New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

[jjw1965]

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

Just on a local New Orleans TV station, Mayor Ray Nagin was asked about the School Busses left behind and he replied, "With a catagory 5 storm all the drivers left town!" (Must be a rule about not driving the bus home?)

Mary Landrieu, Senator from Louisiana, said earlier, "The busses were under water, they couldn't be used." (This was true after Monday afternoon, after the drivers had left!)

FYI-In the Orleans Parish Emergency Plan, the School Busses may be commandered by the Emergency Preparedness group if needed!

More to come!


More to come!

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

Just on a local New Orleans TV station, Mayor Ray Nagin was asked about the School Busses left behind and he replied, "With a catagory 5 storm all the drivers left town!" (Must be a rule about not driving the bus home?)

Mary Landrieu, Senator from Louisiana, said earlier, "The busses were under water, they couldn't be used." (This was true after Monday afternoon, after the drivers had left!)

FYI-In the Orleans Parish Emergency Plan, the School Busses may be commandered by the Emergency Preparedness group if needed!

More to come!


More to come!

She actually said the buses were under water? Holy smokes, does she really think folks will not realize that prior to the hurricane hitting, and after President Bush had ordered an evacuation of New Orleans, the buses were NOT under water. That is a good one.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

She actually said the buses were under water? Holy smokes, does she really think folks will not realize that prior to the hurricane hitting, and after President Bush had ordered an evacuation of New Orleans, the buses were NOT under water. That is a good one.

When did Bush order the evacuation?

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

She actually said the buses were under water? Holy smokes, does she really think folks will not realize that prior to the hurricane hitting, and after President Bush had ordered an evacuation of New Orleans, the buses were NOT under water. That is a good one.

When did Bush order the evacuation?

It was before the hurricane hit. There was a window of at least 48 hrs to get those damn buses running and evacuate the folks in New Orleans. The president had ordered the evacuations, but no one did anything? How could she say the buses were under water??? They surely were not when the president had ordered the evacuation.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

When did Bush order the evacuation?

It was before the hurricane hit. There was a window of at least 48 hrs to get those damn buses running and evacuate the folks in New Orleans. The president had ordered the evacuations, but no one did anything? How could she say the buses were under water??? They surely were not when the president had ordered the evacuation.

Link please...

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

She actually said the buses were under water? Holy smokes, does she really think folks will not realize that prior to the hurricane hitting, and after President Bush had ordered an evacuation of New Orleans, the buses were NOT under water. That is a good one.

When did Bush order the evacuation?

It was before the hurricane hit. There was a window of at least 48 hrs to get those damn buses running and evacuate the folks in New Orleans. The president had ordered the evacuations, but no one did anything? How could she say the buses were under water??? They surely were not when the president had ordered the evacuation.

ya know , james (with some respect)....... think I will go with Martin and his reporting as he lives in the region. He is posting regular updates from "the scenes".... and is in a position to know what it is like....."on the ground" , "in the water" and in the "airheads" that are nothing more than silly talking heads now.

(and what he does NOT know, he does NOT make up.

keep the bulletins coming Martin. and keep up the excellent humanitarian aid. Canada will be there in more force tomorrow...... and is happy to help in any way it can....without taking center stage from the stage hounds. )

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

When did Bush order the evacuation?

It was before the hurricane hit. There was a window of at least 48 hrs to get those damn buses running and evacuate the folks in New Orleans. The president had ordered the evacuations, but no one did anything? How could she say the buses were under water??? They surely were not when the president had ordered the evacuation.

Link please...

paragraph 3 ...

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7000018155

 

[yballa09]

if u simply paid any attention to the news or papers before the days up to the war (it was everywhere), you'd realize that everyone had be told to evacuate the city. of course, never an easy thing to do in a big city like newo orleans, but it was said numerous times.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

When did Bush order the evacuation?

It was before the hurricane hit. There was a window of at least 48 hrs to get those damn buses running and evacuate the folks in New Orleans. The president had ordered the evacuations, but no one did anything? How could she say the buses were under water??? They surely were not when the president had ordered the evacuation.

Link please...

paragraph 3 ...

