Re: RE: NDP Plans
If they stay the same. The New Dumbocrats still have a chance to screw it up :wink:
LadyC said:
If they stay the same. The New Dumbocrats still have a chance to screw it up :wink:
NDP Plans
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thanks lady c, that does make it seem fairly straight forward. interesting to hear dave barrett stating people should vote against the stv, and david suzuki is for it....i liked the fact that david suzuki stated how democracy is still evolving. i will try tofind the article and post.
thanks, no 1....interesting. i can't wait to see what happens next week. that's the great thing about bc politics, they are pretty volatile!
thanks, no 1....interesting. i can't wait to see what happens next week. that's the great thing about bc politics, they are pretty volatile!
The NDP are the ones that brought Saskatchewan back from the verge of bankruptcy after the mismanagement and criminality of the PCs, Blue.
When the NDP left office in the early 1980's, the province was in the black and the sales tax was 5%. When they came back to power, the province was deeply in debt and the sales tax was 7%.
So tell me again about how great your Conservatives are.
When the NDP left office in the early 1980's, the province was in the black and the sales tax was 5%. When they came back to power, the province was deeply in debt and the sales tax was 7%.
So tell me again about how great your Conservatives are.
Re: RE: NDP Plans
If the NDP were so good before the conservatives, why did they get voted out? Some have said the province was in such a mess before the Conservatives got in that it would have taken years of financial hardship to fix it. Something like Ralph had to go after Getty forgot he was a conservative and governed like he was a liberal or NDP.
Reverend Blair said:
If the NDP were so good before the conservatives, why did they get voted out? Some have said the province was in such a mess before the Conservatives got in that it would have taken years of financial hardship to fix it. Something like Ralph had to go after Getty forgot he was a conservative and governed like he was a liberal or NDP.
The facts don't bear that out, Blue. The fact is that Conservatives have a long history of doing nothing but spending and driving countries into debt. It is part of the neo-conservative philosophy and it showed up under Reagan and Mulroney with brutal clarity. It showed up under Devine in Saskatchewan and Filmon here in Manitoba.
The fact is the Roy Romanow took a province that was driven to the verge of bankruptcy by Grant Devine and his neo-conservative policies and, along with Lorne Calvert, made it into a have province.
The fact is the Roy Romanow took a province that was driven to the verge of bankruptcy by Grant Devine and his neo-conservative policies and, along with Lorne Calvert, made it into a have province.
Reverend Blair said:
Even if I accepted that premise, which I don't, last time I checked a series of conservative governments in Alberta have resulted in a debt free province with the lowest tax rates and no provincial sales tax. On the other hand, the provinces with NDP governments have the highest tax rates, both income and property.
Reverend Blair said:
Reagan/Mulroney/Thatcher brought about the greatest boom in history. They FUNDAMENTALLY changed the way people did business, they diminshed most unions to a status that was more realistic, it took 4-8 years after each of them were out of office to realise the impact of the dramatic and powerful shift in culture which was most dramatic in the UK and the least in part of Canada. It takes those sorts of temporary debts to straighten things out.
Gleb
They drove their countries deeply into debt. Their rule was like more a credit card binge than anything else, gftr.
Alberta has massive wealth in oil, Blue. Check out your heritage fund if you want an example of how badly the Conservatives have managed things. While you're at it, ask Ralphie why he signed one of the worst deals on earth with the oil companies. Your province could have even more money...enough to actually do some good for the people of Alberta instead of letting the health and education systems fall apart. Your brave leader decided not to do that.
Alberta has massive wealth in oil, Blue. Check out your heritage fund if you want an example of how badly the Conservatives have managed things. While you're at it, ask Ralphie why he signed one of the worst deals on earth with the oil companies. Your province could have even more money...enough to actually do some good for the people of Alberta instead of letting the health and education systems fall apart. Your brave leader decided not to do that.
Wonderful post Gleb. It exhibits a deep sense of the profundity needed to truly see fundamental changes in our society and roots us in the realities of history - that fundamental changes for the betterment of society are painful, sacrificial and ponderous.gftrcoach said:
But (and this is a general point not intended solely for Gleb)... What has any of this stuff to do with the BC Election and the NDP's past performance in BC?
We don't have a Conservative party running in BC.
Re: RE: NDP Plans
Cut the crap. If you are going to start making personal accusations like that you will find that your posts disappear
Reverend Blair said:
Cut the crap. If you are going to start making personal accusations like that you will find that your posts disappear
y'all better be pretty careful watcha say there boy....those are pretty big statements to say from a 'source'. maybe you should identify your source and do some big explaining about your 'site' you have listed on the bottom of your posts.
who knows what the 'sources' might say about that
now that this particular topic has been totally degraded, i would like to bring it back into line with what - i think - was the original purpose of this thread - the ndp in british columbia.
i myself will be voting, as will about 95% of vancouver island...yippee! i can't wait to get the bastards off the big rock.
how about you guys? which way do you wish the policies/politics to go?
i myself will be voting, as will about 95% of vancouver island...yippee! i can't wait to get the bastards off the big rock.
how about you guys? which way do you wish the policies/politics to go?
yeah, there is no 'conservative' party on the provincial scale, but i don't think you have to look too hard at the liberal party of bc to see a lot of right wing 'c's hanging out. the social credit was a pretty conservative bunch...and the liberals aren't that far behind.
The Liberal Party in BC was taken over by a mix of Socreds and federal Reform/Alliance/Conservatives, Jay. It was pretty well-documented during the last provincial election there.
We have a consevative candidate here in Kamloops Galianomama his name is Bob Altenhofen I hoped I spelled it right :lol: He's got signs up all over town and he's always writing in to the paper :wink:
yeah, well the latest from the 'campaign' trail is that of course, no one can get near the premier either for questions or answers....nothing new on that whole stage. issues currently seem to be the fact that now campbell is promising a new 'public-private partnership' hospital in surrey. where the hell did that come from? for the past few years we have had shortages everywhere, but now - bingo - you got it! amazing.
sorry mom, didn't see your post...got a little riled up there!
really? somehow that doesn't surprise me though, kamloops/kelowna area is big conservative country..... wow, curious to know how he will do on may 17. keep me posted.
really? somehow that doesn't surprise me though, kamloops/kelowna area is big conservative country..... wow, curious to know how he will do on may 17. keep me posted.