NAFTA; Did Mexico throw Canada under the bus ?

Vbeacher

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Another anti-Canadian Eyeore. You really dislike your country so much?

Suggesting it was naive for Trudeau to put his faith in Mexican solidarity is not anti-Canadian. The US has long made it clear that it wanted a separate deal with Canada, and that its real target was Mexico. The Liberals refused, citing solidarity with Mexico and a series of idiotic progressive demands on unions, identity politics and climate change which were untenable from the start. If that backfires on them they'll be holding the can.
 

Hoid

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Suggesting Trudeau put his faith in Mexican solidarity is anti-Canadian.

See how that works?
 

Curious Cdn

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Suggesting it was naive for Trudeau to put his faith in Mexican solidarity is not anti-Canadian. The US has long made it clear that it wanted a separate deal with Canada, and that its real target was Mexico. The Liberals refused, citing solidarity with Mexico and a series of idiotic progressive demands on unions, identity politics and climate change which were untenable from the start. If that backfires on them they'll be holding the can.

There is no "end" yet. Trump's trade tirades are all subject to Congressional approval. I am no fan of Trudeau, believe you me but we're in this situation because Trump is a sick fukc who doesn't like any kind of multilateralism and doesn't listen to the better informed , not because Trudeau did anything. Trump, Trump, Trump ... It's all about Trump and this is yet another publicity stunt until Congress agrees to it.
 

Vbeacher

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There is no "end" yet. Trump's trade tirades are all subject to Congressional approval. I am no fan of Trudeau, believe you me but we're in this situation because Trump is a sick fukc who doesn't like any kind of multilateralism and doesn't listen to the better informed , not because Trudeau did anything. Trump, Trump, Trump ... It's all about Trump and this is yet another publicity stunt until Congress agrees to it.

Maybe. Or maybe we could have reached agreement with his negotiators separately and be done with it if the Liberals hadn't insisted on a progressive agenda and solidarity with Mexico. We'll find out soon.
 

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Maybe. Or maybe we could have reached agreement with his negotiators separately and be done with it if the Liberals hadn't insisted on a progressive agenda and solidarity with Mexico. We'll find out soon.

No you couldn't Trump controls the action, not common sense.

He's a whack job, in case you didn't notice.
 

Vbeacher

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No you couldn't Trump controls the action, not common sense.

He's a whack job, in case you didn't notice.

I noticed. On the other hand the sudden raise in stock price for Magna, Martinrea and Linamar (Canadian auto manufacturers) suggests a lot of people feel an agreement with Canada will now be just a formality, despite Trump's bluster.
 

Curious Cdn

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I noticed. On the other hand the sudden raise in stock price for Magna, Martinrea and Linamar (Canadian auto manufacturers) suggests a lot of people feel an agreement with Canada will now be just a formality, despite Trump's bluster.

Ford, GM, Chrysler stand to lose more than anyone. There are no "Canadian" cars and tariffs will price North American cars right out of the market. MAGA, my ass. He's bonkers.
 

Hoid

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The biggest obstacle to getting anything done vis a vis America is the current president who is a liar and politically inept.

He cannot get anything done.
 

Curious Cdn

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The biggest obstacle to getting anything done vis a vis America is the current president who is a liar and politically inept.

He cannot get anything done.

... almost nothing. You can't get things done in Washington by being a dictating monarch. You have to be a wheeler-dealer and Trump is too used to being the Sole Proprietor, not the Chairman of a committee.

Walter is another Quisling who loves Trump but hates his country. Where do these assholes come from and why don't we run them out of our country?
 
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Lots of TDS in this thread. Prog heads exploding cuz Trump got a good deal done for both Mexico and the US. Let’s hope Turdoh is smart enough to get a good deal for Canada. MAGA
 

Hoid

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Note that the Trump deal is good prior to even hearing what it is?
 

captain morgan

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Trump: NAFTA trade agreement with Mexico 'looking good'

Just reported deal is done with Mexico, Canada will now have to follow the blue print laid out

I'll believe it when I hear the Mexican officials confirm that it is done.

On that note, Canada is now in the position to either accept, reject or modify the deal to suit its liking if the US and Mexico want a 3-way arrangement.

This is not a bad outcome for Canada at all
 

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I'll believe it when I hear the Mexican officials confirm that it is done.

On that note, Canada is now in the position to either accept, reject or modify the deal to suit its liking if the US and Mexico want a 3-way arrangement.

This is not a bad outcome for Canada at all

Mexican President was in on the press conference via phone proclaiming the deal is done now to include Canada.

Canadian officials changing their tune a bit by saying the deal has to be good for the middle class when they get included
 

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This was inevitable. A world of economic nationalism and flexible, bilateral trade agreements founded on the best interests of both parties in developing sovereign, national, integrated, industrustrial economies presents more opportunities than threats for Canada. But we need someone with strength and vision to stand up for Canada. That flapping flowerchild adrift in his global Woodstock, Justin, will simply get stomped on by Trump.
 
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Hoid

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there have been negotiations going on for months and months.

of note the new deal is said to have a 16 year review framework.

so the Americans gave up on the 5 year sunset clause
 

captain morgan

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Mexican President was in on the press conference via phone proclaiming the deal is done now to include Canada.

Ummm, kinda presumptive statement considering that no one has seen the deal yet, let alone if it's anywhere close to where Canada wants to be.

Canucks stand in a good position right now


Canadian officials changing their tune a bit by saying the deal has to be good for the middle class when they get included

Justine must be getting pretty desperate if he's already trying to invoke the best interests of the middle class. Hell, the election is still a fair ways off
 

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9 million American jobs depend on Canada.

That is all you need go know to understand why these negotiations are just bullshit. All they want to do is get rid of the name NAFTA - because it is a Clinton legacy thing.