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7000018155

I've checked www.whitehouse.gov and not found any executive order to evacuate the City of New Orleans, nor did I find any reference to that evacuation order in any press briefing leading up to the hurricane. I wonder where this Douglas Maher is getting his information...

 

[jjw1965]

if u simply paid any attention to the news or papers before the days up to the war (it was everywhere), you'd realize that everyone had be told to evacuate the city. of course, never an easy thing to do in a big city like newo orleans, but it was said numerous times.

As you can see, New Orleans was not part of the orginal emergency declaration.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

if u simply paid any attention to the news or papers before the days up to the war (it was everywhere), you'd realize that everyone had be told to evacuate the city. of course, never an easy thing to do in a big city like newo orleans, but it was said numerous times.

As you can see, New Orleans was not part of the orginal emergency declaration.

hey jj .......thanks for the map. Had not seen it before. V-E-R-Y "interesting" ........

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to Blame, not the President ...

When did Bush order the evacuation?{/quote]

Timeline:

Monday: Katrina emerges into the Gulf of Mexico and heads sw towards the Key West.

Tuesday to Thursday: Katrina wanders west, the Landfal is first projected in FL, Then AL-MS area, the ridge of high pressure blocks its northern path.

Thursday 10am: Katrina turns NW with the projected path moved westward from the Mouth of the Mississippi River to Appalachiecola, FL.

Friday Morn: Hurricane Watches are issued from Morgan City, LA to the Florida Panhandle past Pensacola. At this point, I think EM (Emergency Management) People sjould have called for a Madatory Evac but I think they did not want to be premature in case the storm went East. In 2004 for IVAN, the City was evacuated and nothing happened! People were upset about the inconvience. so as to prevent this, hesitation was the order of the day.

Friday Noon: My wife and I decided to pull up and get out before the rush started! We could see the track was not good for us and we wanted to beat the traffic. (NOTE: in Ivan it took us 8 hrs to travel 120 miles in the traffic!) Loaded up all our valuables, kids, emptied the ice boxes and freezer into ice chests, clothes etc and went to Rayne LA to see if we needed to get father WEST (In 3 vehicles and a travel Trailer!). 2 1/2 hrs travel time!


Heard that evacuation decision was to be made that afternoon for New Orleans. at 3pm-EM ordered Mandatory Evac from Orleans, Jefferson ordered also. EVACUATION ORDERS ARE ISSUED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, NOT FEDERAL, THE LOCAL EM IS IN CHARGE OF EVACUATION!

FRIDAY PM: Contraflow began in New Orleans, this is a plan where a lanes of the interstate and 4 lane roads are headed in one dirction to accomadate the large amount of traffic! In New Orleans Metropolitan area (POP 1.2 million South of Lake Ponchartrain), there are only 5 major exits out of the area:

1. I-10 East to I-59
2. I-10 West to I-55
3. Highway us 90
4. The Causeway across Lake Ponchartrain
5. Airline Highway (US 61)

My fear was to get caught up in the US 90 West bound traffic and that what mad us leave early!

Saturday: Katrina meneces the coast but New Orleans continues to evacuate outbound! Contraflow is still in effect! As the winds pick u, the decision is to close the roads at 45 mph to vehicular traffic and direct people to shelters of last resort.

Satruday 6pm: High Winds reported at Grand Isle, LA.

Sunday Morning: Katrina makes landfall between Happy Jack and Grand Isle, LA with hurricane force winds extending out 100 miles from the center. MY HOUSE TESTIFIES TO THIS!!!! Roof shingles and trees up rooted in my yard!

Sunday afternoon: Hurricane passes east of New Orleans and starts pushing Lake Ponchartrain into New Orleans. Slight flooding at this point until levee at 17th street Canal and London Street Canal give way later in the night severing New Orleans form the world!

Monday: Blame game starts even before aid could be rushed in. Local EMs caught off guard by the flooding and Govt Beaurcracy gets in the way for more delays.

FEMA seems more geared to a Military Operation than a civilian Relief function and the inflexable manners of the FEMA Culture seems to mirror the military.

