NDP Policies - Platforms - Against the Clarity Act

[BruSan]

No doubt. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Show me a poll where anything close half of Kweebeckers want sovereignty and I might buy your arguments. A quick google of "support for Kweebeck sovereignty" and one can find a story from six months ago that suggests less than a quarter of Kweebeckers want sovereignty. The PQ is not foolish enough to try and go down that road again, unless they think they have a serious chance of winning. You haven't even tried to show that this is so therefore, the reality is that there is no reason in your posts.

I respectfully disagree. The sovereignity issue can come out of left field. "Kweebecker's" have shown a propensity in the past to react to any real or perceived slight with a demand for "sovereignity". What is not on the horizon as regards "kweebeck" can come over the very next hill at warpspeed if they feel even one iota of disrespect shown by the Rest Of Canada, ie: western provinces.

This feeling of disrespect can very easily be manufactured by any "Blockhead" seeking to gain momentum. The "Kweebeck" situation and pride can be substantially impacted by the very discussions that will be generated by western politicians keeping it on the boil as well. Watch the NDP to see this issue being used often to whip up support.

I predict the words " Quebec Sovereignity" are going to be heard on a more frequent basis over the next couple of years.

I would not at all be surprised to see another referendum in a two year timespan.

 

[mentalfloss]

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It was also hard to see the NDP becoming the official opposition.

 

[Cannuck]

I would not at all be surprised to see another referendum in a two year timespan.

I would be astonished.

 

[Goober]

No doubt. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Show me a poll where anything close half of Kweebeckers want sovereignty and I might buy your arguments. A quick google of "support for Kweebeck sovereignty" and one can find a story from six months ago that suggests less than a quarter of Kweebeckers want sovereignty. The PQ is not foolish enough to try and go down that road again, unless they think they have a serious chance of winning. You haven't even tried to show that this is so therefore, the reality is that there is no reason in your posts.

They will hold a referendum to satisfy the hardliners. Do you not understand or follow the PQ?

It was also hard to see the NDP becoming the official opposition.

Bloc support dropped - Where would you go for a protest vote. The BQ did squat - The Liberals - Not well liked shall we say - Cons - Nope - NDP was the logical choice.

BQ suport was dropping for weeks before the election.

 

[mentalfloss]

They will hold a referendum to satisfy the hardliners. Do you not understand or follow the PQ?



Bloc support dropped - Where would you go for a protest vote. The BQ did squat - The Liberals - Not well liked shall we say - Cons - Nope - NDP was the logical choice.

BQ suport was dropping for weeks before the election.

What's your point? That sovereigntists believe the NDP will help Quebec separate?

 

[Goober]

What's your point? That sovereigntists believe the NDP will help Quebec separate?

My point was in the post - A protest vote. For the most part. What else would it be.

 

[mentalfloss]

My point was in the post - A protest vote. For the most part. What else would it be.

A protest against who? The CPC?

I think you should know by now that if you want to succeed in Quebec, all you need to do is say that you're not CPC. It's the polar opposite of Alberta.

 

[Goober]

A protest against who? The CPC?

I think you should know by now that if you want to succeed in Quebec, all you need to do is say that you're not CPC. It's the polar opposite of Alberta.

Then why did the NDP surge in Quebec?

 

[mentalfloss]

Then why did the NDP surge in Quebec?

Mulcair did a good job campaigning under Layton and they rightfully sacrificed the separatist cause in favour of a more reasoned approach. Yes, hating Harper comes with some benefits for federalism, lol.

The Bloc started to get some support over the last few months, but I'm sure Mulcair will try to quash that so that there is no chance of a separatist mindset.

 

[Cannuck]

They will hold a referendum to satisfy the hardliners. Do you not understand or follow the PQ?

Yes, my family on my father's side is from Kweebeck...Gaspe coast to be exact. There will not be a referendum in the next two years.

 

[Goober]

Mulcair did a good job campaigning under Layton and they rightfully sacrificed the separatist cause in favour of a more reasoned approach. Yes, hating Harper comes with some benefits for federalism, lol.

