Muslims in Australia Are Warned
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Hopefully, Muslims in Australia will weather the storm. Much like they are in Canada. If they don't chaos will ensue. Not only will Muslims then be targets but all of the gigantic multicultural industry that has burrowed deep into the body politic there and here will fear for its members safety.
Let's hope saner heads prevail.
Let's hope saner heads prevail.
RE: Muslims in Australia
Muslims are condemning terrorism, at least in Canada and the U.S....I'm not sure about Australia, but I imagine there are many speaking out against it. This is more than I expect from moderate muslims, they are not the ones commiting terrorism. Why should they have to speak out against terrorism any more than anyone else, just because they share the same religion as a few people who do commit terrorism?
Muslims are condemning terrorism, at least in Canada and the U.S....I'm not sure about Australia, but I imagine there are many speaking out against it. This is more than I expect from moderate muslims, they are not the ones commiting terrorism. Why should they have to speak out against terrorism any more than anyone else, just because they share the same religion as a few people who do commit terrorism?
I kind of feel the same way. I don't apologize for or condemn white people who do bad things, but I do agree that muslims in Australia should integrate into their adopted country.
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Yes we do apologize for and condemn bad things white people do, when they do it in the name of white people - i.e. white supremecists. Of course Muslims don't need to apologize for every Muslim who shoplifts or holds up a bank or cheats on his taxes. But Muslims who claim to be killing in the name of Allah, need to be confronted by the worshippers of Allah, just as we confront the racism of white supremacy. Otherwise, we have no choice but to conclude that those who claim to commit acts of terror in the name of Allah are sanctioned by Islam at large, and do in fact represent Muslims.
tracy said:
Yes we do apologize for and condemn bad things white people do, when they do it in the name of white people - i.e. white supremecists. Of course Muslims don't need to apologize for every Muslim who shoplifts or holds up a bank or cheats on his taxes. But Muslims who claim to be killing in the name of Allah, need to be confronted by the worshippers of Allah, just as we confront the racism of white supremacy. Otherwise, we have no choice but to conclude that those who claim to commit acts of terror in the name of Allah are sanctioned by Islam at large, and do in fact represent Muslims.
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I've never felt the need to denounce a white supremacist or preach against racism. I just think it goes without saying. I don't see why a muslim should be held to a different standard.
Plus, I really don't know that it's fair to say they don't condemn these things in their houses of worship. I don't go to mosque. The fact that the vast majority of muslims live peacefully would make me think that terrorism isn't encouraged by Islam at large.
Just the Facts said:
I've never felt the need to denounce a white supremacist or preach against racism. I just think it goes without saying. I don't see why a muslim should be held to a different standard.
Plus, I really don't know that it's fair to say they don't condemn these things in their houses of worship. I don't go to mosque. The fact that the vast majority of muslims live peacefully would make me think that terrorism isn't encouraged by Islam at large.
In Canada and the U.S. for th e most part they do condemn the terrorists, but the same thing can't be said everywhere. I think if it would help the situation, and it wouldnt hurt at all, that high ranking muslim leaders everywhere should denounce it if they get the chance. Because there are still some out there that do support these people, in our midst, and think their cause is just.
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Hmmm... maybe because he was addressing a Muslim conference?
For him to be addressing Christian issues at a Muslim conference would be like Bush addressing Austrian issues at an Australian conference.
Zzarchov said:
Hmmm... maybe because he was addressing a Muslim conference?
For him to be addressing Christian issues at a Muslim conference would be like Bush addressing Austrian issues at an Australian conference.
Another issue I have with Muslims is the power given to their scholars.
Check http://www.shiachat.com/
Interesting site overall, but if you visit their 'Islamic law and jurisprudence' section if I remember the title correctly, it's starts off with a warning that people ought to consult with their scholar or Marjas, etc.
Well, if Muslims have given away their right to read and try to understand the Qur'an and Ahadith for themselves, and instead turn to a 'scholar' to do their thinking for them, that puts a tremendous amount of power in the hands of a few, Now if those scholars happen to be of the fanatical kind... oops! that's lots of souls under their command!
I'd say they need a protestant-like reformation whereby they translate teh Qur'an into the vernacular and allow the Muslims to read it for themselves and understand it for themselves. Then saner minds might prevail.
Check http://www.shiachat.com/
Interesting site overall, but if you visit their 'Islamic law and jurisprudence' section if I remember the title correctly, it's starts off with a warning that people ought to consult with their scholar or Marjas, etc.
Well, if Muslims have given away their right to read and try to understand the Qur'an and Ahadith for themselves, and instead turn to a 'scholar' to do their thinking for them, that puts a tremendous amount of power in the hands of a few, Now if those scholars happen to be of the fanatical kind... oops! that's lots of souls under their command!
