Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

[Hank C]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

We should not, however, have the right to "dispel undesirables" en masse, in my opinion. For the Government of Canada to spontaneously rule that each and every Muslim is a threat to Canada, or is undesirable and, therefore should be deported and deemed ineligible for citizenship or residence would be unacceptable, un-Canadian, and inhumane.

Thats not going to happen though...relax

we just want the screening process for muslim immigrants more rigurous....and the means to deport the undesirables more swift.

 

[Machjo]

The Koran is not the only source, but rather the whole
heritage of interpretations and writings and behaviors
that surround the Koran, but the Koran is NOT the
ONLY source of ISLAM.

Technically, the only cannonical sources of Islam are the Qur'an and the ahadith of Muhammad and the twelve Holy Imams.

The problem of course is that Islam has become so steeped in superstitions and Arab and Persian traditions that it has become extremely difficult for a person not well-versed in these books to tell them apart. And needless to say that the lack of responsibility on the part of Muslims to read their own sacred texts in a language they understand, and to think about what they read for themselves has given imams much more power than many can immagine. I've seen it with my own eyes. They will ask their imam every question under the sun and follow his advice as if God himself had jsut spoken. And in my opinion such power in the hands of the ecclesiastics of their faith is one of the things which has made Islam so dangerous.

But then the question becomes, how to wrestle that power from the hands of those who have chosen to highjack Islam, and give it back to the Muslims themselves?

 

[FiveParadox]

Hank C, we should be aware that the Supreme Court of Canada would not "look kindly" upon screening Muslims more rigorously in particular, if such a thing were ever to be challenged; I would assert that we must either increase security in terms of immigration screening for everyone, or not at all.

 

[Freethinker]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

Hank C, we should be aware that the Supreme Court of Canada would not "look kindly" upon screening Muslims more rigorously in particular, if such a thing were ever to be challenged; I would assert that we must either increase security in terms of immigration screening for everyone, or not at all.

Then it is time to update the constitution to recognize the threats of the world we live in today. People like the Khadr family never should have been admitted to this country.

In matters of security any country has to have the right to apply resources in a targetted manner. To do otherwise should be a deriliction of duty.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

We should not, however, have the right to "dispel undesirables" en masse, in my opinion. For the Government of Canada to spontaneously rule that each and every Muslim is a threat to Canada, or is undesirable and, therefore should be deported and deemed ineligible for citizenship or residence would be unacceptable, un-Canadian, and inhumane.

You have a point of course, but we sure don't need to be drawing in any more immigrants from predominately Muslim countries. To continue to do so would be folly.

 

[DasFX]

I cannot see the Euro nations deporting the Muslims, but they will most definetely become more selective in who they let in.

It is their country, they can do what they want.

 

[DasFX]

You can understand why European nations don't want their population to become more and more Muslim.

If Canada's Muslim population ever became the majority, this country wouldn't be a country that I would want to live in. I have nothing against Muslims, but I don't want to live in a Muslim nation. Should Canada ensure that this never happens? I say yes, just as I'm sure Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Pakistan and so on will always ensure that they reamin Islamic nations.

 

[FiveParadox]

It is incredible how members of this forum would stand up and scream for the right to the freedom of expression, and yet in the same breath advocate for immigration-related descrimination; you cannot have rights and freedoms both ways. Now we are entering the field of equality rights; are Muslim-Canadians to continue to be deemed equal, or are we going to do as some here would suggest, and deem them to be second-class citizens?

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

It is incredible how members of this forum would stand up and scream for the right to the freedom of expression, and yet in the same breath advocate for immigration-related descrimination; you cannot have rights and freedoms both ways. Now we are entering the field of equality rights; are Muslim-Canadians to continue to be deemed equal, or are we going to do as some here would suggest, and deem them to be second-class citizens?

There isn't anything you can do about current immigrants that are already Canadian citizens....but there's lots you can do about selecting future immigrants.

 

[FiveParadox]

And what sort of message would that send to the world? That Canada, one of the safest refuges for people abroad, is now becoming more selective because some nutjobs across the ocean are having a temper tantrum? I would assert that to do so would be entirely unacceptable. We need to address this issue, not run away from it; there are Muslim organizations in not only Canada, but in other nations I am sure, who have denounced terrorism, and denounced these extremist Muslims — unfortunately, the mainstream media seems to have chosen to "skip over" those particular parts of the story. Why don't they use their freedom of speech for that?