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

if u simply paid any attention to the news or papers before the days up to the war (it was everywhere), you'd realize that everyone had be told to evacuate the city. of course, never an easy thing to do in a big city like newo orleans, but it was said numerous times.

As you can see, New Orleans was not part of the orginal emergency declaration.

hey jj .......thanks for the map. Had not seen it before. V-E-R-Y "interesting" ........

The Red Parishes are the extension of the Emergency Declaraction by Blanco as requested by BUSH, standard procedure to exempt the whole state and open up Federal storehouses, allow federal resources to be used by local authorities and special tax incentives, filing deadlines for legal forms and stuff.

Bush just declared the emergency where Blanco did not! Bush put the whole state under a State of Emergency as I stated above.

Now FEMA dropped the ball with their Military Style culture which stymied help since the ridgid style did not allow for flexable decisions such as:

1. Quick shipment of relief supplies.

2. Use of Ham Radio, the Dept of Homeland security wants secure radio systems and telephones to control info leakage. More Delays.

3. Lack of information sharing.

4. Did not preposition supplies!

With Brown gone, a slight improvement has been noticed but FEMA lacks the flexability to adapt to the situations on the ground is the best way to describe the situation.

Can we blame Bush? Brown was his appointee but the locals should have been mor vigiliant and ready to move and not worry about the political fallout if they made the wrong call.

 

[Twila]

RE: New Orleans Mayor to

Read an intersting article in the Herald Tribune while riding the train from Paris to Amsterdam.

They talked at great length about all the evidence and studies that have been done that stated that it was inevitable with todays climate changes and the number of hurricanes that bombard that area of the country for New Orleans to be hit.

The studies indicated that a hurricane of less magnitude would have done catestrophic damage. It questioned the gov't cut backs for further studies and for preparations.

So irregardless of who's to blame for the slow reaction time and whether or not the poor could afford to leave the gov't has known that this was inevitable.

 

[Martin Le Acadien]

Re: RE: New Orleans Mayor to

Read an intersting article in the Herald Tribune while riding the train from Paris to Amsterdam.

They talked at great length about all the evidence and studies that have been done that stated that it was inevitable with todays climate changes and the number of hurricanes that bombard that area of the country for New Orleans to be hit.

The studies indicated that a hurricane of less magnitude would have done catestrophic damage. It questioned the gov't cut backs for further studies and for preparations.

So irregardless of who's to blame for the slow reaction time and whether or not the poor could afford to leave the gov't has known that this was inevitable.

BINGO, Twila, the locals plan for this stuff but Federal & State gov't have been riding on luck.

 

[Twila]

RE: New Orleans Mayor to

Somewhere on this forum I read about the cops "supposedly" looting.

Here's the evidence in video format. Kind of removes the "supposedly"

Cops a lootin

 

[Nascar_James]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

JJ, your link above reaffrims the August 26th date in which the President ordered the evacuation. Was able to read the areas afected, but was not able to locate the map? Where did it come from?

 

[TenPenny]

. . . New Orleans Mayor Nagin is to blame in this situation . . .

Nagin is in deep waters.

This is being watched in Louisiana, Nagin is at the end of line, the money for the evacuations should have been provided to load people upon the School Buses! More to follow!

He certainly has to share his part of the blame, but man oh man, FEMA messed up...when a REPORTER has to suggest to FEMA that they should bring in pallet loads of water and food to the people at the superdome, and he agrees that's a good idea....

Nagin, Bush, Brown, and the governor of LA should all be charged with criminal negiligence. A disgrace to humanity, all of them.

Hey, Martin - why don't we get some of your brethren to come back home? Le Grand Derangement in reverse, what?

 

[TenPenny]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html

JJ, your link above reaffrims the August 26th date in which the President ordered the evacuation. Was able to read the areas afected, but was not able to locate the map? Where did it come from?

I would hope everyone remembers Bush declaring the state of emergency ahead of time, it allowed the evacuation such as it was to proceed, and I remember watching the footage as they made all the interstates one way out of Nawlins.

No matter how badly Bush failed his people (and in reality it was more his underlings who were 110% incompetent), at least he did declare the state of emergency ahead of time. Just because he's an idiot doesn't mean he does EVERYTHING wrong.