NDP Have BIG plans in BC again!!!

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insignificant

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Apr 13, 2005
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as I said twice now [at least] WE HAVE THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA HEALTH CARE SPENDING IN THE COUNTRY!!! IF YOU LEFTIES ARE SO SMART, WHY DON'T YOU SUGGEST A SOLUTION TO OUR (SO CALLED) HORRIBLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.......

The lefties can sling names at the Liberals - but you don't have a solution to the problems - I particulary wanted pea's opinion because he is a self-proclaimed expert on the subject!
 

peapod

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My concern is about the what they have done to the enviromental issues in this province. That is why so many enviormental groups are joining together.


Sierra Club on your doorstep


The Sierra Club of Canada doesn't usually knock on doors.

But in the weeks leading up to the May 17 provincial election, you can expect someone from the environmental group's Vote Environment campaign to land on your doorstep. Armed with a brochure, the volunteer will urge you to back the greenest candidates you can find.

You can also expect a visit from the Western Canada Wilderness Committee, which has embarked on a similar door-knocking campaign.

Neither group is endorsing a political party and both claim to be non-partisan. But they're united in their desire to draw attention to what they believe is the dismal failure of the B.C. Liberal government to protect the environment.

"If you compare their record on the environment to a hockey game, it's like they've made the net bigger and pulled the goalie," says Taylor Bachrach, communications director of the B.C. chapter of the Sierra Club of Canada.

On the Web site www.bcfacts.org, environmental groups cite a litany of what they see as the government's environmental wrongs, from subsidizing oil and gas companies to increasing user fees in parks, awarding an environmental permit to a massive ski resort in sensitive grizzly habitat near Invermere, and rolling back the South Chilcotin park to allow mining.

Ken Wu, campaign director for WCWC, said he was shocked to hear the B.C. Liberals proclaim in their Throne Speech that they're leading the world in terms of sustainable environmental management. "It's so far from the truth. It's like saying Atilla the Hun was a great humanitarian."

Wu said the government's environmental policies make the old Socred party look like Greenpeace.

"Their track record on the environment consists of a stingy sprinkling of pro-environment initiatives in a vast sea of anti-environmental rollbacks that have weakened our environmental laws," he said.

"They're the first government to roll back every single environmental law in this province."

Bachrach said having a fixed provincial election date has given the Sierra Club time to think about its election strategy. Its new brochure, which came out Friday, features the group's "ambassadors" of the environment -- a working mother, an Olympic rower, a local fisherman, a nurse and a cabbie who drives a gas-saving hybrid car.

Blue Bird Taxi driver Amit Arya became an "ambassador" when he gave a Sierra Club member a ride home in his Toyota Prius. Buying the Prius four months ago has changed his thinking, says Arya.

"When I bought this car, everyone started asking me questions about the environment. When you drive a brand-new environmentally friendly car, you become the talk of the town.

"And I realize we've been fooled for a long time when I pull up at a stop light and I see an SUV with fumes burning out its exhaust pipe."

Concerned about the impact of the B.C. Liberals' environmental policies on the next generation, Arya decided to become involved in the Sierra Club's campaign.

"People have a right to vote for whoever they want. But look for the candidate you think is really good for the community and who will look after the environment. Like Mr. David Anderson, our former environment minister, vote for somebody like him."

Bachrach said anyone who's concerned about health should be worried about issues like climate change and clean water.

"The main message we want to share with the voters in Victoria is, 'You can't talk about jobs without talking about the environment and you can't talk about health without talking about the environment.'"

The Sierra Club, which plans to hold all-candidates meetings, wants voters to ask local candidates how they plan to make B.C. a true leader in sustainability if elected, says Bachrach.

The Vote Environment campaign will target the ridings of Saanich South and Oak Bay-Gordon Head, areas where the club wants to build support.

"If enough people incorporate the environment in their voting decision, how can we lose? And eventually, the candidates will be listening to what the voters care about," says Bachrach.

Volunteers from WCWC, which started its door-to-door campaign in south Saanich Feb. 12, have knocked on about 1,500 doors there, handing out leaflets and circulating petitions against such things as selling off Crown land.

Eventually, WCWC wants to recruit 2,000 volunteers to reach 200,000 households. In southern Vancouver Island, it's targeting the ridings of Oak Bay-Gordon Head, Saanich South and North Saanich and the Gulf Islands -- all ridings where races are close, which could force politicians to pay more attention to environmental issues, says Wu.

WCWC volunteers have canvassed 3,000 homes on Vancouver Island and the response has been excellent, said Wu.

"People living on Vancouver Island are very conscious of these issues."

Sheila Orr, Liberal MLA for Victoria-Hillside, said the environmentalists have a "my way or the highway" approach that doesn't take into account the fact there may be other ways to achieve the same environmental goals. "Both those groups really believe that the environment is theirs to hold and I think it's interesting that they don't think we do. I want clean air and green spaces as much as you."

