8O Don't say that aloud near most Ontarians - they'll lynch ya. Actually in most cases the government of the day has little effect on the direction of the economy as a whole - be it Ontario under Rae, Canada under Chretien/Martin, or Sask/Man under your precious NDP governments.
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8O Don't say that aloud near most Ontarians - they'll lynch ya. Actually in most cases the government of the day has little effect on the direction of the economy as a whole - be it Ontario under Rae, Canada under Chretien/Martin, or Sask/Man under your precious NDP governments.
That's all very true, Finder. What you are seeing from Calberty and Jay is an almost complete lack of knowledge of Canadian politics. They've reduced it to a winner take all, zero sum game. When they lose (again) they will be yelling and screaming about the Liberals, and the monkeys that Jay supports in the House...Calberty will never have a representative in the House will be back to being disruptive and refusing to accomplish anything.
Meanwhile the NDP, who represent a substantial voting block and who have policies that consistently out-pace Conservative policies in blind polls, will quietly work to make things better.
That's why at election time, people like Calberty and Jay are afraid to discuss NDP policy, instead preferring to drag things off-topic.
Meanwhile the NDP, who represent a substantial voting block and who have policies that consistently out-pace Conservative policies in blind polls, will quietly work to make things better.
That's why at election time, people like Calberty and Jay are afraid to discuss NDP policy, instead preferring to drag things off-topic.
I've just realized we can start using 'Bob Rae as a word. such as
"Be careful if you vote for Layton and his lads or you might end up getting Bob Raed."
"Hey, don't go spending too much on your VISA or come January you'll open your statement and find yourself Bob Raed"
5 +5=12. 'Oops, where's the eraser. I pulled a Bob Rae'
"Be careful if you vote for Layton and his lads or you might end up getting Bob Raed."
"Hey, don't go spending too much on your VISA or come January you'll open your statement and find yourself Bob Raed"
5 +5=12. 'Oops, where's the eraser. I pulled a Bob Rae'
That's true for the first term, when the groundwork is just being laid, MMMikey. It is sometimes true for the second term. It's not true for terms after that though. If you look at what the NDP have accomplished in Saskatchewan, it's almost a miracle. The province was broke and they brought it back. They've done much the same here in Manitoba.
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Now I'm not a fan of Bob Rae as I come from Ontario. I do not think he did the best job. But then again he did Govern Ontario durning a world wide resssion! If the Conservatives or Liberals had I bet Ontario would have gone down the drain. Besides as Ontario got back on its feat and Mike Harris took power (just as hated as Rae) we had cuts to every social program you could imagin. What did that do!!! give us more in debt after they left office. What do we get with the liberals now in Power in Ontario. Promise that they would not raise taxes or cut social programs. What did they do? Cut health care and add a tax to health care. LESS FOR MORE!!!! what the F@#K! so don't talk to me about how bad Bob Rae was. At least we got something from his spending unlike the loons who came after him.
Calberty said:
Now I'm not a fan of Bob Rae as I come from Ontario. I do not think he did the best job. But then again he did Govern Ontario durning a world wide resssion! If the Conservatives or Liberals had I bet Ontario would have gone down the drain. Besides as Ontario got back on its feat and Mike Harris took power (just as hated as Rae) we had cuts to every social program you could imagin. What did that do!!! give us more in debt after they left office. What do we get with the liberals now in Power in Ontario. Promise that they would not raise taxes or cut social programs. What did they do? Cut health care and add a tax to health care. LESS FOR MORE!!!! what the F@#K! so don't talk to me about how bad Bob Rae was. At least we got something from his spending unlike the loons who came after him.
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A world wide resssion still has a negitive effect on a provincial econmy no matter what the Ontario PC's tell me. =-D
MMMike said:
A world wide resssion still has a negitive effect on a provincial econmy no matter what the Ontario PC's tell me. =-D
Broader economic currents do have an effect, but what a government does within those currents and what a government does to change those currents is also important.
Take Paul Martin for example. He has done a decent job getting Canada back on its feet. What he has not done is put us in a position to take advantage of the coming eco-based economic currents that are coming. He has also not used the returns of Canada getting back on its feet to benefit Canadians.
Harper is still denying that there are any such currents coming. He's still looking back at where the river was twenty years ago. He would take the money from Paul Martin did right and give it to somebody who was never involved in the first place.
Layton sees the coming economy and he sees that we can not only benefit from it, but that we can be leaders in it. We have a rare mix of resources and technological know how.
Layton would bleed the economy dry with his massive social spending and high tax policies. Big government will chase away investment everytime. The NDP is only interested in wealth redistribution, and their policies are against wealth creation. The NDP has some nice policies on the environment, but we can't afford to actually let them govern.
wow... why don't you actually read the NDP's Policy. www.ndp.ca extead of Conservative propaganda. I may not agree with everything the conservatives say or do but I at least know there real plateform. You can do the same.
Since this is a thread on NDP policy, perhaps you could provide a link to these policies. Such NDP policies exist only in the minds of Conservatives and the rhetoric of Liberals.
It's truly incredible, isn't it. They don't know what the policies; refuse to understand that the NDP not only costs it's policies, but says where the money will come from; and stays away from ten year plans because they are the only party honest enough to admit that nobody knows what the situation will be.
Reverend, as you seem to be the best (or at least most vocal) defender of NDP policy could you answer the following for me.
I witnessed the corruption, payoffs, kickbacks, money-draining megaprojects, and the tanking of BC under the NDP. How exactly are the federal NDP different? Both the BC NDP and the fed NDP seem to have a preference for expensive megaprojects, like the unions a bit too much (although that is changing in BC, at least at face value).
I agree with many NDP policies, but i seriously question their ability to govern. Pure socialism does not work, and they seem too close to pure socialist ideals.
Don't get me wrong though, even though i don't trust their financial management abilities, i do not think that they would do the most damage of the lot if given power.
I witnessed the corruption, payoffs, kickbacks, money-draining megaprojects, and the tanking of BC under the NDP. How exactly are the federal NDP different? Both the BC NDP and the fed NDP seem to have a preference for expensive megaprojects, like the unions a bit too much (although that is changing in BC, at least at face value).
I agree with many NDP policies, but i seriously question their ability to govern. Pure socialism does not work, and they seem too close to pure socialist ideals.
Don't get me wrong though, even though i don't trust their financial management abilities, i do not think that they would do the most damage of the lot if given power.
First of all, you take into consideration the political history of your province. I'm 41 years old and I don't remember the last time you had a government leave office without a major scandal. If you are going to apply that particular standard to the NDP, you also have to apply it to your Conservatives/SoCreds/Liberals.
Second of all, mega-projects and crown corporations can work. They create employment and provide a service or product to the citizens at a reasonable price. They also provide exports and once the capital cost has been paid off, the money from those exports keeps your prices down and provides a source of income for your government. It also allows you to have at least nominal control over your resources at the ballot box.
Third and finally, looking at a single provincial government and judging a federal party on it is unfair. Notice how you said BC? Others here harp endlessly about Bob Rae in Ontario. Manitoba and Saskatchewan have had much more experience with NDP governments...good and bad...and have much more limited economies, smaller populations, and are more affected by outside influences. That makes them even harder to manage than larger economies because there are far fewer options and per capita costs are higher.
If you take the performance of all of the provincial governments since the CCF/NDP came into existence and put the NDP up against the others, the NDP come out on top. They have a better fiscal record and fewer scandals per year in office.
If you look at the NDP record in Ottawa, they have been involved in no corruption. Members of the Liberals and Conservatives have found their way into corruption and scandals even when they were not in office.