Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there hope?

[peapod]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

You go straight to hell dory, I call a spade a spade, I have visited the forum you belong to, you know the one that refers to first nations as "chugs" Don't you even think for one second you are bringing that here.

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Natuashish, another d

Don't worry about Brotman...he's just another racist hiding behind his computer.

I'm assuming I'm Brotman...? And yes, I'm a scary slimy racist that drinks oil and gives handguns to cute little ethnic children. I belive in Eugenics and firmly support Hitlers Ghost in it's upcoming campaign to become Mayor of New Townsville. BOoooooooooOOOOooo!!!!!!!! You're only hope is to wear hemp clothing and re-watch Michael Moored documentaries while listening to Bono, WOOOoooOOOOooooo!!!!

Have I not already mentioned to you people that I'm one eighth native? That I have as much native blood as most of those who reap the benefits of these handouts?

"Well, I have for one and I am not, nor have I ever been, a welfare bum or an alcoholic"

None of you are even reading what I'm saying are you? I mean outside that one sentence..

"Now the tables are turned and it seems that we could use a hand to survive the modern world"

You are being given a hand. Hasn't the government just approved a few billion dollars to be spread among native communities? My problem is that this money is continually used poorly and ignorantly, like in Natuashish.

Y'know, if you want, I can edit that sentence you're all having trouble with...

 

[Laika]

Re: RE: Natuashish, another d

Don't worry about Brotman...he's just another racist hiding behind his computer.

Maybe, but he is also engaged in the topic and that is a great start. Perhaps all he needs is someone to show him what the experience is like on the other side of the fence.

The underpinnings of resentment were not lost on me, but that is his personal issue, not mine. He does not speak for my friends or family back on the Rez, people like my mother who works tirelessly as a crisis counsellor for victims of violent crimes, or my uncle who drives people from outlying native communities to larger city centres for surgery or to fill medical prescriptions. If someone is in the hospital, guaranteed they will get a visit from my uncle, who will then take word or deliver messages back to their home communities. Or my friend Marty, who has inspired countless young native people with his anti-drug and alcohol message. My aunt who is a pipe-carrier and holds sweat lodge ceremonies for people to find peace of mind and serenity in their lives.

All these people benefit from the programs on the reserves and all these people give something back to the community to make life better for future generations.

 

[Jay]

RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

Rev just hates anyone who doesn't speak NDP talk. I wouldn't get too excited about it.

 

[Laika]

RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

Well, what would your solution be? Rather than whinging about it, how do you address the situation?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

Rev just hates anyone who doesn't speak NDP talk.

:roll: Piss off, Jay. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm a scary slimy racist that drinks oil and gives handguns to cute little ethnic children

We figured that out already. We've seen the musings at the other place you hang out.

 

[Jay]

RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

No, Rev, you piss off. I've read enough of your posts to know you're hooked on name calling and a hate junkie. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

If you read Dory's post here, you would see what he is alluding too and if you want to criticize it fine, but just calling people racist isn't cutting it with the grown ups trying to understand and learn something about how people feel about this issue.

 

[annabattler]

RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

There are many complex reasons invovled in this argument.
All I know for sure is that the children suffer...they suffer from lack of role models,they suffer from inferior education,they suffer from lack of parenting....and then they give up hope,the very thing that enables people to struggle against odds and to look for something better.
And I also know that fixing this situation is something that must come from within the community,not from without.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is ther

Well, what would your solution be? Rather than whinging about it, how do you address the situation?

I think this is a huge issue, and I don't think there is an easy answer to all of this. The natives I know (or used to know) I went to school with and these were people who were going places, movers and shakers coming up on the scene. I haven't met enough disenfranchised natives to know exactly what the problems they face are, but I can say I do agree with Dory, throwing more money and a relocation project isn't going to solve a bloody thing. I'm reading this thread with great interest....

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Natuashish, another d

Jay, you've made it clear that you have nothing to add to this conversation. You're just here to go after me. Too f*cking bad.

Doryman has taken a position based on a racist stereotype. It's not the first such position he's taken. His only real concern, just like yours, is for the condition of his purse.

 

[Laika]

RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

That's how all the native problems have been handled recently. Just throw money and hope it goes away. No one wants to deal with us directly, they just wish we would die off already or become good little brown white-men and stop being soooo ~INDIAN~. Hell, most of the time, that money never makes it to the people who need it the most, because it gets siphoned away from the very people who are supposed to be there to help us.

 

[Doryman]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

Rev just hates anyone who doesn't speak NDP talk.

:roll: Piss off, Jay. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm a scary slimy racist that drinks oil and gives handguns to cute little ethnic children

We figured that out already. We've seen the musings at the other place you hang out.

