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insignificant

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Apr 13, 2005
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I repeat you know nothing about what is going on in healthcare in british columbia, I do, I work in it and I talk to people every day that work in it.

Then all I ask is that you give specific examples - tell me what the solution is to the problem - and most importantly quote your sources of information.

I previously posted that BC has the HIGHEST per capita spending on health care in the COUNTRY! So if our health care is in a mess, that tells me that our tax dollars are being wasted somewhere! Where do you think that the [health care budget] money is being wasted? What would you change?

I personally would try and make our system more efficient - if that means getting sheets cleaned by a private company than do it. If that means having lab tests done by a private company, than do it. One thing that you need, is qualified professionals and equipment (Doctors, Specialists, RN's, etc).

If you work in the system, then I would really like to hear what you think. Also, please tell me if you think that Carole James has the solutions to health care - and if she does, at what cost to the tax payers?
 

insignificant

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Well you are talking about the past sig, we are talking about right now and the future. But if you want to talk about campbell broken promises we can go there to.

go there then - why not - I enjoy getting the facts straight! :lol:
 

peapod

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Have no fear sig I will do just that, working on that list in my spare moments at work. Now I will stick to the facts if you don't mind, that is the promises he made to the people of british columbia, and especially in regard to health care, something you appear to know nothing about, the only time people like you complain is when you have to go to emergency yourself.
 

peapod

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Okay lets start with the appetizers first. :p

The sale of BC Rail the liberals clearly promised that they would not sell or privitize BC rail. They did, they lied. And don't you give that dribble about "we" retain public ownership either. CN is a "MAJOR" liberal party contributor, they run the railway, own all the rolling stock, employee all the workers, keep all the profits and make all the decisions..

2001 liberal promise will support current 5% tuition freeze and fully fund it in the fiscal year to offset costs to post secondary schools.

Well he did keep that promise for the 1ST FIRST fiscal year, after that he removed ANY and ALL restrictions on universites and colleges. Since the liberals have to come to power in british columbia tutition fees have gone up 70 percent. 600 million dollars ADDITIONAL fees paid for by students..or so say the canadian federation of students....ya I know they are lying.

Liberal promise not to privitize BC Hydro, than transfering 1/3 of its operation to the bermuda based accenture to provide BCer's with the health care they need, allowing waiting lists for surgery to jump 20% since liberals came into power....

We will move along to the first course later.
 

LadyC

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re: tuition freezes.
The NDP froze tuition for how many years? Great for the students at that time... or was it? Profs need to be paid, as do their assistants and everyone else. Research costs money, and where does that come from, if not from tuition?

The savings realized by previous students came on the backs of the current ones. Don't blame the Liberals for this one... anyone with any foresight saw this coming.
 

peapod

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A interesting article by tim howard is a staff lawyer with the sierra legal defence fund


Why you didn't hear the word 'environment' in B.C.'s brown budget.
B.C.'s new budget attracted a lot of attention, and the descriptions of the budget's impact were numerous and varied -- it's a turning point, it doesn't make up for past cuts, it attracts investment, it penalizes the poor and so on. But one thing you didn't hear in all the clamour, was the word 'environment'.

That's because the Liberals left the environment right out of the budget.
Usually the budget speech at least gives a nod to the environment, in recognition of the importance B.C. residents place on the protection of our natural heritage. But Minister Collins didn't even bother this time around, aside from proclaiming that B.C.'s healthy environment is part of our 'spirit of 2010'. A review of the budget documents spells out why he ducked the issue; with budget cuts and further subsidies to industry, this budget is coloured a deep shade of brown.
Steep cuts to key ministries


Let's start with the funding for the key ministries that manage and protect our natural resources. Compared against the budget estimates for 2001/02 when the Liberals came into power, the 2004/05 budget has the Ministry of Forests losing 37 percent of its budget and 30 percent of its staff, the Ministry of Sustainable Resource Management losing 48 percent of its budget and 50 percent of its staff, and the Ministry of Water, Land and Air Protection losing 9 percent of its budget and 29 percent of its staff. And that's after several years of belt tightening under the NDP.

The allocation of the few funds available also follows questionable priorities. Seven times more money is devoted in the Ministry of Energy and Mines budget to Executive and Support Services, than to the development of policies and programs to support alternative energy sources and energy conservation and efficiency. And more money in Water, Land and Air Protection is devoted to Executive and Support Services, than to managing and protecting our extensive park system.

