Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe
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Jay, why would you expect me to take responsibility for the actions of "liberals?" I am not a representative of the ideology. If I intend to become one, then I will run for office. But when I do, will inform, you, and then you can flame me.
An old lady past 85 deserves less scrutiny
than a young man in his 20s coming from Libya,
or Egypt or Arabia.
If you want the old lady to take her shoes off at the
airport and let the 20 year old Iranian walk by without
doing so in the name of tolerance, liberty and
fraternity, than you are also doing so in the name
of stupidity.
If that Iranian laughs to himself at you, you'll see why.
Tolerance is not automatically wise, if done without
thinking, without understanding.
Nor is anger.
Nor is any emotion made better without cogitating.
This is why we do have judges.
For no law can ever
stipulate to every possible situation
And so we hope our Judges weigh the matter, guided
by the law, but not chained stupidly to the most
shallow juvenile interpretation of it.
Fairness does not mean equality.
To be fair to each person requires treating each person
slightly differently according to the situation and the character
of the person, leavened by an understanding.
You see this at work all the time, and one size fits all is
rarely fair to anyone.
And so don't let that 85 year old lady ever catch you
ignoring a younger muslim from a foreign land, because
she's gonna wack you with her purse
over your juvenile head ----BECAUSE SHE SHOULD.
than a young man in his 20s coming from Libya,
or Egypt or Arabia.
If you want the old lady to take her shoes off at the
airport and let the 20 year old Iranian walk by without
doing so in the name of tolerance, liberty and
fraternity, than you are also doing so in the name
of stupidity.
If that Iranian laughs to himself at you, you'll see why.
Tolerance is not automatically wise, if done without
thinking, without understanding.
Nor is anger.
Nor is any emotion made better without cogitating.
This is why we do have judges.
For no law can ever
stipulate to every possible situation
And so we hope our Judges weigh the matter, guided
by the law, but not chained stupidly to the most
shallow juvenile interpretation of it.
Fairness does not mean equality.
To be fair to each person requires treating each person
slightly differently according to the situation and the character
of the person, leavened by an understanding.
You see this at work all the time, and one size fits all is
rarely fair to anyone.
And so don't let that 85 year old lady ever catch you
ignoring a younger muslim from a foreign land, because
she's gonna wack you with her purse
over your juvenile head ----BECAUSE SHE SHOULD.
Hey FiveParadox, being called a liberal is better than
an 85 year old lady wacking you up side the head.
Embrace the label. It really doesn't hurt, nor matter.
We like your thoughtfulness and sincerety.
Hold your head up.
Hold your head up.
Hold your head up.
High !!!!
an 85 year old lady wacking you up side the head.
Embrace the label. It really doesn't hurt, nor matter.
We like your thoughtfulness and sincerety.
Hold your head up.
Hold your head up.
Hold your head up.
High !!!!
Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe
Oh please, enough with the clishes already.
Jay said:
Oh please, enough with the clishes already.
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Machjo; what you have written (my opnion) is spot on correct and written without under lying racism or malice. Regarding an education, To teach a Religion in a language you can't read, why? it sounds like brain washing to me. I too believe that the Imans have to much power regarding their interpretations of the Koran. The Imans and their preachings should be monitored and if their message is violence, terrorism, racists etc. out of Canada you go. They should be deported by Air Drop high over the Artic, they can rant, preach and stir up the Polar Bears. Sending them back to their countries of origin shouldn't be an option they are an equal threat from there.
Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe
ummm, we are not talking about Canadian citizens here. We (the taxpayer) are talking about rigourously screening a certain group of "high risk" people for the safety of Canadian citizens (for whom the charter is meant to protect). This way we ensure the right people are entering Canada and will not be forced to screen them once they are citizens. FiveParadox the Charter of Rights is for Canadian citizens, once you realize that it will be easier to understand the reasoning behind most people on this thread.