Charley Beresford, the NDP candidate for Oak Bay-Gordon Head, said it's important that the environmental groups are "making the Liberal track record clear to voters."

"The environment is the key issue of our time," said Beresford. "And the Liberals' poor track record is abundantly clear, allowing mining in our parks, gutting ministries responsible for enforcing regulation, and making parks more inaccessible to the average family through fees."

And yes I do vounteer for the this outstanding cause 8)
 

galianomama

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well, insig - by the way - no need to yell hear, i can hear you just fine! well, for starters maybe the reason we have the highest health care spending per capita in the country is pretty much a no brainer....the reason being is because rather than creating those long term care beds, we have placed people in hospital corridors and such, and therefore our health care costs sky rocket, due to the likes of nurses and staff having to deal with elderly people WHO SHOULDN'T BE THERE TO START WITH!
 

insignificant

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Charley Beresford, the NDP candidate for Oak Bay-Gordon Head, said it's important that the environmental groups are "making the Liberal track record clear to voters."

"The environment is the key issue of our time," said Beresford. "And the Liberals' poor track record is abundantly clear, allowing mining in our parks, gutting ministries responsible for enforcing regulation, and making parks more inaccessible to the average family through fees."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - The NDP are ones to talk about environmental issues - it is a complete NDP smoke screen! If you are a TRUE ENVIRONMENTALIST you would vote GREEN!
 

insignificant

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Apr 13, 2005
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well, insig - by the way - no need to yell hear, i can hear you just fine! well, for starters maybe the reason we have the highest health care spending per capita in the country is pretty much a no brainer....the reason being is because rather than creating those long term care beds, we have placed people in hospital corridors and such, and therefore our health care costs sky rocket, due to the likes of nurses and staff having to deal with elderly people WHO SHOULDN'T BE THERE TO START WITH!

so this is the problem with health care then?
 

galianomama

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actually there are a few problems with health care in b.c. i think. i am just listing one faction of it.

the fact that residential care beds across bc have been closing down for the last four years. i think that would result in the elderly in bc having less or no access to continuing care services. we do not have adequate continuing care services, which in turn results in the government pumping more and more money into hospitals. at least that's my spin on it. what's your's?

from what i can understand, the 'assisted living' idea what brought into play with the liberals, resulting with a lot of senior's now having 'assisted living' rather than a hospital bed or residential care. with the reduction in home support and home care, we now have quite a situation on our hands, i would say.

but hey, we also are on the way to a wonderful budget :lol:
 

galianomama

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insig - why won't you answer my questions i give you? i have no idea what the other provinces are doing, i thought we were discussing what the liberal government of bc has done during the last four years in power, and something about the ndp having big plans in bc!
 

insignificant

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Apr 13, 2005
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What??? We are discussing helath care! I stated we spend more per capita then ANY OTHER PROVINCE! you say are health care system is a mess. if we spend more than every other province, does that mean that all of canada has a poor health care system?

This conversation is going in circles
 

galianomama

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no, you have been telling the board how the liberal government of bc is 'turning the books around' etc., for the benefit of those here who are not nearly as informed. i have purposely kept the conversation about the ndp/liberal situation here in bc, because that is what we have been discussing. if you wish to change to route of the conversation to include the other provinces, then i suggest you start a new post.

the only reason this conversation is going in circles is because i took your information you told the board people to read, which was 'bc check up' and blew apart your argument you had in terms of how 'bc posted the second highest increase in government health expenditures per capita'. that's all.

you didn't offer any rebuttle to this remark, so my conclusion would be is that this is all 'spin'. just depends on what wrist action you use.
 

insignificant

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Apr 13, 2005
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galliano - you blew nothing apart! You are so far from reality you're gonna need a spaceship to come back down to earth. As for pea - if you arent voting green because it is a vote for the liberals - that is silly! The party which puts the environment first is the Greens - the NDP claim they are an environmental party - however they clearly [based on prior performance] are not
 

peapod

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Keep spining sig... :lol: :lol:

Monday Magazine
Russ Francis

There was cake to mark the 10th anniversary of B.C.’s freedom of information law. But the celebration was mixed at best.

To hear management services minister Sandy Santori tell it, British Columbians are living in freedom-of information heaven. And he’s as enthusiastic as any of the advocates who struggled for years to have the legislation introduced and passed 10 years ago.

“I’m proud that I live in B.C. where we have such a strong [freedom of information] act,” Santori told 300 delegates early last Thursday morning, in a speech kicking off a Victoria conference on freedom of information and accountability in government. “We are all dedicated to providing public access to government information.”


“The B.C. government places a high priority on access to information and protection of privacy,” he added.

So impressed was federal information commissioner John Reid with Santori’s comments that he felt compelled to gush a few minutes later about how supportive the B.C. minister sounded.