The Bloc started to get some support over the last few months, but I'm sure Mulcair will try to quash that so that there is no chance of a separatist mindset.

We shall see. Politics in Quebec can change quickly - Look at Mario Dumont and the ADQ

Yes, my family on my father's side is from Kweebeck...Gaspe coast to be exact. There will not be a referendum in the next two years.

Well if they do leave, they leave with what they brought to the party.
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[Cannuck]

Well if they do leave, they leave with what they brought to the party.

They won't be leaving either. At least not in my lifetime.

 

[Goober]

They won't be leaving either. At least not in my lifetime.

I am of the opinion unless things change for Charest then the next Govt will be PQ and they will have a referendum. Perhaps they will abide by the Clarity Act - Perhaps not.
If they do not that will cause the NDP problems.
I believe the next election in Quebec is next year??

 

[Cannuck]

I am of the opinion unless things change for Charest then the next Govt will be PQ and they will have a referendum.

I'm aware of that. Nothing, other than your opinion, points to that happening though.

 

[Goober]

I'm aware of that. Nothing, other than your opinion, points to that happening though.

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[Cannuck]

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LOL...I didn't really think there were too many people left in this world that still believe in politicians promises. So to correct my statement, other than your opinion and the electioneering of politicians, nothing points to that.

Look, it's really rather simple. The separatists do not want another loss. They can spout all they want but it's not going to happen until the poll numbers give them a better than 50/50 chance of winning. That is not going to happen any time soon. Like Chretien and his promise to kill the G Hest T, politicians can say whatever they want. Those of us that are politically astute can see through the bull****.

 

[Goober]

LOL...I didn't really think there were too many people left in this world that still believe in politicians promises. So to correct my statement, other than your opinion and the electioneering of politicians, nothing points to that.

Look, it's really rather simple. The separatists do not want another loss. They can spout all they want but it's not going to happen until the poll numbers give them a better than 50/50 chance of winning. That is not going to happen any time soon. Like Chretien and his promise to kill the G Hest T, politicians can say whatever they want. Those of us that are politically astute can see through the bull****.

I guess we will wait and see.

So the OP question is and your answer is?

 

[Cannuck]

So the OP question is and your answer is?

If you are referring to these questions...

What has the NDP wrought with the election of Thomas Mulcair as the party’s new leader?

But what of the rest of the country?

After the next election, The NDP will be where they were before this past election. The outcome was a blip....like the Conservative shellacking under Campbell. Things will return to normal with a slim Con majority or even a minority. The Libs will rebound and the Dippers will return to their usual position as third party. Things will continue on much like they have.

 

[Goober]

If you are referring to these questions...

After the next election, The NDP will be where they were before this past election. The outcome was a blip....like the Conservative shellacking under Campbell. Things will return to normal with a slim Con majority or even a minority. The Libs will rebound and the Dippers will return to their usual position as third party. Things will continue on much like they have.

A definite possibility but as I mentioned earlier voters in Quebec can change direction in a heartbeat.

Recent poll on separation in Quebec.

Sovereignty far from a dead issue in Quebec, poll finds - The Globe and Mail

Quebeckers still have an appetite for independence if they don't get constitutional reform, suggests a new survey that could surprise people who consider the sovereignty issue dormant.

Given a choice of three options, independence was the most popular choice among poll respondents when asked what they would want if the Constitution isn't revised.

The new survey found that 44.5 per cent of Quebeckers would still support separating from Canada if the Constitution could not be changed enough to satisfy the majority of the province.

Nearly 39 per cent said the province should stay in the federation even if no amendments are made to the Constitution; 16.8 per cent were undecided.

The survey, conducted online between March 5 and 12, also found that nearly 71 per cent of Quebeckers believed the Quebec government should take the first step to propose changes be made to the Constitution.

“That question of constitutional reform of Canadian federalism is still alive — this is still a preoccupation for many Quebeckers, and I would even say for most Quebeckers,” said Benoit Pelletier, a former Quebec Liberal cabinet minister who is now a constitutional scholar at the University of Ottawa.

 

[WLDB]

Hmm, then lets open the constitution. First thing on the agenda: Scrap the notwithstanding clause.