Where's fire fighting, water funding?
In case you've bought the line that money is being focused on rigorous monitoring and enforcement, think again. The Ministry of Forests compliance and enforcement budget is down 10 percent from last year, and is only 50 percent of the budget for, you guessed it, Executive and Support Services. Heck, they've even cut the fire fighting budget by $10 million, after the worst fire season on record for a long time.
What about drinking water protection, something the Liberals claim to be addressing through the new Drinking Water Protection Act? This budget offers no money targeted to the protection of drinking water, no funding for the promised 'Drinking Water Protection Officers', and no new money for the required watershed planning and risk assessment so essential to protecting drinking water at its source.

On the other hand, the Liberals are quick to point out their support for the industrial sectors our malnourished ministries are supposed to be regulating. They're pouring millions into the oil and gas sector through royalty credits for developing more difficult to access gas reserves, and directly subsidizing road construction. And they're putting $17 million over three years into promoting offshore oil and gas development.

Alberta, Alaska know better
But the biggest environmental problem with this budget is the opportunities it misses. Like giving the alternative energy sector the kind of direct incentives and subsidies offered to the oil and gas sector. In a changing energy economy where greenhouse gas emissions are going to carry an ever-increasing price tag, hitching our economic cart to the fossil fuel industry is just plain bad planning.
Another bright idea missing from the budget is a special investment fund to save some of those bonanza revenues from oil and gas development. Some day soon the gas is going to be gone, and then what happens to the now bustling towns of B.C.'s northeast? Smarter jurisdictions like Norway, Alaska and even Alberta have invested a portion of their oil and gas revenues to fund economic and community transition when the fossil fuels run out. It would be wise for B.C. to do the same.

The Walkerton Commission report concluded that budget cuts and staff reductions under the Harris government clearly contributed to the fatal outbreak of waterborne disease, and we don't need a commission of inquiry to prove that protecting our environment makes good social and economic sense. Unfortunately, this government seems to need the kind of wake up call that Walkerton gave Ontario, before it puts some resources back into environmental protection.
 

insignificant

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The sale of BC Rail the liberals clearly promised that they would not sell or privitize BC rail. They did, they lied. And don't you give that dribble about "we" retain public ownership either. CN is a "MAJOR" liberal party contributor, they run the railway, own all the rolling stock, employee all the workers, keep all the profits and make all the decisions..

FACT: BC Rail was a MONEY LOSER which cost BC Taxpayers $860million over the last 15 years.

2001 liberal promise will support current 5% tuition freeze and fully fund it in the fiscal year to offset costs to post secondary schools
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FACT: Tuition fees were frozen for 10 years under the NDP - increasing costs of operation have to be covered by someone - either the users or the taxpayers - none the less, tax payers still cover approximately 75 - 80% of the tuition (which I think is still too much burden on the taxpayer). If a student cannot afford tuition, there are student loan, grant and bursary programs available. I don't think that the student unions are lying, I don't think they have a sense of reality.

Liberal promise not to privitize BC Hydro, than transfering 1/3 of its operation to the bermuda based accenture to provide BCer's with the health care they need, allowing waiting lists for surgery to jump 20% since liberals came into power....

FACT: According to BC Hydro - By contracting out to Accenture, BC Hydro will save $250 mil. over 10 years - makes good financial sense to me! That is not SELLING OFF BC Hydro - it is simply contracting out services. By the way, I don't care if Accentures corporate HQ is on the moon, the employees of Accenture Services BC live and work RIGHT HERE IN BC.

allowing waiting lists for surgery to jump 20% since liberals came into power....

FACT: (from BC Liberals Website)

· In 2003/04 we conducted 68,000 more procedures than in 2001. This includes:

o 33 % more knee replacements

o 21 % more hip replacements

o 20 % more cataract removals

o 40 % more angioplasties

· Wait lists got worse under the NDP. For example, in 2000 there were 700 cancer patients who waited up to three months for radiation therapy. Today, there is virtually no wait for cancer treatment.

· For the first time, health authorities are conducting a full audit of cleanliness in all hospitals – and the results show that cleanliness is improving. These independent audits were never done under the NDP when the HEU was in charge.