“I have never heard a federal minister make such a speech since 1983 when the [federal] act was introduced,” Reid told delegates.

Santori’s enthusiasm suggested that all the delegates needed to do for the rest of the conference was chat about how fabulous the B.C. Liberals are, especially when it comes to releasing reams of public records upon request.

Admittedly, B.C. does have the strongest freedom-of-information [FOI] act in Canada.

It’s the only jurisdiction whose legislation covers self-governing professions, such as the B.C. Law Society and the B.C. College of Teachers. And it’s one of the few that does not charge applicants a fee to access their own personal records.

B.C. can also point to a first-rate Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner, which manages to settle by mediation 92 percent of the 1,000 requests for review it handles each year.

Unlike the federal Access to Information Act, Santori reminded delegates, the B.C. Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act specifies that FOI applications cost nothing, as do requests for review.

But that tells only part of the story. Public bodies are allowed to charge fees to process requests after the first three hours of work on a request, and they are allowed to charge for photocopying. A simple request can quickly run up charges of hundreds or thousands of dollars, although public bodies must advise applicants before incurring any costs.

Santori boasted that the present rates—$30 an hour for retrieving records manually plus 25 cents per page for photocopying—haven’t gone up since the act was passed.

However, that ignores circumstantial evidence that many previously free routine requests are being hit with fee estimates, some in the thousands of dollars.

These are particularly ironic in light of Gordon Campbell’s pre-election urging that governments make records available without charge, on the grounds that the public has already paid for it once.

One indication that B.C. is lagging at least the federal jurisdiction in access to information, lies in the fact that several federal officials now post their hospitality and travel expenses on their websites. Auditor general Sheila Fraser (see: http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/domino/other.nsf/html /2003exp_e.html) and information commissioner John Reid (see: http://www.infocom.gc.ca/expenses/default-e.asp) are both in this club.

That contrasts sharply with the case in B.C.

Though their administrative records—including hospitality expenses—are technically public records under the law, not one of the six statutory officers of the legislature has taken the step of posting them online.

And even with formal information-access requests, it isn’t always easy to get the officers’ records of expenses.

Three years ago, one of them, conflict of interest commissioner H.A.D. Oliver, flatly rejected an information-access request that Monday filed for his hospitality and travel records. He claimed he was exempt from the legislation. When Monday appealed his refusal, Oliver—who regularly boasts to the legislature’s finance and government services committee of his frugality—hired the prestigious (and expensive) law firm Arvay Finlay to fight the request before the commissioner. (Oliver lost.)

Of course, the federal officials are doubtless inspired by the outrageous expense claims of former privacy commissioner George Radwanski, who has given new meaning to the term “troughing.”

By being open about their expenses, Fraser and Reid aim to avoid surprising MPs with what they’re spending public funds on.

It’s a lesson the B.C. Liberals—as much as the legislature’s officers—ignore at their peril.

At least in their public pronouncements, the Liberals are expressing more support than some officials of the last regime.

“Glen Clark said to me that the FOI act was undermining democracy in B.C.,” former commissioner David Flaherty related to delegates.

While the Liberals haven’t been as open about it—with the possible exception of senior bureaucrat Ken Dobell (see Politics, p. 10)—their actions suggest that deep down the present government feels the same way.

Apart from more frequent fee estimates, amendments to the law and a variety of other changes have not only lengthened the time for response, but they’ve added restrictions on information requests, exempted B.C. Ferries from the act, doubled the time for transferring requests and imposed huge delays (necessitated by budget cuts) on the “troublesome” requests that need the intervention of the commissioner’s office.

As last week’s conference wound down, staff from Loukidelis’s office presented him and Flaherty with a cake to mark the legislation’s 10th anniversary.

But as if to rub in the point that the Liberals have crippled the office with a 35 percent budget cut, the cake was tiny, less than a handspan in width.

And instead of 10 candles, there was just one.

Explained one of the staffers, only partly in jest: “We could only afford one.”
 

galianomama

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galliano - you blew nothing apart! You are so far from reality you're gonna need a spaceship to come back down to earth.

yeah, that's me just riding that space ship way out there.....why, i am so far out that you can't even manage to answer the whimsical lass. :wink:

enough said on that one, obviously you can't come up with any info to back this argument.
 

galianomama

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oh, don't be coy insig, you do yourself and your liberal friends no faves!

i asked you questions on the previous pages regarding health care costing in bc as from 'bc check up' and you have not answered.
 

mrmom2

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I just thought that with your right wing tilt you would have lots to say about some of the other posts in some of the other threads :wink:
 

insignificant

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i asked you questions on the previous pages regarding health care costing in bc as from 'bc check up' and you have not answered.

- what page - I try to answer all but when you have 5 lefties and one me (sometimes LadyC) its hard to keep up - not to mention Im at work