trained and supported by the US and Israel. ISIS is not Muslim that is why they know nothing about.
And for those predisposed to respond with the usual stupidity, shove your tin foil hat up your butts. You choose to ignore the facts and you remain an ignorant turd.
 

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Can't imagine the UN needed a study to determine what everyone knows. The kids that go to the middle east to "fight " for their religion are no more than cannon fodder to the leadership.
Omly flossy could think this is news and get it wrong.
 

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No different from the ones who decide "Love one another as I have loved you" REALLY means "Go halfway around the world and kill somebody never did you no harm."
 

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They're mainly Trumptards. :lol:


Isis: UN study finds foreign fighters in Syria 'lack basic understanding of Islam'

Young men who leave their homes to fight for terrorist groups in Syria mainly come from disadvantaged backgrounds, have low levels of education and “lack any basic understanding of the true meaning of jihad or even the Islamic faith”, according to a new report.

A study for the United Nations Office of Counter-Terrorism found that despite claiming to protect Muslims, most of the returned fighters were “novices” in their religion and some did not know how to pray properly.

“Most saw their religion in terms of justice and injustice rather than in terms of piety and spirituality,” said the authors of the report, which was based on interviews with 43 people from 12 countries.

They found that a typical fighter “is most likely to be male, young and disadvantaged economically, educationally, and in terms of the labour market”.

“He is also more likely than not to come from a marginalised background, both socially and politically,” the reported added.

“Most were unemployed, or underemployed, and/or said that their life lacked meaning.”

Three quarters of those interviewed reached Syria but subsequently decided to leave, while others were intercepted by authorities in their own country or stopped en route.

Thousands of British Muslims gather to denounce Isis and call for 'peaceful caliphate'

Despite an appeal to all UN member states, the authors expressed regret that only seven countries agreed to participate in the study - three from the EU and four from the Middle East and North Africa.

Professor Hamed el-Said, of Manchester Metropolitan University, and terrorism expert Richard Barrett met most of the returnees in prison or under the watchful eye of security services.

The majority of interviewed fighters, who attempted to join groups including Isis, al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra and jihadi Ahrar al-Sham, came from large and dysfunctional families in deprived parts of cities where they were “isolated from mainstream social, economic and political activity”.

“Religious belief seems to have played a minimal role in the motivation of this sample,” the report found, saying economic factors had become more important as terrorist groups promised wages, homes and even wives.

The findings supported previous research using leaked Isis documents, which showed that most recruits profess to have only a “basic” knowledge of Sharia law, and warnings of a growing “crime-terror nexus” seeing violent criminals travel to Syria in the hope of “redemption”.

Following the declaration of the so-called Islamic State in 2014, the group produced a huge amount of propaganda seeking to attract Muslims with the promise of life free of supposed Western oppression, lived in comfort and peace.

Rose-tinted videos sought to present a utopian existence, showing smiling militants engaging in activities like bee-keeping, farming and even pizza-making as Western fighters used Twitter to broadcast images of palatial homes, swimming pools and expensive cars provided by the “caliphate”.

Isis: UN study finds foreign fighters in Syria 'lack basic understanding of Islam'

The problem is that is wasn't about the religion it was scaryy because of the fact that people just went there to purge.
 

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Now who in the hell would want to keep people in conditions that going out and killing many strangers seems like the smart move to make??
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No big surprise there. Ideologs tend to believe what they are told to believe. You know, as in there is no global warming. Homosexuals are an abomination. Gay marriage will destroy society. Immigrants increase the crime rate etc.
 

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So how do you know what Islam teaches if you never read the Qur'an? We should not confuse the Qur'an and a 'Muslim scholar.'


I know false prophets by their fruits. That's in the Bible

Beware of false prophets; they come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. (Matt. 7:15, also in 2 Peter 2:1-3).

The Bible, in its totality, is the only text that defines an underlying and integral structure of moral absolutes to the universe. These are nonexistent, hopelessly obfuscated or represented in the praxis of the faith without recourse to reason or natural law (as in the Koran).

No big surprise there. Ideologs tend to believe what they are told to believe. You know, as in there is no global warming. Homosexuals are an abomination. Gay marriage will destroy society. Immigrants increase the crime rate etc.


Well there is NO AGW, its a fraud; homosexuality (not homosexuals) is an abomination that condemns its practitioners to lives of misery, futility and disgrace. 'Gay' marriage is simply an absurdity, a counterfeit and parody of real sacramental marriage. A nation that embeds lies, in fact intrinsic evil, in its laws is sowing the wind and will reap the whirlwind.

And Canada is a country of immigrants.. my father was a first generation immigrant, my mother's family has been here since at least the Irish Potato Famine. I've got no problem with constructive immigration. I do have a problem with multiculturalism that now deems all of Canada's culture as born in racism, sexism, rapacious conquest and bigotry.. and promotes division, tribalism and conflict in its new citizenry with no sense of historical precedence or an overarching national culture.
 
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MHz

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I know false prophets by their fruits. That's in the Bible

Beware of false prophets; they come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. (Matt. 7:15, also in 2 Peter 2:1-3).

The Bible, in its totality, is the only text that defines an underlying structure of moral absolutes to the universe. These are nonexistent, hopelessly obfuscated or represented in the praxis of the faith without recourse to reason (as in the Koran).
False Prophets in the Bible are the ones that use the text in the Bible and twist it to mean something other than what it really means. Muslims are not part of that, the RCC with eternal damnation unless you donate to the RCC coffers.