Muslims torch KFC

[tracy]

Also, her age is somewhat in dispute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
Young marriage age controversy
The age of Aisha at marriage is an extremely contentious issue. On the one hand, there are several hadiths which are said to have been narrated by Aisha herself, which claim that she was six or seven years old when betrothed and nine when the marriage was consummated. On the other hand, calculations based on information found in an early Muslim chronicler, Ibn Ishaq, indicate that Aisha was at least fourteen to sixteen years old, thus past the age of puberty. Other hadiths suggest that Aisha may have been nineteen or twenty years old when she married.

 

[DasFX]

Perhaps people should just get real and stop reacting to these perceived insults.

I a person wants to draw an Arab dude with a Turban bomb, let him. What is the harm? I saw the cartoon, I was not swayed into thinking that all Muslims are terrorists.

If someone wants to publich a brochure that the Holocaust never happened, let them. Saying that it never happened doesn't make it true. What is the real harm?

Just because you restict these messages doesn't mean that they aren't being spread or the people spreading them don't think they are true.

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Muslims torch KFC

Again times were different, I'm certainly not advocating child brides. But, his first wife was a businesswoman (and his boss). Aisha commanded troops in battle. That's more than American and Canadian women can do today. Women were given rights under Islam that Christian women wouldn't get for hundreds of years. Muslims who ignore that should be much more offensive than a cartoon.

Except that today in Iran it is legal to marry a 9 year old girl, most likely because of the above. Islam is all about being stagnent and never changing.

I think it's unlikely that Aisha is the reason for this. Iranians are of the Shia sect, not Sunni. Shiites generally see Aisha as a sinner because she fought against Ali, who they considered to be the rightful caliph after the prophets death.

It was almost always legal to marry a girl once she reached puberty in those cultures. That makes it sound like more of a cultural issue than a religious one. Child brides are common in many cultures sadly.

I would argue that all religions are about being stagnant since they all hold their holy book to be the ultimate truth. If the Bible/Koran/whatever is perfect, then change is imperfect. You should still be stoning people for working on the Sabbath if you're a true Christian.

 

[Toro]

I think people are mis-perceiving this whole torching KFCs and such. What's really happening is that they're becoming much more health conscious in Pakistan, and they're worried about heart disease and high cholesterol. So, since they're a bit excitable over in that part of the world, they've taken things into their own hands to improve the health of local citizens!

Can't blame them for that, can you?

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Muslims torch KFC

Child brides are common in many cultures sadly.

Why is it really sad? I mean who are we to dictate that other cultural practices are incorrect? In the West, we preceive and do things differently, but does that necessarily mean they are better?

The truth is we can't hold Canada's values and standards to the rest of the world. If we start criticizing other cultures than we should be open to those who wish to criticize us.

Canadian society is anything but utopic, there are huge issues here.

 

[tracy]

Re: RE: Muslims torch KFC

Child brides are common in many cultures sadly.

Why is it really sad? I mean who are we to dictate that other cultural practices are incorrect? In the West, we preceive and do things differently, but does that necessarily mean they are better?

The truth is we can't hold Canada's values and standards to the rest of the world. If we start criticizing other cultures than we should be open to those who wish to criticize us.

Canadian society is anything but utopic, there are huge issues here.

Some things are cultural and have little absolute judgements attached to them (like style of dress). Some things are universal, especially when it comes to the human body. It's foolish to ignore that. For health reasons alone it is bad for a girl to marry and get pregnant before she is through puberty. Infant and maternal mortality rates are MUCH higher in those cases. Whether you think it's morally acceptable to marry a 10 year old in certain cultures is your business, but the physical results can't possibly be seen as anything but negative. An 11 year old's body isn't prepared for childbearing. Trust me, I've seen it (in Canada).

 

[iamcanadian]

People eating beef is not the same as insulting a religion.

If someone had make cartoons of Jews and Nazis dancing together, it would have created similar condemnations and people getting arrested for inciting hatred.

No difference...

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Muslims torch KFC

If someone had make cartoons of Jews and Nazis dancing together, it would have created similar condemnations and people getting arrested for inciting hatred.

