NDP MP Lise St-Denis jumps to Liberals

JLM

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whom they are going to be better than, has nothing to do with anything, a persons vote is a personal statement, and jumping
to another party is 'stealing' that vote'.

Switching parties is alright as long as it's done at the end of a term, so they get to be voted in otherwise if they want to pull the pin mid term they should be Independent. The likes of David Emerson just make my blood boil.
 

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Switching parties is alright as long as it's done at the end of a term, so they get to be voted in otherwise if they want to pull the pin mid term they should be Independent. The likes of David Emerson just make my blood boil.

yes, me too, there is definitely something tainted about it, and it should be changed.
yes, independent, or just resign and wait for next election, a voter's vote should
never be given to a party which he/she did not vote for.
 

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In a parliamentary democracy crossing the floor is part of the tradition of government.
The NDP is probably celebrating, from what I hear she was a pain since day one.
I do agree though the NDP has taken far too long to conduct a leadership race to
replace Layton. They had better get the act together and get it right the first time.
You have to get it right but it has to be in a timely manner as well.
 

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She's 70 years old and was recently diagnosed with cancer. I have a feeling she won't be running again in 2015.
 

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She's 70 years old and was recently diagnosed with cancer. I have a feeling she won't be running again in 2015.

Maybe, maybe not- 70 isn't necessarily old anymore and Non Hodgkins Lymphona isn't particularly or necessarily life threatening or debillitating. But yeah, she should be gone just for pulling that bullsh*t.
 

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I don't mind the desire to switch parties, but shouldn't there by a byelection in place so she can be democratically voted into office as a Liberal?
 

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I don't mind the desire to switch parties, but shouldn't there by a byelection in place so she can be democratically voted into office as a Liberal?

Then you'd have people complaining about the money for an unwanted election, even if only for one riding.

Perhaps there should be a recall mechanism of sorts for all MPs where changing parties is one possible reason among others for the constitutents to demand an election.
 

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Then you'd have people complaining about the money for an unwanted election, even if only for one riding.

Then it should be that the candidate who wants to switch, needs to fund not only the campaign, but any other election-related expenses that would typically be passed on to the taxpayer. It should be the price of changing your rank.
 

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I don't mind the desire to switch parties, but shouldn't there by a byelection in place so she can be democratically voted into office as a Liberal?

I agree, this is a betrayal to the voters who put you there. Floor crossing should not be allowed while government sits. If you want to defect to the other side it should be done at election time.
 

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I agree, this is a betrayal to the voters who put you there. Floor crossing should not be allowed while government sits. If you want to defect to the other side it should be done at election time.

Well, it's not necessarily a betrayal either.

If she's confident in her move and she believes her constituents would support it, then she should have no fear in running again as a Liberal (at her own expense).
 

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Well, it's not necessarily a betrayal either.

If she's confident in her move and she believes her constituents would support it, then she should have no fear in running again as a Liberal (at her own expense).


Something these self centered egotistical nitwits seem to forget that the reason they have the job is because voters put them there and the platform they ran on. You can't have it both ways. Just because one member might have greater personal appeal than another should not mean they get a pass.

Floor crossing is a betrayal of the voting public.
 

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Something these self centered egotistical nitwits seem to forget that the reason they have the job is because voters put them there and the platform they ran on. You can't have it both ways.

If you want to take it that way virtually every government in our history has betrayed its people by not following through with what they ran on. We'd be in constant election cycle all over the place if we made politicians resign and re-run every time they go against what they were elected on.
 

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NDP MP Lise St-Denis jumps to Liberals - Politics - CBC News

As far as I'm concenred, it is entirely her right to change parties as she sees fit. Those of her constituents who understand how our parliamentary system works and voted for her as their candidate won't mind one bit as long as she keeps her promises to her constituens; only those who don't know how the parliamentary system works and who'd voted for her blindly owing to her party affiliation will regret it. And for them, lesson learnt.

That's wy you always vote candidate and not party.
Yup. A representative should be about principles, not party affiliation.
Personally, I'd be quite happy if parties were non-existent.
 

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If you want to take it that way virtually every government in our history has betrayed its people by not following through with what they ran on. We'd be in constant election cycle all over the place if we made politicians resign and re-run every time they go against what they were elected on.

I'm not putting it anyway. If a politician wants to cross the floor they should:


  • Do so before an election
  • Wait until the next election
  • Resign and give up the seat
  • Sit as an independent
Its utter garbage how politicians and their supporters from all political stripes. try to justify floor crossing.

It doesn't matter if your a Con, a Lib, an NDPer, a Bloc, a Green or whatever..

You are betraying the voters who put you there.



Period.
 

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I'm not putting it anyway. If a politician wants to cross the floor they should:


  • Do so before an election
  • Wait until the next election
  • Resign and give up the seat
  • Sit as an independent
Its utter garbage how politicians and their supporters from all political stripes. try to justify floor crossing.

It doesn't matter if your a Con, a Lib, an NDPer, a Bloc, a Green or whatever..

You are betraying the voters who put you there.



Period.

Sure, it is. But my point was that this is just one way politicians can and do betray their voters.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Sure, it is. But my point was that this is just one way politicians can and do betray their voters.

We tend to forget that when the crosser is coming over to our side. The NDP's push to get rid of floor crossing was one issue I wholeheartedly supported and I'm a heartless conservative.
 

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I don't think any elected person should be allowed to switch parties till they
finish theyterm which they were elected.

The vote was for the NDP, not the liberals, so now all of those people who voted
for her, have been cheated, and their candidate is now a liberal, how dirty is that,
they have no control over their vote, which is suppose to be a persons personal power,
in a democracy, what a joke.

A candidate could, if they chose, become elected for one party, then jump to another
party, on purpose, with that plan in mind to begin with.

Technicaly the vote was for the candidate, not her party.

In a parliamentary democracy crossing the floor is part of the tradition of government.

so I hear, doesn't make it right, but I suppose many areas of government aren't right.

Well, if we're going to vote party only, then let's save money and have one MP from each party (It would also mean a much smaller House of Commons, so might save space on heating in winter).

Each MP's vote would be worth equal to the percentage of voters who'd vote his party. Because if all MPs are just there to lend a yeah or a nay in the House anyway, that's alot of salary and wasted space that one big yeah or nay could do far more efficiently.

We tend to forget that when the crosser is coming over to our side. The NDP's push to get rid of floor crossing was one issue I wholeheartedly supported and I'm a heartless conservative.

Good point.

And by the way, if it were a conservative switching Liberal or NDP or Green, I'd be saying the same thing. We voted for that candidate to represent his constituents, not any particular party.