NAFTA is sinking

B00Mer

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Yippie...

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Time for Canada to roll out the red carpet for China..

F*ck the USA and the Trumpatrds.. Canada needs a wall on our southern border to keep the yankee scum out.

 

Danbones

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The Chinese have killed over a hundred million of their own people and mao was the biggest mass murderer in history
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you could suck his nads!
 

Durry

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China does not purchase manufactured products from Canada, you fool, they make their own.

The only thing China buys from Canada is resources, and for that we don't need trade agreements.

Only an idiot and selfie boy would think otherwise
 

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No new manufacturing plants will return to the U.S..

There is no infrastructure.

As an example, the U.S. gave the telecom industry 40 billion to install fibre optics throughout the country, but not an inch was done. A total 40 billion dollar windfall for the telecom Capitalists.

There is not enough electricity being generated within the U.S. to power electric cars much less the new energy for any highly industrialized manufacturing plants.

The shipping ports and highways have not been upgraded since the 1980's.

This is all about imposing duty taxes on certain items manufactured outside the U.S. in order to bring in some cash and not about actually bringing manufacturing plants back into the U.S.. Canada will be allowed to keep manufacturing, but must agree to increased import duties which will never amount to enough of a cost so as to make it worth the cost or effort for most manufacturing plants to operate totally within the U.S..

All the Free Trade agreements that Canada is signing is not about manufacturing ..... it is about giving Canadian Corporations and financiers the unfettered opportunity of moving their wealth offshore and into East Asia and have all the protections in place where it can not be seized by foreign governments.

There is a huge hurry to do so, because everybody and their dog knows full well that the American Empire is collapsing around us as China takes its rightful place on the world stage by 2030.
 

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China can take whatever financial stage it wants in the world, but it will never displace the US as a world superpower or as the world policeman.
 

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The Chinese economy is growing at three times the rate of the American economy and has already over taken America as defined by most metrics.

One of the main reasons for the Chinese ascendance is that they do not waste time and money being the world's policeman.
 

spilledthebeer

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The Chinese economy is growing at three times the rate of the American economy and has already over taken America as defined by most metrics.

One of the main reasons for the Chinese ascendance is that they do not waste time and money being the world's policeman.

Canada does 70-80 billion dollars in trade each year with China and 700-800 billion in trade with Yankees- the ONLY way we could do more business with China is to sell them OUR country and forget about sovereignty and environmental laws!

Here is an article illustrating how the muddled values of Our idiot Boy Justin are affecting the Cdn economy. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau TPP stance affects NAFTA: experts 2/11
Canadian Press. Mike Blanchfield


It was Justin Trudeau's most Harperesque moment — opting not to go along just to get along with 10 other Pacific Rim nations determined to salvage the Trans-Pacific Partnership in Vietnam.

Earlier this week, the prime minister hit the brakes on throwing Canada's full support behind the proposed "TPP 11," a salvage of the larger pact that President Donald Trump killed when he withdrew U.S. support earlier this year. Trudeau's muted enthusiasm for a quick deal triggered the harshest barrage of international criticism he's ever faced.

(That`s what happens when you make policy by emotion- flying by the seat of your impulsive anti Yankee pants! Our idiot Boy Justin has been happily sneering at and making trouble for Trump by raising all manner of irrelevant social issues that have no place in a trade agreement between nations! And all the while. Trump has been trying to talk national security and Muslim terror issues that are of massive and genuine concern to Yankees- AND CDNS! With Our idiot boy playing deaf and dumb to ALL the worries!)

(Along the way, Our idiot Boy has read some polls and figured out that HE will be blamed- on BOTH sides of the border if NAFTA fails and our economy takes a major hit! With 35 Yankee states having Canada as most valued trading partner! So in a muddled sop to Trump, Our idiot Boy has roughly repudiated the TPP deal! Problem is that Trump does not care if we Cdns sign on or not- just so long as He does not have to- Trump is fully focussed on TERROR! Yankees do not wis to import Jehadist jerks along with their Cdn dairy and softwood lumber! So Our idiot Boy has offended important Asian allies without mollifying Trump! Its all just more MUDDLED LIE-beral policy falling to pieces!)

Much of the outrage over Canada's sudden outlier status emanated from Down Under.

An Australian television station cited sources who said, "the Canadians screwed everybody." "Justin Trudeau sabotages Trans-Pacific Partnership," the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper flatly declared in a headline.

Late Friday, the talks had made enough progress for Canada to declare a modest victory, but it was a far cry from the "deal in principle" Japan's economy minister was trumpeting the day before.

Once the headlines faded, the strategic calculation behind why the prime minister decided to slow things down came into sharp focus: jumping quickly into that trade deal would have weakened Canada's hand in renegotiating NAFTA with an even harder-nosed Trump administration.