FiveParadox said:
ummm, we are not talking about Canadian citizens here. We (the taxpayer) are talking about rigourously screening a certain group of "high risk" people for the safety of Canadian citizens (for whom the charter is meant to protect). This way we ensure the right people are entering Canada and will not be forced to screen them once they are citizens. FiveParadox the Charter of Rights is for Canadian citizens, once you realize that it will be easier to understand the reasoning behind most people on this thread.
Hank is right, when someone comes into Canada and wants to stay it's called Landed Immigrant Status. Then this individual will go through the system to see if they meet the standards to become a Canadian. A deep, very deep- back ground check hopefully takes place?
RE: Muslim immigrants wil
Crickey, a right hornets nest has been stirred up here, I know quite a few people who follow islam, great people, I mean really, this is just the minority (as my Algerian friend said to me "dont be a doo-doo!!...it's a bunch of crazy's, you cant help the way people live" - excuse him, he slightly resembles a sargent in the desert foreign legion and his grasp of english isnt great).
But seriously, although I get annoyed with the people who do this, and trust me, it makes me REALLY mad, you have to realise it's a small minority, I really think a lot of the people asked didnt really expect sharia law to be introduced, but that the government should be tougher.
Besides, another friend, a friend of mine from Dubai who lectures at my college and works part time with me hooked me up with a great many friends in toronto, they got me settled, took me out for meals, showed me around and didnt ask for anything in return, for that i thank Malik a great deal, just an example of the fact that you cant generalise like for example "banning all muslims from entering your country", it's not right, seriously I could go on and on with the many good people I know who follow islam.
but that doesnt stop me from being annoyed at these people who treat their religion as an excuse to kill people they either dont like or dont understand.
Crickey, a right hornets nest has been stirred up here, I know quite a few people who follow islam, great people, I mean really, this is just the minority (as my Algerian friend said to me "dont be a doo-doo!!...it's a bunch of crazy's, you cant help the way people live" - excuse him, he slightly resembles a sargent in the desert foreign legion and his grasp of english isnt great).
But seriously, although I get annoyed with the people who do this, and trust me, it makes me REALLY mad, you have to realise it's a small minority, I really think a lot of the people asked didnt really expect sharia law to be introduced, but that the government should be tougher.
Besides, another friend, a friend of mine from Dubai who lectures at my college and works part time with me hooked me up with a great many friends in toronto, they got me settled, took me out for meals, showed me around and didnt ask for anything in return, for that i thank Malik a great deal, just an example of the fact that you cant generalise like for example "banning all muslims from entering your country", it's not right, seriously I could go on and on with the many good people I know who follow islam.
but that doesnt stop me from being annoyed at these people who treat their religion as an excuse to kill people they either dont like or dont understand.
You're right. I've had many very good Muslim friends too. It's just a shame how Islam as a beautiful religion has degenerated so much.
Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe
Yes we should. I'm tired of explaining this to people, but here you go. Moving away from Muslims for a moment, I'll give you an example:
You are a security guard or a member of a police force charged with protecting an arena. Inside the arena, a speaker is giving a talk on racial equality and human rights. Your force has learned that a radical White Nationalist group has plans to kill this speaker, and you are on alert to stop potential attackers. Now, since you are highly outnumbered by the crowds entering the arena, you cannot possibly search them all; you need to use your judgement when choosing who to scrutinize more closely. Now, a you see a group approaching your checkpoint, including,
- A party of Black men.
-The ever popular Swedish Granny.
- A pair of Chinese girls.
- Three young white males, with shaven heads and tattoos.
Who do you choose?
If you do not take those young white men aside, you deserve to lose your job. You are obviously a very stupid, very incompetent cop! Even if they just happen to look like Skinheads, they are more likely to belong to that group than the chinese girls.
It's the same with immigration offices and airports. If security is alerted to the possibility that a Muslim extremist operative is trying to slip through, they will be on the lookout for a Young Arab Male. Because history has proven that they are the most likely suspects! To hell with their feelings, this is serious business!
Anyhoo, that was a tad long-winded, but I hope I've made my point. Muslim immigrants should be checked more thoroughly than other groups, because the individuals who mean our country and people harm usually come from that group. Self-defense is not crime, Paradox.