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

It is incredible how members of this forum would stand up and scream for the right to the freedom of expression, and yet in the same breath advocate for immigration-related descrimination; you cannot have rights and freedoms both ways. Now we are entering the field of equality rights; are Muslim-Canadians to continue to be deemed equal, or are we going to do as some here would suggest, and deem them to be second-class citizens?

I am in favour of retaing the very essence of the country; how it is done is irrelevant to me. Canada shouldn't outright discriminate against a certain group, but it should be more selective. We should get people who will help build Canada, not destroy it or change it.

 

[FiveParadox]

DasFX, on that point I would agree with you most wholeheartedly — anyone immigrating to Canada should be considered on the basis of how they can improve this nation (notwithstanding refugee immigration, which is an entirely different concept). However, we must ensure, in my opinion, that we are doing so evenly across the board — we should not be considering any Muslim immigrant more carefully than we would any other.

In my opinion, it's all or nothing.

I see nothing wrong with increasing our scrutiny of immigrants, so long as we do so evenly, fairly and in keeping with the spirit of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

And what sort of message would that send to the world? That Canada, one of the safest refuges for people abroad, is now becoming more selective because some nutjobs across the ocean are having a temper tantrum?

The message would be "sorry but your people are a security risk, find another country to move to if your so desperate to leave".

We have a country to protect. I know that isn't high on the list of things liberals consider, but it still has to be done.

There are lots and lots of other countries to draw immigrants from....

 

[Freethinker]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

It is incredible how members of this forum would stand up and scream for the right to the freedom of expression, and yet in the same breath advocate for immigration-related descrimination; you cannot have rights and freedoms both ways. Now we are entering the field of equality rights; are Muslim-Canadians to continue to be deemed equal, or are we going to do as some here would suggest, and deem them to be second-class citizens?

There is zero logic in that statement. We want to keep the terrorists and extremists out precisely so we can maintain our freedoms.

It is just plain brain dead to spend the same resources background checking a grandmother from Sweden as a 25 year old man from Lebanon where 73% of the Muslim population supports suicide bombing. When bombing support is essentially 0% among Swedish Grannies.

Ever hear of something called risk analysis?? A decision matrix.

It is absolutely moronic to treat everyone exactly the same when trying to maintain security.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

In my opinion, it's all or nothing.

Excellent! Shall I call them and tell them to stop, or are you going to?

 

[FiveParadox]

How dare you suggest that as a "liberal" I do not care about the defense of this country. Your arrogance is astounding! Yes, defense is important — however, so are our principles. I am not prepared to start turning people away because their religion of all things is "undesirable." To do so would be entirely unacceptable!

We would be sacrificing freedom of religion, for the freedom of speech — I am not prepared to make a trade-off. We need to find a balance.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

How dare you suggest that as a "liberal" I do not care about the defense of this country. Your arrogance is astounding! Yes, defense is important — however, so are our principles. I am not prepared to start turning people away because their religion of all things is "undesirable." To do so would be entirely unacceptable!

If defense is so important to liberals, then why did you guys destroy the military and turn a very respectable military into the laughing stock of the western world?

We would be sacrificing freedom of religion, for the freedom of speech — I am not prepared to make a trade-off. We need to find a balance.

You're missing a major point..... People in foreign countries aren't protected under the Charter.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

we should not be considering any Muslim immigrant more carefully than we would any other.

Hey, if Muslims give the world a reason to scrutinize them more closely, then we must do so. I know all too well about being double-checked. I'm of Indian background so because of the colour of my skin, I get special treatment at the airport, the border and so on. Does it bother me? Absolutely not!

If a buch of brown folk have been flying planes into buildings and as such they are checking all brown folk more closely, then so be it. In the end, my safety is increased. If you have nothing to hide and are co-operative, there are no problems.

So go ahead US customs, ask me 25 questions about every facet of my life, and ask only one to my Caucasian wife. I don't care.

By the way, the one question my wife got was "Miss, are you traveling with this man of your own free will?" I thought that was pretty funny.

If you're out looking for terrorist and recently and all the recent terrorist have been Muslims, are you really going to give the once over to the Buddhist monk?

 

[Jay]

"By the way, the one question my wife got was "Miss, are you traveling with this man of your own free will?" I thought that was pretty funny."


:lol:


What did she say?

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe

"By the way, the one question my wife got was "Miss, are you traveling with this man of your own free will?" I thought that was pretty funny."


:lol:


What did she say?

Well, at first she was kind of shocked that they asked, but said yes. We weren't married at the time so it could have been big trouble for me. I was extra nice to her that trip, but went back to being regular nice once we crossed back into Canada.