(And here we have the loonie leftist LIE-beral friendly media offering up excuses for Our idiot Boy! Trump is all about Muslim terror and national security and does not care what other deals we make with foreigners! JUST SO LONG as we do not export important Yankee technology along with our other products! If Canada is to be fully integrated in North American military defence then we MUST offer up security assurances to Yankees and sadly Our idiot Boy does NOT wish to offer such assurances- just as his father did not! Our idiot Boy has to decide- IN OR OUT with Yankees! And Our idiot Boy wants OUT because he hates Yankees- and to hell with Cdn defense and sovereignty!)

(Our idiot Boy has discovered the hard way that Yankees see no particular reason to defend Canada against North Korean missiles! And why should they? Yankees appealed to us to help with developing their Star Wars defence system and Mulroney turned them down. And later Chretien did the same. Harper nicely mollified ruffled Yankee feathers by sending the very effective Cdn battle group to Kandahar- but now we have Our idiot Boy being more obnoxious than any previous Cdn prime minister ever dreamed of- and the patience of our trade partners and allies is growing THIN as a result!)
 

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The Canadian economy is almost entirely tied to the American economy - that is beyond dispute.

I was saying that the Chinese economy will eventually dwarf the American economy.
 

spilledthebeer

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The Canadian economy is almost entirely tied to the American economy - that is beyond dispute.

I was saying that the Chinese economy will eventually dwarf the American economy.

You are- as usual ignoring critical points such as |our idiot Boy deliberately sabotaging NAFTA for stupid political reasons- as I mentioned above !

Our idiot \boy has NO alternative plan- he has screwed us all for the sake of the illegal immigrants he prays will vote and keep him in power!

Here is an old article illustrating the arrogance of LIE-berals and offering a foretaste of the ENDLESS whining and DELUGE of fake news we can expect if LIE-berals lose another election:
Oh golly….we now have solid evidence that the list of Lie-beral `entitlements` is pretty much ENDLESS. There is nothing they will not claim as their own! They now claim ownership of the Cdn electoral system…..in the last federal election- they were punished for that three billion dollar adscam THEFT and so they moved from governing party to THIRD PLACE…..and they have been whining ever since that Harper STOLE the election from them….as if THEY owned it! Lie-berals are such arrogant pompous boobs that it would be inconceivable to them that Cdns are simply tired of their self serving bullsh+t……therefore (in their tiny minds- Mis-guided by swollen egos) Harper MUST have stolen `their` election!
Lie-berals also claim ownership of the truth-one has only to look at the online quote I saw that prompted this post originally in which a LIE-beral claimed: “Harper says the economy will correct itself”. Now, WE ALL KNOW it was Lie-beral Justin Trudope who said this…but arrogant Lie-berals have figured out it was a dumb thing (though typical) for Trudope to say and so they want to distance themselves from the DUMB comment by reorganizing `their` truth to reflect shame on Harper rather than letting the shame stay where it belongs with Trudope!
IN LIE-beral eyes the TRUTH can be presented as whatever Lie-berals say it is because they think they own it. In other words, it is not just Our idiot Boy Justin who likes the way Red “China gets things done”- that is another infamous idiot Boy quote! Many other LIE-berals CLEARLY are fond of the Communist habit of writing THEIR version of truth- the one involving FAKE NEWS and deletion of facts- and jailing anybody who disputes the Pary Line- withb LIE-berals now trying to silence their many critics by labeling them as “Islamophobes and calling that “hate crime” for criticizing FAILED LIE-beral policy! Joe Stalin WOULD APPROVE!)

(A political party that can maintain itself in power ONLY by silencing critics and eliminating free speech- as LIE-berals are seeking to do is one that must be swept from office as soon as possible!)
 

spilledthebeer

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Is there any point in not putting you on ignore?

No point what so ever! Yur LIE-berals are SUNK! Here is the future they have planned for us- following the European example:
Back in mid- October/2015 I predicted that if elected-Justin Trudope would perform a magic trick and make all our jobs and money disappear and lo and behold-I was correct! We have here a nice report from Fraser Institute explaining how well Our Brainless Boy is doing with his trick. And I have added some comments of my own in brackets):

What middle class tax cut? In reality, people will be paying more under the federal Liberals’ tax changes.

(Yes-PAYING MORE-without taking the series of THIRTY BILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS OUR Boy is planning to run-that WILL have to be paid for eventually!)

By Charles Lammam, Ben Eisen and Milagros Palacios

First posted: Saturday, July 09, 2016 07:16 PM EDT. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau (Postmedia Network files)

On the campaign trail, the Liberals promised to cut taxes for middle-class Canadians to ensure that “middle-class Canadians have money in their pockets to save, invest and grow the economy.”

Once elected, the Liberals did reduce the income tax rate on the second-lowest federal tax bracket from 22% to 20.5%. On its own, this tax relief would be welcome, especially since the average Canadian family currently pays more than 40% of its annual income in taxes.

However, since assuming power, the Liberals have also implemented or announced a host of tax hikes that will more than wipe out the benefits of the income tax cut. Far from leaving more “money in their pockets,” the federal government will actually reduce the take-home pay of middle-income Canadians.