I'd say they need a protestant-like reformation whereby they translate teh Qur'an into the vernacular and allow the Muslims to read it for themselves and understand it for themselves. Then saner minds might prevail.
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I don't know what Canada does but in the U.S. White Supremicists are primarily a joke in the media - showing them as buffoons, and in film - they are depicted as even more ridiculous and ugly people.
I have yet to see anyone who denounces other races regarded as sensible or sane. They appear to be retarded by choice, certainly not packing much brain power around with them.
There is far too much ugly history from White Supremicism which cannot be condoned or ignored. If there are still groups functioning, they are generally more quiet and isolated.
Besides their outfits are a hoot if they can be coerced into wearing those strange sheet things, and the hats... well..... oops....
The more dangerous White Supremicists are those who parade around with the ten pound bible and a gang of helpers preaching the "Word" whatever that means. They were expensive suits, have expensive bling in the way of jewellery or chains and slide by under the wire of borderline
disordered. They are still considered by most - a joke.
I have had dealings on U.S. forum with five different racists and while they have their speeches and rhetoric down pat - they crumble if one can continue to dig away at their belief....ending up as empty people with not much within.
I regard the mad Islamic fanatics along the same lines.
All is equal in our world - the good and the bad and the ugly.
Just the Facts said:
I don't know what Canada does but in the U.S. White Supremicists are primarily a joke in the media - showing them as buffoons, and in film - they are depicted as even more ridiculous and ugly people.
I have yet to see anyone who denounces other races regarded as sensible or sane. They appear to be retarded by choice, certainly not packing much brain power around with them.
There is far too much ugly history from White Supremicism which cannot be condoned or ignored. If there are still groups functioning, they are generally more quiet and isolated.
Besides their outfits are a hoot if they can be coerced into wearing those strange sheet things, and the hats... well..... oops....
The more dangerous White Supremicists are those who parade around with the ten pound bible and a gang of helpers preaching the "Word" whatever that means. They were expensive suits, have expensive bling in the way of jewellery or chains and slide by under the wire of borderline
disordered. They are still considered by most - a joke.
I have had dealings on U.S. forum with five different racists and while they have their speeches and rhetoric down pat - they crumble if one can continue to dig away at their belief....ending up as empty people with not much within.
I regard the mad Islamic fanatics along the same lines.
All is equal in our world - the good and the bad and the ugly.
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I mean EVER, you ever head GW Bush apologize for the "Army of God" nutball who admitted to mailing anthrax to US senators who were for abortion?
Or any Australian offical?
Of course not, and why should they. I don't believe in group punishment. Thats the kind of behaviour that leads to things like pogroms
Machjo said:
I mean EVER, you ever head GW Bush apologize for the "Army of God" nutball who admitted to mailing anthrax to US senators who were for abortion?
Or any Australian offical?
Of course not, and why should they. I don't believe in group punishment. Thats the kind of behaviour that leads to things like pogroms
Wednesday's Child said:
Howard governement should be ashame of themselves, they support a policy that kills muslim by the thousands, and on top of it, based on a lie, they should at least present some apologies to those imams, like this
"hey we are sorry to be such arrogant preak, that we have killed so many muslim in this so called "war on terror", withouth even showing you a little evidence on it , again sorry, hopefully the future, will be more peaceful"
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We mock them, ridicule them, confront them, and at times even prosecute them.
gc said:
We mock them, ridicule them, confront them, and at times even prosecute them.
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Do you personally mock & ridicule them? Do others you know do the same? Do you do so in private or in public, or both? How does that compare with how muslims are condemning terrorism? Have you ever issued a press release condemning white supremacy? Ever started your own organization & website to condemn white supremacy? How can you ask others to condemn terrorism more than they are, when many of them are already doing much more to condemn terrorism than most white people are doing to condemn white supremacy?
Lots of good Links
CBS
BBC
Muslims against terrorism
Muslims against terrorism
Fox News
I'm sure there's probably a lot of websites condemning white supremacy too...but let's just say that it was much easier to find websites where muslims were condemning terrorism on google than it was to find websites condemning white supremacy.
Terrorists are also prosecuted....or tortured.
Just the Facts said:
Do you personally mock & ridicule them? Do others you know do the same? Do you do so in private or in public, or both? How does that compare with how muslims are condemning terrorism? Have you ever issued a press release condemning white supremacy? Ever started your own organization & website to condemn white supremacy? How can you ask others to condemn terrorism more than they are, when many of them are already doing much more to condemn terrorism than most white people are doing to condemn white supremacy?
Lots of good Links
CBS
BBC
Muslims against terrorism
Muslims against terrorism
Fox News
I'm sure there's probably a lot of websites condemning white supremacy too...but let's just say that it was much easier to find websites where muslims were condemning terrorism on google than it was to find websites condemning white supremacy.
Terrorists are also prosecuted....or tortured.