Bring on some more :roll:

Bottom line Pea - You may work in health care, and have some first hand experience in health care, but I work in the business world, and I can definately tell that you are definately lacking knowledge of that world!
 

mrmom2

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FACT: BC Rail was a MONEY LOSER which cost BC Taxpayers $860million over the last 15 years.
This is true but the only reason it was losing money was because the price of coal went in the toilet .Now that coal is worth something the Libs give away BC rail to CN Who's going to get rich now not the people of BC :evil: Think there isn't a little corruption involved there SIG!If it was such a money loser what the fuck does CN want with it ?This was a sellout to a big corporate crime syndicate plane and simple Campbell sold you out me out and our kids :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
 

peapod

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Oh so now gordon campbell election promises that he broke are now of a sudden the truth...Ouch! sound like a orwellian tale to me...hey have you heard what they have done with the freedom of information. Moving along, yes I know you don't like the cut and paste, but as long as one person reads it, well thats good enough for me. :wink:

Our Air

1. HOT AIR ON GLOBAL WARMING - TARGETS SET, THEN IGNORED

A. THE COMMITMENT
"B.C. is committed to the goal of stabilizing our provincial emissions of greenhouse gases at 1990 levels by the year 2000. We must take action now."
Anne Edwards, Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources (Province of British Columbia News Release, November 20, 1995)
"For our province, climate change could seriously disrupt agriculture, forestry and fisheries, threaten wildlife species and habitat, and wipe out important estuaries. There would be more forest fires, more pressure on water resources, major flooding on the coast, and considerable property destruction."
Moe Sihota, Minister of Environment, Land and Parks, (Province of British Columbia News Release, November 20, 1995)
Following the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio, where Canada signed the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, B.C. committed to stabilizing its emissions at 1990 levels by the year 2000. The provincial government then drafted the British Columbia Greenhouse Gas Action Plan to identify means of achieving its goal.

B. THE BETRAYAL
During the Kyoto negotiations on global warming in December 1997, B.C. abandoned its earlier commitment to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions at 1990 levels by the year 2000.

Environment Minister Cathy McGregor argued publicly that B.C. should get special treatment because the province is big and cold and the population is growing. McGregor also criticized the federal government for agreeing to the Kyoto targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 6% by the year 2010, saying this commitment was excessive and that protecting jobs was more important. In fact, greenhouse gas emissions in B.C. have already risen by over 16% since 1990.

C. NO OPPOSITION
The Liberals failed to criticize the government for breaking its promise regarding greenhouse gas emissions and have no formal policy on global warming.

D. THE SOLUTION
The government of B.C. should re-commit to stabilizing its greenhouse gas emissions at 1990 levels by the year 2000 and become a world leader in reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 2010. A range of tools should be utilized, including increasing energy efficiency, shifting away from high-carbon fossil fuels, increasing our use of renewable energy and a revenue neutral carbon tax. B.C. should also be a leader in developing technologies to reduce greenhouse gases, such as the Ballard fuel cell, giving us a technological advantage and creating jobs at the same time.


2. BEEHIVE BURNERS: PUTTING PROFITS AHEAD OF HUMAN HEALTH

A. THE COMMITMENT
"Smoke from beehive burners is one of the major sources of air pollution in B.C. . . . [and] a major air quality hazard to human health in B.C."
Ministry of Environment, Land and Parks, Wood Residue Burner Regulation--Questions and Answers Document, December 8, 1995
"Simply disposing of wood residue by burning it near communities is no longer an acceptable outcome of our industrial activities."
Ministry of Environment, Land and Parks, "Backgrounder", December 11, 1995
In late 1995, the NDP government introduced a new regulation that required all polluting beehive burners near B.C. communities to shut down by December 31, 1997. Beehive burners are recognized as a major health and environmental problem. A health study conducted by the government revealed that beehive burners and other sources of particulate matter are causing increased deaths, hospitalizations, emergency room visits and the loss of work and school days by people with respiratory ailments. The health costs, annually, are estimated at over $70 million. Beehive burners have been illegal in the United States for over 30 years.

B. THE BETRAYAL
In December 1997, the B.C. government rolled back the law, allowing about 40 beehive burners to continue poisoning British Columbians and polluting our environment.

Between December 1995 and December 1997, 40 of the 80 problematic beehive burners in B.C. were closed down. Most of the burners that shut down were operated by smaller companies. However, the Council of Forest Industries, a lobby group representing the big timber companies, pressured the government to change the December 31, 1997 deadline for shutting down burners.

In December 1997, the government changed the regulation, removing the requirement that beehive burners shut down by December 31, 1997, and substituting a process of negotiation between government and industry. The new deadline dates for shutting down burners are flexible. The bottom line is that dozens of beehive burners continue to belch particulate matter into the air near unfortunate B.C. communities.