True, but is it right? How does a cartoon with Nazis and Jews promote hatred? How can a simple cartoon make so-called intelligent homo-sapiens hate?

If there was a cartoon where you saw some Jews were in the gas chamber pressed against the window trying to get out whilst Nazi SS officers laughing outside was drawn, would it be hateful?

It definitely wouldn't be funny and it would most likely make some uncomfortable, but it wouldn't be inciting hate. If there was a tag line advocating gassing Jews, then that would be hateful, but the cartoon itself wouldn't.

Same with if I saw a cartoon with some KKK and their burning cross, whilst attacking a black man. Not hateful on its own. But a tag line advocating such behaviour would be.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Muslims torch KFC

People eating beef is not the same as insulting a religion.

It's not insulting from your perspective; Beef book sparks Hindu protest

If someone had make cartoons of Jews and Nazis dancing together, it would have created similar condemnations and people getting arrested for inciting hatred.

Cartoons of the like have been published repeatedly.

No difference...

The difference is burning down buildings and protesting peacefully

 

[iamcanadian]

I'm going out to get some KFC for dinner before it gets torched.

 

[missile]

Good idea Any fool knows that torching the chicken ruins the flavour..it's the pressure cookers [and the 11 secret herbs 7 spices that make KFC so tasty!]

 

[neallo]

i think we should protest the protesters, they are using the cartoons as an excuse to burn western buldings. i find it funny that we are supposed to try to understand islam, yet they are not trying to understand us. i would also like to know 2 things. 1 has any "moderate imam gone to afganistan to try and show them the western way of being tolerante. and my other question is, has any cleric been a suicide bomber?

until proven otherwise, i guess i'm an islamophobe. they have yet to show me they want to work with the world, but i guess its against their religion to do so seeing as how its their duty to conquer the world in the name of islam

 

[neallo]

I'm going out to get some KFC for dinner before it gets torched.

lmao, it hurts

 

[Sassylassie]

KFC also know as Kentucy yukky. These protest are starting to look like staged rallies against The West, they have beated the cow enough--it's dead.

 

[Jersay]

i think we should protest the protesters, they are using the cartoons as an excuse to burn western buldings. i find it funny that we are supposed to try to understand islam, yet they are not trying to understand us. i would also like to know 2 things. 1 has any "moderate imam gone to afganistan to try and show them the western way of being tolerante. and my other question is, has any cleric been a suicide bomber?

until proven otherwise, i guess i'm an islamophobe. they have yet to show me they want to work with the world, but i guess its against their religion to do so seeing as how its their duty to conquer the world in the name of islam

That's Christianity that wants to conquer the world, ever heard of colonialism, that was christians for you.

 

[iamcanadian]

I think this all was in protest for dropping the Hot Wings from the menu. I almost torched the place myself when I went the other day and found out.

 

[I think not]

That's Christianity that wants to conquer the world, ever heard of colonialism, that was christians for you.

If Christianity wants to conquer the world they are doing a very lousy job of it, you think they would have made more headway after 2000 years.

 

[Jersay]

If Christianity wants to conquer the world they are doing a very lousy job of it, you think they would have made more headway after 2000 years.

Colonialism. Most of Africa, Asia the American continent pushing as many people as they could out of their way.

The most glorious Islamic empire on the other hand was benevolent, respected its minorities, their Jewish and Christian minorities and other religious minorities as well until it was highjacked by ultra-nationalists and that was the Ottoman empire.

 

[The Gunslinger]

Imperial ambitions have nothing to do with conquering the world. 90% of it was economics and national pride. Virtually nothing was done just to enslave the natives and force Christianity on them.

 

[Jersay]

Imperial ambitions have nothing to do with conquering the world. 90% of it was economics and national pride. Virtually nothing was done just to enslave the natives and force Christianity on them.

The what about White Mans burden my friend.

Saying that the native people were incapable of governing themselves and only christians could save them.

Looking at the economic perspective is limiting yourself. about 50% of the reason for colonialism was to convert.