National Aboriginal Health Organization’s funding cut

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Not at all. Provincal (regional) issues should be addressed directly by those being affected by the issues and not restricted to the bureaucracy of a National system.
 

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The fed govt-as in the Tories, don't want to be involved in health care, so they are cutting where they can. FNs are free to use the provincial system like they do now already. Those people who believe they are separate and have their own "sovereign" nations can easily access Canada's health care system, no problem, no discrimination, coast to coast. When they purchase liquor they don't have to pay taxes, but they can waltz into a hospital and get medical care without trouble. Such a charade we have going here. I suppose it is part of FN traditions.
 

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Those people who believe they are separate and have their own "sovereign" nations can easily access Canada's health care system, no problem, no discrimination, coast to coast.
Well ya, it's in the contract.

When they purchase liquor they don't have to pay taxes...
You've been fixated on alcohol these days. Is everything OK?

... but they can waltz into a hospital and get medical care without trouble.
Just like you.

Such a charade we have going here.
What charade is that?

I suppose it is part of FN traditions.
It is since you guys made us the deal. Deal with it.
 

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Not at all. Provincal (regional) issues should be addressed directly by those being affected by the issues and not restricted to the bureaucracy of a National system.
One would think. A lot of things "should be", though.

The fed govt-as in the Tories, don't want to be involved in health care, so they are cutting where they can. FNs are free to use the provincial system like they do now already. Those people who believe they are separate and have their own "sovereign" nations can easily access Canada's health care system, no problem, no discrimination, coast to coast. When they purchase liquor they don't have to pay taxes, but they can waltz into a hospital and get medical care without trouble. Such a charade we have going here. I suppose it is part of FN traditions.
It's not just a matter of FN peoples being able to access medical services.
 

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Which is why funding cuts aren't a bad thing as long as issues can be properly and directly addressed by those directly involved.
and the cuts can be replaced by alternate solutions. Whacking an organisation is only solving one issue (the fiscal one) and creating a mass of other issues. And yep, issues involving people should be addressed by those same people.
 

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and the cuts can be replaced by alternate solutions. Whacking an organisation is only solving one issue (the fiscal one) and creating a mass of other issues. And yep, issues involving people should be addressed by those same people.
There is too much redundancy between Fed and Provincal programs, it's pointless to fund two entites working toward the same goal.
 

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Such outbursts, just like daycare. Some people really ought to learn how to use inside voices.

Often they don't pay tax, but get full health care nevertheless. Which is not entirely consistent. Which is why so many perhaps are against any type of a user pay system as FNs use the system but pay less than the average. How sustainable is that?

No one wants to do anything with FNs, so the feds are downloading as much of the problem as they can in the hope the provinces will be forced to do something.
 

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Here is a newsflash for you dumpy.

If somebody has a health concern, FN or not, it is my concern on a local and Provincial level.

A national agency may not have the slightest clue as to how to deal with it on a regional scale.
 

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Such outbursts, just like daycare.
As you've been told before, you really don't need to post disclaimers on your posts. We're all well aware of your disabilities.

Often they don't pay tax, but get full health care nevertheless.
Ya, it's called a contract. Our payment was vast tracts of land.

Which is not entirely consistent. Which is why so many perhaps are against any type of a user pay system as FNs use the system but pay less than the average. How sustainable is that?
See above.

No one wants to do anything with FNs, so the feds are downloading as much of the problem as they can in the hope the provinces will be forced to do something.
Ummm, ya, they only started downloading years ago.
 

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Here is a newsflash for you dumpy.

If somebody has a health concern, FN or not, it is my concern on a local and Provincial level.

A national agency may not have the slightest clue as to how to deal with it on a regional scale.

A national agency is federally funded, and the fed govt takes in a lot of tax money in the country. To have feds out of health care is a downloading burden to the povinces.

A regional issue may go beyond one province and I suppose a national agency could handle that, but that assumes no international plagues ever occur. They happen so rarely, why bother funding?
 

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A national agency is federally funded, and the fed govt takes in a lot of tax money in the country. To have feds out of health care is a downloading burden to the povinces.

A regional issue may go beyond one province and I suppose a national agency could handle that, but that assumes no international plagues ever occur. They happen so rarely, why bother funding?
Exactly, the fed wants to dump the provinces and territories with stuff, so the provinces and territories should cut back on fed payments accordingly.
 

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The Feds have been downloading on the provinces for years.

Cutting the funding to NAHO, isn't really downloading. It's cutting funding to an organization some see as a redundant special interest group.

I'm sort of inclined to agree with that sentiment.
 

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The Feds have been downloading on the provinces for years.

Cutting the funding to NAHO, isn't really downloading. It's cutting funding to an organization some see as a redundant special interest group.

I'm sort of inclined to agree with that sentiment.
yep. me, too. I think all the data and stuff pertinent to each province and territory that NAHO has should be duplicated and given to the appropriate provinces and territories.
 

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Aboriginal health agency's 'governance' issues cited for cuts

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Created on Wednesday, 11 April 2012 13:36
Last Updated on Wednesday, 30 November -0001 00:00
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Cuts create a serious void in Inuit health research, critics say CBC News

One of the reasons the federal government pulled funding for the National Aboriginal Health Organization (NAHO) was due to its "governance challenges," says Federal Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq.

"Health Canada worked with NAHO in an attempt to resolve these issues but, unfortunately, they were not addressed," Aglukkaq said in a statement.

The statement went on to say how some organizations, such as the Assembly of First Nations (AFN), withdrew support from NAHO.
CBC News learned last week the federal government plans to cut more than 800 positions at Health Canada. Despite those cuts, Aglukkaq’s office said it will protect frontline health care services and continue to make what it calls “major investments” in aboriginal health, nursing and research.

Bill Erasmus, who is the AFN’s representative for the Northwest Territories, said they passed a resolution a few years ago saying they wanted NAHO’s funding to go to communities.

He said the AFN eventually pulled its support for NAHO a few years ago over a disagreement in how NAHO was being run.
But Erasmus said he’s worried that the government has pulled the funding for the health research organization.

"I don't think the Canadian government understands the legal relationship and the contribution they have to make to that, in other words, they talk about having difficulty with covering health care – well, it’s a right. . . it’s in the treaties, it’s very specific that we get free health," he said.

Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami, which advocates for Inuit in Nunavut, issued a short statement about the cut Tuesday afternoon.

Mary Simon, the organization’s president, said they were involved with NAHO since its creation in 2000 and, in particular, the Inuit Tuttarvingat Centre section which dealt with Inuit health issues.

Simon said the loss of Inuit Tuttarvingat "creates a serious void in Inuit health research and support to address Inuit health issues," she said in a statement.

But Simon also noted that her organization encouraged NAHO to restructure to better reflect the distinct needs of Inuit.
Suicide researcher calls cut a "disgrace"

An Iqaluit-based suicide researcher, Jack Hicks, said he is shocked by the news.

"Just when you think you've heard it all, I did this huge double-take at my computer screen I simply couldn't believe it," he said. "Why would you pick on an organization which does such important work for the section of the Canadian population with by far the worst health indicators," he asked.

He said he relies on NAHO’s publications for his research. He is calling the cut a "disgrace".

"Perhaps Harper put her in there specifically to have an aboriginal person do the dirty work for him in the hopes that having an aboriginal minister of health would somehow dampen the criticism," said Hicks.

All of NAHO’s 31 employees will be let go by the end of June. The organization is also looking at partnering with a university or health research centre to preserve its research and documents.