This backtracking has negative health, environmental and economic consequences. More British Columbians will die or suffer from respiratory illnesses, air will remain polluted, health care costs will be in the tens of millions of dollars and the responsible timber companies who shut their burners down will be at a competitive disadvantage against their rivals who dragged their heels in failing to comply with the old law, while lobbying successfully to have the law changed.

C. NO OPPOSITION
The Liberals failed to criticize the rollback of this health and environment law.

D. THE SOLUTION
Every beehive burner operating in or near a B.C. community should be closed immediately, saving lives, preventing illnesses, protecting our air and saving health care costs. Preferable alternatives for utilizing wood residue (instead of burning it) already exist which will create jobs, not cost jobs.

3. PULP MILL EMISSIONS: PUTTING PROFITS AHEAD OF CLEAN AIR
A. THE COMMITMENT
"B.C. will not allow air pollution to get worse."
Moe Sihota, Minister of Environment, Land and Parks, News Release, November 28, 1995
"The provincial government is fulfilling its commitment to improve the quality of the air which is affected by harmful pollutants."
Moe Sihota, Minister of Environment Land and Parks, News Release, December 11, 1995
As part of its Clean Air strategy, the government promised to reduce air pollution from major industrial polluters like pulp and paper mills.

B. THE BETRAYAL
In 1997, the Ministry of Environment amended the permit for Howe Sound Pulp and Paper Limited's Port Mellon pulp mill, allowing an increase of 300% in sulphur dioxide emissions and 80% in nitrogen oxide emissions. These substances are major sources of acid rain. The government also rejected a citizen group's efforts to bring charges against the mill for chronic violations of the law.

Howe Sound Pulp and Paper Limited's Port Mellon pulp mill, located near Squamish, has made repeated appearances on B.C.'s "Worst Polluter List," published semi-annually by the Ministry of Environment. The mill was repeatedly violating the emission levels contained in its Waste Management Act permit by spewing sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxide into the air.

To make matters worse, many pulp mills in B.C. have no limits on the amount of sulphur dioxide and other air emissions they discharge, because government has focused on water pollution from these mills. As well, the pulp and paper industry is now lobbying the government to weaken the government's effluent regulations, which require mills to clean up their water pollution by 2002.

C. NO OPPOSITION
The Liberals oppose the publication of the "Worst Polluter List" because they say it "demoralizes business." The Liberals have also voiced concerns about excessive environmental regulation and overly zealous enforcement of environmental laws.

D. THE SOLUTION
Polluters should either clean up their operations or face prosecution for violating environmental laws. The pulp and paper mill effluent regulations must not be weakened. All pulp and paper mills should have restrictions placed on their emissions of sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxide to prevent acid rain from becoming a significant problem in B.C. The practice of relaxing permit standards to enable companies to get off of the "Worst Polluters List" should be stopped.
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Source:
http://www.sierralegal.org/reports/betray_trust1.html#contents
 

insignificant

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Apr 13, 2005
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Did Gordon Campbell weaken the drunk driving laws, or even refuse to strengthen them, after his DWI in Hawaii?

Oct 19, 2004: The B.C. government has introduced legislation to get tough on drunk drivers, including impounding vehicles and installing ignition interlocks for repeat offenders.

Complete story: http://autonet.ca/Laws/story.cfm?story=/Laws/2004/10/19/676456.html

This is fun Pea - what else you got??? :D
 

insignificant

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Apr 13, 2005
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Nothing to say on my post about BC rail eh?LadyC and Sig

*BC Taxpayers received a fair cash injection through the privatization of BC Rail ($1 bil)

* Rail transport costs cut by an average of 7% and two days knocked off the shipping time to Chicago

* Prince George and Prince Rupert will see their profile increased as northern transportation gateways. CN will open a new office in Prince George, creating a hub of economic activity around its new mechanical and maintenance facilities.

* The container facility in Prince Rupert Port is now moving forward at a fast pace thanks to CN and the provincial government's commitment.

* Winter said the critics' forecasts of “massive job losses” did not materialize, noting that there will be only 25 involuntary departures in Prince George over the next three years as the two railways merge. Managerial jobs moving from the south to the north will boost the regional economy.

This info was taken from the BC Chamber of Commerce Site at http://www.bcchamber.org/pressrelease/20031125.html
Bottom line mom, the deal is done, like it or not, but I can tell you that from a financial standpoint IT MAKES SENSE!