FiveParadox said:
Yes we should. I'm tired of explaining this to people, but here you go. Moving away from Muslims for a moment, I'll give you an example:
You are a security guard or a member of a police force charged with protecting an arena. Inside the arena, a speaker is giving a talk on racial equality and human rights. Your force has learned that a radical White Nationalist group has plans to kill this speaker, and you are on alert to stop potential attackers. Now, since you are highly outnumbered by the crowds entering the arena, you cannot possibly search them all; you need to use your judgement when choosing who to scrutinize more closely. Now, a you see a group approaching your checkpoint, including,
- A party of Black men.
-The ever popular Swedish Granny.
- A pair of Chinese girls.
- Three young white males, with shaven heads and tattoos.
Who do you choose?
If you do not take those young white men aside, you deserve to lose your job. You are obviously a very stupid, very incompetent cop! Even if they just happen to look like Skinheads, they are more likely to belong to that group than the chinese girls.
It's the same with immigration offices and airports. If security is alerted to the possibility that a Muslim extremist operative is trying to slip through, they will be on the lookout for a Young Arab Male. Because history has proven that they are the most likely suspects! To hell with their feelings, this is serious business!
Anyhoo, that was a tad long-winded, but I hope I've made my point. Muslim immigrants should be checked more thoroughly than other groups, because the individuals who mean our country and people harm usually come from that group. Self-defense is not crime, Paradox.
Lets see here, a cleric in toronto can call for death, but a real Canadian has to watch what he say's. Did I miss something?
Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe
So your a real Canadian are you, and what exactly is a real Canadian Gerald24?
Gerald24 said:
So your a real Canadian are you, and what exactly is a real Canadian Gerald24?
Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe
A historically constituted community of people having a common territory, a common language, a common economic life and a common psychological makeup which expresses itself in a common culture.
darkbeaver said:
A historically constituted community of people having a common territory, a common language, a common economic life and a common psychological makeup which expresses itself in a common culture.
My 49 cents:
I support the Europeans. Many here play to this bleeding heart syndrome that we as a Western society have begun to embody. The key to immigration is assimiliation, something that we've never forced upon Muslims. We allow them to exercise their barbaric religions, often at the contradiction to our laws and ways of life. A great example of this is the supression of women and their rights. Why is a muslim family allowed to come to any nation, be it Canada, the States, or Denmark, and be allowed to supress his wife? Is this not against our nations' equal opportunity legislation? Why do we constantly make exceptions for arabs? This cartoon issue is another fabulous example. Some cartoons offend a religious group, a group the authors were not a part of, and we're suppose to feel bad? Where do arabs get off telling me, or a Dane, what we can and cannot draw? Lastly to highlight my support I draw attention to the muslim faith. This is a religion that has been so perverted over the decades that few outside the religion itself have any respect for it. This is a religion that is used to mask terrorist operations, death threats, and afronts to our way of life. How can we honestly be expected to tolerate this at the expense of retaining immigrants? We cannot, nations can only be pushed so far, and I believe the Europeans have reached their breaking point. With the riots in France and now this whole cartoon issue, the European nations simply have taken the shotgun method. Arabs cannot be trusted in their eyes, to assimilate in to society, and are deemed too much of a threat to the stability of nations to be allowed to retain residence. As I said above I support it. If you're not going to become a proactive member of society, get the fuck out. You come to my country and think you can disregard my way of life for your heathen existence that is caught in a time warp? One thing that really burns me is this whole burka thing. I'm not an intolerant person by any means, I respect religions, however I feel that arabs take it way too far. A great example of this is the wearing of burkas in the Army. I have actually seen (at CFB Kingston Ontario) a women wearing a burka in uniform. Well it wasn't a full burka, it was the head scarf stupidity. Regardless, she's allowed to afront 100 years of Canadian Army tradition just because she's a muslim. We do not allow Jews to wear their yamaka (sp?), so why can arabs wear a head scarf? Because we're too afraid to confront them. That's why, and frankly it sickens me. To sum up, i'm 100% behind Europe giving the boot to arabs that don't conform. My response to those that bitch and moan, no one made them immigrate to Europe. If they don't like it they can head back to sandland and build themselves a mudhut. Fershizzle.