I assume you're talking about that pissed.ca site, huh? Well lately I've been looking for a forum where I can discuss canadian issues with other canadians ( most forums I've been too are a little yank-heavy) The two I found first and joined were this and the "other place" I hang out. Personally I'm not a big fan of the idology over at pissed, and I' haven't been back after the ONE day when I went there. So i stumbled across a bad site, sue me Rev. In fact,, go back and get every single post I made. i'm pretty sure there are two, and no more are forthcoming... but still you can parade my horrible racism before the world, you hero you.

And I think it's kind of significant that the two Canadian sites I've found differ wildly in ideology, but both flip out on anyone who doesn't toe the party line EXACTLY!!!

"Jay, you've made it clear that you have nothing to add to this conversation. You're just here to go after me. Too f*cking bad"

And what exactly do you have to add, Rev. You came in here to go after me! How is it you're allowed to post for the sole reason of attacking someone, but Jay isn't? Is it possibly because Jay doesn't really agree with you? Heaven Forbid!

 

[Laika]

RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

Evidently this discussion has devolved to something else entirely and I'm not sure if I can contribute any thing more.

I'm outty!

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is ther

Evidently this discussion has devolved to something else entirely and I'm not sure if I can contribute any thing more.

I'm outty!

Sorry to see you go, Laika.


REV,

"His only real concern, just like yours, is for the condition of his purse."

So... when I say money is not the solution, I'm a penny-pincher... but when other, like Laika say..."More money is not the solution, clearly" she's not?

I don't buy that. But anyway, my point is still that we should not be giving huge amounts of money to these problems. They are not going to worthwhile uses. It would be much better if we found another way.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

:roll: at doryboy.

Give it up, you've tipped your hand.

That's how all the native problems have been handled recently. Just throw money and hope it goes away. No one wants to deal with us directly, they just wish we would die off already or become good little brown white-men and stop being soooo ~INDIAN~.

A lot of the problem is that native issues are looked at as the native issue by most Canadians and most politicians. They don't really understand that there as many different issues as there are bands.

I always find it funny that nobody would dare suggest that North Ontario has the exact problems that need the exact same solutions as southern Saskatchewan, but natives from those places are all lumped together.

That leaves the politicians unable to deal directly with natives because not only don't the politicians know what the issues are, they aren't even that the issues exist.

 

[Jay]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

Jay, you've made it clear that you have nothing to add to this conversation. You're just here to go after me. Too f*cking bad.

Doryman has taken a position based on a racist stereotype. It's not the first such position he's taken. His only real concern, just like yours, is for the condition of his purse.

Jay, you've made it clear that you have nothing to add to this conversation. You're just here to go after me. Too f*cking bad.

WTH? I'm reading this thread with interest, thanks. I was hoping my comments would keep you from posting more stupidity in this thread and wrecking it.

Oh and BTW, nobody other than a few people believe this BS about people going after you. I mean there is narcissism, and then there is narcissism.

The only person more interested than me in my purse, is you.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

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[Colpy]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

:roll: at doryboy.

Give it up, you've tipped your hand.

That's how all the native problems have been handled recently. Just throw money and hope it goes away. No one wants to deal with us directly, they just wish we would die off already or become good little brown white-men and stop being soooo ~INDIAN~.

A lot of the problem is that native issues are looked at as the native issue by most Canadians and most politicians. They don't really understand that there as many different issues as there are bands.

I always find it funny that nobody would dare suggest that North Ontario has the exact problems that need the exact same solutions as southern Saskatchewan, but natives from those places are all lumped together.

That leaves the politicians unable to deal directly with natives because not only don't the politicians know what the issues are, they aren't even that the issues exist.

That is an excellent point Rev.

However, we need to leave Marxist ideology behind when we deal with native issues anywhere. People simply don't respond to "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

It rapidly becomes "From each as little as he can get away with, to each as much as he can con us out of"

Marxism is a failure. People work most efficiently when their own goods and livelyhood are at stake.

Collectivism on reserves is just whacky, at least on most reserves.

Accepting that may be a starting point.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is ther

Evidently this discussion has devolved to something else entirely and I'm not sure if I can contribute any thing more.

I'm outty!

Let's not just go away because some people want to have a pissing contest.

This is a valid thread, with a valid question, and we need to hear from natives if we are going to get something out of it. Some people are going to be reluctant to say what is on their minds (like me) knowing people willy nilly throw around the word racist. If we can have a place where we can seriously talk about this, with the people it matters most too, we can learn something.

 

[peapod]

Re: Natuashish, another davis Inlet disaster? Or is there ho

"Rev just hates anyone who doesn't speak NDP talk. I wouldn't get too excited about it."

Just what do you call that statement above Jay? This is exactly the same thing you do constantly, you follow the rev around and no matter what the topic, you post this stupid comment. You call this a contribution. I don't, and you cut it out! What does the NDP or the reverend politics have to do with this thread.

This thread is locked!