(Apparently LIE-berals think that ALL their supporters are on the Sunshine List and thus earning well ABOVE middle class pay? Or maybe LIE-berals are CORRECT and ALL their supporters are above middle class pay rates thanks to their endless ENTITLEMENTS?)

The latest tax increase announced is the payroll tax hike that will be used to finance the expansion of the Canada Pension Plan (CPP).

Once fully implemented in 2025, the total CPP contribution rate (which is split notionally in half between employees and employers) will increase from the current rate of 9.9% to 11.9% of eligible earnings up to a maximum of $72,500.

In addition, earnings between $72,500 and $82,700 will also be subject to the CPP tax, albeit at a lower total rate of 8%.

(Yeah-the more money you make, the more likely you are to be a Hog and a LIE-beral friend and LIE-berals go easier on their ENTITLED friends!)

These changes represent a substantial tax increase that will more than wipe out the benefits of the recent income tax rate reduction for middle-income Canadians.

Consider, for example, someone with taxable income of $54,900— the current maximum earnings threshold for CPP contributions. The income tax rate reduction will reduce this person’s income tax by $144.

However, if we assume the CPP changes are fully implemented this year, that person will pay an additional $514 in CPP taxes. And this doesn’t account for the additional CPP taxes paid by the employer on his or her behalf (another $514).

(I point out that the more money taken out of the pockets of your boss, the harder it will be to get any sort of RAISE in pay in future! And what of all those people who live on commissions-sales people at all manner of retail outlets will be hurt as less people come through their doors! Ours is a service economy and the less money people have, the less services they buy and the economy slows-it seems obvious to any body but a LIE-beral that endless taxes and the gravy train are killing our economy!)

Yes, the federal government has said that additional contributions to the CPP will be tax-deductible for income tax purposes, so this worker would get some of their increased CPP contributions back by claiming a tax deduction.

But it’s clear that the net effect of these tax changes is a tax hike— not a reduction.

(And of course, that which govt gives-it can also TAKE AWAY-how long before the tax deduction fades and then disappears? And we should regard the offer of a tax reduction as simply a stupid sop to lull us that things wont get too bad! Until LIE-berals decide to really gouge us!)

Things look even worse for a Canadian with taxable income of $45,282 — the lowest income level of the tax bracket where the Liberal tax cut applies.

This person will receive no benefit from the income tax reduction but will have to pay $418 in additional CPP contributions ($836 including employer contributions).

Even for Canadians earning more, the outlook for tax relief doesn’t look good.

An individual with taxable income of $90,563 — the income level at which he or she receives the maximum amount of personal income tax relief from the Liberal income tax rate cut— will save $679 in income taxes.

But this person will pay an extra $821 in employee contributions to the CPP.

(Of course IF LIE-berals were really concerned with justice and balanced books they would IMMEDIATELY END that cosy deal that lets ALL civil service Hogs off the hook for paying the health `levy`. One employed Cdn in three works for govt and NONE of them pay that health levy! It’s a great deal for them and goes a long way towards explaining why govt is having a hard time PAYING the health care bills!)

Tax deductibility on new CPP contributions will provide this individual with some savings.

But once you factor in the $821 in employer contributions (the cost of which will be passed on to the employee through slower wage growth and/or a reduction in other benefits), even this higher-income Canadian won’t receive a tax cut on balance.

Finally, the CPP tax increase is just one of many tax increases imposed by the new federal government on middle-income Canadians.

The elimination of income splitting for couples with children, the cancellation of several widely used tax credits, and the reduction in annual TFSA contribution limits will potentially increase the tax burden for middle-income Canadians.

With all these tax hikes in mind, the net effect of recent tax changes is less money in the pockets of Canadians.

The campaigning Liberals promised to reduce the tax burden on Canada’s middle class. In office, they have failed to deliver.

(Isnt it SAD? Those stupid civil service Hogs put LIE-berals in power in exchange for promises of more gravy-but apparently sometimes LESS IS MORE! Its just the cost of doing business with LIE-berals! Just how greedy does a person have to be to drink the LIE-beral cool aid and BELIEVE? After all the FAILED promises?)

Lammam, Eisen and Palacios are analysts with the Fraser Institute www. fraser institute (dot) org
 

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China does not purchase manufactured products from Canada, you fool, they make their own.

The only thing China buys from Canada is resources, and for that we don't need trade agreements.

Only an idiot and every government in the last thirty years would think otherwise



Fixed that for ya.


Not sure why you think the others haven't sold us to China (and Brazil). Vale. Tim Hortons. All the Oil Patch companies. Etc Etc.


In case you were asleep, it's not a party policy, it's a Canadian policy.
 

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Yippie...

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Time for Canada to roll out the red carpet for China..

F*ck the USA and the Trumpatrds.. Canada needs a wall on our southern border to keep the yankee scum out.


Why do you present it as an either-or scenario? Yes, trade with China can benefit Canada, but restricting trade between Canada and the US will hurt it far more. Remember, it costs much less to ship a product between NYC and Montreal than between Vancouver and Shanghai for example.