I support the Europeans. Many here play to this bleeding heart syndrome that we as a Western society have begun to embody. The key to immigration is assimiliation, something that we've never forced upon Muslims. We allow them to exercise their barbaric religions, often at the contradiction to our laws and ways of life. A great example of this is the supression of women and their rights. Why is a muslim family allowed to come to any nation, be it Canada, the States, or Denmark, and be allowed to supress his wife? Is this not against our nations' equal opportunity legislation? Why do we constantly make exceptions for arabs? This cartoon issue is another fabulous example. Some cartoons offend a religious group, a group the authors were not a part of, and we're suppose to feel bad? Where do arabs get off telling me, or a Dane, what we can and cannot draw? Lastly to highlight my support I draw attention to the muslim faith. This is a religion that has been so perverted over the decades that few outside the religion itself have any respect for it. This is a religion that is used to mask terrorist operations, death threats, and afronts to our way of life. How can we honestly be expected to tolerate this at the expense of retaining immigrants? We cannot, nations can only be pushed so far, and I believe the Europeans have reached their breaking point. With the riots in France and now this whole cartoon issue, the European nations simply have taken the shotgun method. Arabs cannot be trusted in their eyes, to assimilate in to society, and are deemed too much of a threat to the stability of nations to be allowed to retain residence. As I said above I support it. If you're not going to become a proactive member of society, get the fuck out. You come to my country and think you can disregard my way of life for your heathen existence that is caught in a time warp? One thing that really burns me is this whole burka thing. I'm not an intolerant person by any means, I respect religions, however I feel that arabs take it way too far. A great example of this is the wearing of burkas in the Army. I have actually seen (at CFB Kingston Ontario) a women wearing a burka in uniform. Well it wasn't a full burka, it was the head scarf stupidity. Regardless, she's allowed to afront 100 years of Canadian Army tradition just because she's a muslim. We do not allow Jews to wear their yamaka (sp?), so why can arabs wear a head scarf? Because we're too afraid to confront them. That's why, and frankly it sickens me. To sum up, i'm 100% behind Europe giving the boot to arabs that don't conform. My response to those that bitch and moan, no one made them immigrate to Europe. If they don't like it they can head back to sandland and build themselves a mudhut. Fershizzle.
Re: RE: Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe
This is the 2nd or 3rd time this type of question was directed at FiveParadox and he failed to respond. Even liberals such as myself have to recognize pragmatic issues. When you don't have the resources to be thourough checking everyone, you MUST target resources where they are most effective.
I can't stand the political correctness surrounding this issue of common sense. We should have the balls to come out and say so just like the Americans. If you belong to a high risk group you are going to get more attention.
Doryman said:
This is the 2nd or 3rd time this type of question was directed at FiveParadox and he failed to respond. Even liberals such as myself have to recognize pragmatic issues. When you don't have the resources to be thourough checking everyone, you MUST target resources where they are most effective.
I can't stand the political correctness surrounding this issue of common sense. We should have the balls to come out and say so just like the Americans. If you belong to a high risk group you are going to get more attention.
My apologies for "failing to respond." While I enjoy this forum, school is more important.
Nevertheless, I shall respond now; yes, if there is a warrant issued for someone's arrest, then perhaps a higher degree of scrutiny could be understood; however, in this particular situation, where there have been no reports of Muslims committing crimes in Canada in relation to this situation, there should be no reason to increase security domestically.
Nevertheless, I shall respond now; yes, if there is a warrant issued for someone's arrest, then perhaps a higher degree of scrutiny could be understood; however, in this particular situation, where there have been no reports of Muslims committing crimes in Canada in relation to this situation, there should be no reason to increase security domestically.